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OldFan
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2/5/2011  3:28 PM
http://knickerblogger.net/knicks-point-guards-hurting-offensive-efficiency

This article addresses something that I suspected. I like Felton a lot he has a lot of heart. But he shoots too much and he's not an efficient scorer.

We clearly need a better backup PG but our starting PG also has to change his game some.

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2/5/2011  3:41 PM
Ray Felton has some flaws to his game, sure, but this is getting ridiculous. He's the best PG the team has had since Derek Harper. People discuss his flaws like perfect PG grow on trees.

I'm happy with the production we're getting from him. He's the only reason the Knicks were in the game last night.

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2/5/2011  3:42 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:Ray Felton has some flaws to his game, sure, but this is getting ridiculous. He's the best PG the team has had since Derek Harper. People discuss his flaws like perfect PG grow on trees.

I'm happy with the production we're getting from him. He's the only reason the Knicks were in the game last night.

funny to hear guys knocking 1 of the main reasons we're even respectable this year... maybe we should bring Duhon & Sergio back.

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2/5/2011  3:57 PM
maybe the dilenma here with felton is no doubt he is the best we have had since harper...however if he were better or played with a different style/mentality we would be further along as a team...lets be fair he does some really good things for this team grit and toughness but he as the ability to be alot better if he chose to play with a different offensive mindset...never thought he was going to be # 2 when we got him and not seeing by the way the teams plays that is a good thing he thinks he is..better yes right pt guard tomorrow and future debatable next 30 games will tell us alot
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2/5/2011  4:18 PM
I think Felton would be alot better if we were playing him 32 minutes a game rather than 37-38 minutes. Clearly, Douglas is not a pg. We need someone that MDA feels comfortable running the pg position for 15-20 minutes a game. Once we get a backup pg, it will take some of the pressure off of Felton and I think he would return to level he was playing at earlier in the year.
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2/5/2011  4:19 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/5/2011  4:21 PM
OldFan wrote:http://knickerblogger.net/knicks-point-guards-hurting-offensive-efficiency

This article addresses something that I suspected. I like Felton a lot he has a lot of heart. But he shoots too much and he's not an efficient scorer.

We clearly need a better backup PG but our starting PG also has to change his game some.

He played like an all star last night and we still lost. I'm going to say Ray at times has to take a bad shot and he can exacerbate that a bit himself but hes been worth what we paid him and clear cut upgrade.


My belief--we need consistent stable inside play on both ends offense defense and rebounding. We cant start Shawne Williams at PF!

We lack toughness and the way MDA coches--we put the mismatch on the other teams favor. We need more interior force both at C and PF. We need a guy who can come in and grab rebounds--put a strong body on someone and run the floor--like an Antonio Davis or a Charles Oakley type. Mosgov looks like he is going to be fine. Turiaf is not a guy you want to rely on--he is inconsistent and injury prone.


I think what we did last summer--we need to do it again. Go get Carmelo and two 4 year college basketball players with bodies that are strong athletic and play at a high level with the skills they have on both ends.(no 3 pt specialist etc..)--most noticeably for us one interior player one back up PG. My suggestion is Ken Faried in rd 1 and if we can acquire a high 2 Charles jenkins from Hofstra(I like his size at PG) two big physical athletic guys.

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2/5/2011  4:36 PM
Felton was extremely efficient for a while. Recently he's been in a huge slump but last night he shot well.
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2/5/2011  4:57 PM
He's not an elite PG but how many elite PG's are out there? I like him and thinks he's a good fit.
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2/5/2011  5:13 PM
Comes down to what i've been saying.

I like my points to drop dimes, not buckets first. Get a true pointin here not this fugazi marbury.

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2/5/2011  5:15 PM
The line that struck me from that blog questioned whether Felton and Douglas had the right to out shoot the rest of the team considering they're PGs and their lousy shooting pct. Some of it is lousy shooting all around, but I'll bet they would have better luck trying to set up their teammates more often, beats watching one bad shot after another.
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2/5/2011  5:23 PM
I definitely preferred Ridnour over Felton in the offseason, especially considering Amare publicy asked for him, but Felton has been playing very good ALL AROUND ball this season and I think overplaying is beginning to catch up with him along with the fact that TD is masquerading as a PG and continues to be horrendous.

If we do get Melo, I'm worried that it MIGHT have a negative effect on Felton's game because he seems to be a shoot first PG, whereas a guy like Ridnour's game would explode if he was passing to those two

As for right now, I can accept some bad games because he has been much better for the Knicks than expected.

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2/5/2011  6:01 PM
Felton will continue to learn and i think will become much better in this offense over time. We just need another backup PG, but i don't think Felton is a cause for concern. He's a top-10 PG.
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2/5/2011  9:44 PM
Knixkik wrote:Felton will continue to learn and i think will become much better in this offense over time. We just need another backup PG, but i don't think Felton is a cause for concern. He's a top-10 PG.

He's a top 10 pg in the way Marbury was a top 10 pg.

He will continue to learn, true, but his foundation is flawed, so he will learn to get better at doing things the wrong way.

He's not an orchestrator, he's not a true general. His view of the game is burdened by a nagging impulse to 'get his' or that he needs to do it himself.

He's not the type of point guard the Knicks need to take it to the next level and he never will be.

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2/5/2011  9:53 PM
Like I said I like Felton. I just would like him to have a little better shot selection.

I think he's tough I think he can pass.

I just think he's not a good enough scorer to be as aggressive as he shooting the ball. I also in general feel like your PG is the last guy on the team you want trying to do to much. It sets a bad tone for the team.

Overall I think he's been a good PG. Much better then what we've had in recent years. But he'd be more effective if he shot less.

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2/5/2011  10:04 PM
That's really what I mean by a flawed foundation. He works off a mindset that leads him to try to do too much, and it's a terrible example.

He's not a point guard that's secure enough in himself to lead by distributing, he feels he needs to look for his to validate his worth.

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2/5/2011  10:06 PM
i think Ray's shot attempts are elevated by this system & pace we play at... if u look at his stats over his career he's consistently averaged 10-13 shot attempts per game every year before he got to the Knicks... Derrick Rose takes 20 shots per game & he's not even playing in SSOL, i doubt anyone would be complaining if we had a shoot first PG like him running this team... CP3 who everyone considers a pass first PG has had back to back seasons averaging 16 shot attempts a game in his career... u have to see when & how the PG is taking his shot attempts to truly judge if he's doing more harm than good... last night Felton was the only guy who's offensive game was clicking late i think a good PG knows who to get the ball to if someone's hot that particular night... last night it just happened to be Ray in the 2nd half.
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2/5/2011  10:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/5/2011  10:10 PM
It's just that when you're watching Felton play, you get a sense that he's equally as likely to go for a bucket as he is to dish it. When you watch a guy like Nash play, you get the sense that he's about to drop a dime at all times, and only go for a bucket if there is no other choice.

So there's that difference in how he makes you feel, and if it's palpable to a viewing audience I imagine it's much more so to the guys playing with him.

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2/5/2011  10:40 PM
TMS wrote:i think Ray's shot attempts are elevated by this system & pace we play at... if u look at his stats over his career he's consistently averaged 10-13 shot attempts per game every year before he got to the Knicks... Derrick Rose takes 20 shots per game & he's not even playing in SSOL, i doubt anyone would be complaining if we had a shoot first PG like him running this team... CP3 who everyone considers a pass first PG has had back to back seasons averaging 16 shot attempts a game in his career... u have to see when & how the PG is taking his shot attempts to truly judge if he's doing more harm than good... last night Felton was the only guy who's offensive game was clicking late i think a good PG knows who to get the ball to if someone's hot that particular night... last night it just happened to be Ray in the 2nd half.

He's taking more shots then more effective scorers. So he's not consistently getting the ball to the hot hand. Again I do think he's a good PG. I'm just hoping for a small adjustment in his game.

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2/5/2011  10:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/5/2011  10:43 PM
OldFan wrote:
TMS wrote:i think Ray's shot attempts are elevated by this system & pace we play at... if u look at his stats over his career he's consistently averaged 10-13 shot attempts per game every year before he got to the Knicks... Derrick Rose takes 20 shots per game & he's not even playing in SSOL, i doubt anyone would be complaining if we had a shoot first PG like him running this team... CP3 who everyone considers a pass first PG has had back to back seasons averaging 16 shot attempts a game in his career... u have to see when & how the PG is taking his shot attempts to truly judge if he's doing more harm than good... last night Felton was the only guy who's offensive game was clicking late i think a good PG knows who to get the ball to if someone's hot that particular night... last night it just happened to be Ray in the 2nd half.

He's taking more shots then more effective scorers. So he's not consistently getting the ball to the hot hand. Again I do think he's a good PG. I'm just hoping for a small adjustment in his game.

who would u prefer taking those shot attempts instead? Wilson who's currently in a slump of his own & nursing a calf injury? Gallo who's shooting the same % as Felton is from the field? should he force the ball inside to Amare when he's being double & triple teamed down low?

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2/6/2011  2:23 AM
TMS wrote:
OldFan wrote:
TMS wrote:i think Ray's shot attempts are elevated by this system & pace we play at... if u look at his stats over his career he's consistently averaged 10-13 shot attempts per game every year before he got to the Knicks... Derrick Rose takes 20 shots per game & he's not even playing in SSOL, i doubt anyone would be complaining if we had a shoot first PG like him running this team... CP3 who everyone considers a pass first PG has had back to back seasons averaging 16 shot attempts a game in his career... u have to see when & how the PG is taking his shot attempts to truly judge if he's doing more harm than good... last night Felton was the only guy who's offensive game was clicking late i think a good PG knows who to get the ball to if someone's hot that particular night... last night it just happened to be Ray in the 2nd half.

He's taking more shots then more effective scorers. So he's not consistently getting the ball to the hot hand. Again I do think he's a good PG. I'm just hoping for a small adjustment in his game.

who would u prefer taking those shot attempts instead? Wilson who's currently in a slump of his own & nursing a calf injury? Gallo who's shooting the same % as Felton is from the field? should he force the ball inside to Amare when he's being double & triple teamed down low?

This is why good teams need more than one All Star! You add Melo to this mix and all of a sudden teams find it a lot harder to focus on Amar'e and vice versa. It's not rocket science! Felton is good enough if you have a true 2nd All Star. Just ask Rondo how it helps him.

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