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CashMoney
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2/5/2011  10:59 AM
Nene can opt out of his deal this summer like Melo. I've been playing around with this in my head and think that Nene may actually be a beter fit on the Knicks. The guy is averaging 15 points and 7 rebounds per game. He gets his points straight in the paint and he's shooting over 60% from the field and over 70% from the line. He's defense is ok at best but he would give the Knicks a down low presence they need to compliment STAT. What do you all think?
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2/5/2011  11:01 AM
imo no. we need a bitch who can ring 30 in a team's face with regularity when we need it. plus the dude can get 10 boards any time he sets his mind on it.
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2/5/2011  11:55 AM
Marv wrote:imo no. we need a bitch who can ring 30 in a team's face with regularity when we need it. plus the dude can get 10 boards any time he sets his mind on it.

I think Melo might be a better rebounder than Amar'e.

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2/5/2011  12:19 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:
Marv wrote:imo no. we need a bitch who can ring 30 in a team's face with regularity when we need it. plus the dude can get 10 boards any time he sets his mind on it.

I think Melo might be a better rebounder than Amar'e.

What would be interesting is having both Fields and Melo crashing the boards. We might win rebounds on a lot of nights.

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2/5/2011  12:33 PM
No, Melo is more valuable no matter what. Any star regardless of position or need is more valuable than a good role player.
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2/5/2011  12:35 PM
Marv wrote:imo no. we need a bitch who can ring 30 in a team's face with regularity when we need it. plus the dude can get 10 boards any time he sets his mind on it.

Agreed
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2/5/2011  2:55 PM
no
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2/5/2011  3:48 PM
Marv wrote:imo no. we need a bitch who can ring 30 in a team's face with regularity when we need it. plus the dude can get 10 boards any time he sets his mind on it.

Yes sir...bam bam bam!

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2/5/2011  6:00 PM
We won't be able to get a player like Melo again for a long time, and i believe our big man need will be much easier to solve when this whole Melo thing gets resolved. This summer there will be some good options that are free agents and available by trade that are good rebounders and defenders. FAs will be Dalembert, Przybilla and Foster to name a few, and bigs who may be available by trade over the summer are Camby, Varejao, and Kaman. For some reason i keep going back to Dalembert as he provides rebounding, shot blocking, and post defense, and although he's not an offensive threat he runs the floor well and is a solid enough finisher and mid range shooter to not hurt the offense. Point is that we have options here while there is only one Melo, so let's get that taken care of first before we think about other needs.
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2/5/2011  6:53 PM
Yes, I think Nene would help the team more.

Felton
Fields
Gallo
Amare
Nene

is a top team in the East. I'd chase Nene and OJ Mayo - I think it would add just as many wins as adding Melo and cost less asset-wise and make the team more dynamic and a tougher matchup.

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2/5/2011  7:24 PM
Nene had been inconsistent and injury prone throughout his career. This is his 8th year in the league, and he's been searching for his identity for 6-7 of those years. Now that he's "come into his own" he's a 7 RPG guy. Melo out rebounds him from the 3 spot.

I'll go out on a limb here and say Mozgod will be better than him in a year or two.

If I could indulge my fantasy that we can get Melo via FA, this is a lineup I'd like to see next year:

Mozgod
Amare
Melo
Fields
Felton

Bench
Gallo
AR
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2/5/2011  7:27 PM
I think a gun is more valuable than a holster.
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2/5/2011  9:46 PM
AnubisADL wrote:I think a gun is more valuable than a holster.

I think a dollar is more valuable than a quarter.

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2/6/2011  3:36 PM
Melo, Gallo, and Amare is a problem to the opposing teams PF. You put your C against Amare obviously and Amare will kill him. Now you have to decide which the PF will cover. Melo or Gallo. It would not be fair.
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2/6/2011  4:40 PM
FOr the next 5 years we should be able to fill in around Amar'e, Melo & Gallo just fine. It's easier to find a PF/C like Nene or close enough to him. How many Melo's are there in the NBA?
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2/6/2011  6:09 PM
right NOW... yes to Nene. If I wanted to get the Knicks as playoff ready as possible its Nene 100%.

But for the next 3-4 years, which combo would you prefer?
Mosgov/Melo
or
Nene/Chandler

I'm going with Melo and Mos

***IF*** Mosgov turns into a true center.. a 12 point 13 rebound 2block 55% shooting center like I think he can be its not even close, because Melo is so much better.

I have been Melo resistant because I dont think he's worth gutting out good young team for. For me its all about winning a title or trying to. Trading Fields, Chandler, Mosgov and AR for Melo and taking back Harrington or some crap doesnt get us there... but THIS:
PG Felton
SG Melo
SF Gallo
PF Amare
C Mosgov
Thats a HUGE lineup that is equally athletic. You have Fields, who will get 30 minutes a game a the 2/3.

Thats competing for a title. Guys that think you do "anything" for Melo then just "go get" role players like Mos, Gallo, Fields, have their heads in their asses. Those guys are building block players.

I'm getting a bit excited about Melo knowing we wont have to overpay... or hoping we dont anyway

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2/6/2011  8:54 PM
fishmike wrote:right NOW... yes to Nene. If I wanted to get the Knicks as playoff ready as possible its Nene 100%.

But for the next 3-4 years, which combo would you prefer?
Mosgov/Melo
or
Nene/Chandler

I'm going with Melo and Mos

***IF*** Mosgov turns into a true center.. a 12 point 13 rebound 2block 55% shooting center like I think he can be its not even close, because Melo is so much better.

I have been Melo resistant because I dont think he's worth gutting out good young team for. For me its all about winning a title or trying to. Trading Fields, Chandler, Mosgov and AR for Melo and taking back Harrington or some crap doesnt get us there... but THIS:
PG Felton
SG Melo
SF Gallo
PF Amare
C Mosgov
Thats a HUGE lineup that is equally athletic. You have Fields, who will get 30 minutes a game a the 2/3.

Thats competing for a title. Guys that think you do "anything" for Melo then just "go get" role players like Mos, Gallo, Fields, have their heads in their asses. Those guys are building block players.

I'm getting a bit excited about Melo knowing we wont have to overpay... or hoping we dont anyway

You're making the assumption that a Melo trade would be the last move we ever make for the next 3-4 years?

Players of Melo's caliber are rarely if ever put on the market, let alone demanding a trade to NY, and can be had for scraps.

Nene's a good player but all we need at C is a servicable C who can rebound. By 2012, for example, you know Camby will come back to NY for the vet min if he still has any game in him. Dalembert could possibly be had this summer. We could still make further moves for a center with whatever pieces we have remaining, or we can draft a center prospect with our picks, and guys like Hibbert, Ibaka, Perkins, etc. routinely fall in the draft.

We're not getting a player of Melo's caliber with any of those resources (FA signings, trade, draft picks).
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2/6/2011  11:24 PM
What Donnie is attempting to do is historic for this franchise. We all know that a title contender usually has at least 2 All Star level players and basically Melo is as near to Elite as we can get at this point. It also helps not to waste the remaining years Amar'e has by giving him a stud to go to war with.

We don't have to wait on Melo or STAT to learn how to play or win. These guys are ready to go right now! THey can help to guide our young players and push us further even this year.
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