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Is Felton our point guard for The Future?


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orangeblobman
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The Future, a time not today, but the day after today.
Yes, Felton can drop the buckets and dish the rocks for the next 6-8 years
No, Felton is just slightly better than Duhon, we're still searching for a worthy leader
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orangeblobman
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2/3/2011  7:43 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/3/2011  8:59 AM
I think the guy sucks, he really fell off from his perch that he was sitting on, dropping the buckets. I think the early part of the season got to his head and he just can't drop the buckets like that anymore. I just don't know man.

He seems too headstrong and not headwise enough. He's the type of point that will put his head through a brick wall, he won't walk around the wall, through a door. Stubborn, I think. And you can't win a chip with a stubborn leader.

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2/3/2011  8:06 AM
orangeblobman wrote:I think the guy sucks, he really fell off from his perch that he was sitting on, dropping the buckets. I think the early part of the season got to his head and he just can't drop the buckets like that anymore. I just don't know man.

He seems too headstrong and not headwise enough. He's the type of point that will put his head through a brick wall, he won't walk around the wall, through a door. Stubborn, I think. And you can't win a chip with a stubborn leader.

Papabear Says

Stubborn leader? That sounds like Mike D

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2/3/2011  8:21 AM
I wouldn't mind seeing him as a Knick long term, as long as we can get his minutes down a little.
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2/3/2011  8:22 AM
Papabear wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:I think the guy sucks, he really fell off from his perch that he was sitting on, dropping the buckets. I think the early part of the season got to his head and he just can't drop the buckets like that anymore. I just don't know man.

He seems too headstrong and not headwise enough. He's the type of point that will put his head through a brick wall, he won't walk around the wall, through a door. Stubborn, I think. And you can't win a chip with a stubborn leader.

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Stubborn leader? That sounds like Mike D

Haha, I don't know, Mike D dropped the buckets for Phoenix. Felton, this guy, man. He's going through a Duhon-like drop in bucket dropping and taking the Knicks down with him.

Could it be the minutes? Could it be that he was wildly overachieving earlier this year? It's tough to say, but what's certain is that he's not as awesome as we thought he was just a few weeks ago.

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2/3/2011  8:31 AM
you're always rambling about warriors and winning attitudes. Our PG has his flaws but is a leader, plays hurt, is a consummate professional, and a great mentor for the young Knicks. But this makes the guy suck in you estimation? I am terribly confused
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2/3/2011  8:33 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/3/2011  8:40 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:you're always rambling about warriors and winning attitudes. Our PG has his flaws but is a leader, plays hurt, is a consummate professional, and a great mentor for the young Knicks. But this makes the guy suck in you estimation? I am terribly confused

True, so true. I love a warrior attitude, a winning brain. It's true.

But how many more 4-14 nights can we survive as a franchise?

A winning brain has to be backed up by an intelligent process as a foundation, there has to be fresh, clean water flowing under the ground if the stream is going to be good for drinking when it surfaces. It is not enough that the water flows, it has to be quality. No one should drink sludge.

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2/3/2011  8:53 AM
I think he is. He might just be in a shooting slump. He's still a playmaker who plays lockdown defense on most nights. Nothing like Duhon. He hit so many difficult shots and with such consistency that I cant see it as a fluke, but who knows?
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2/3/2011  9:02 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/3/2011  9:02 AM
orangeblobman wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:you're always rambling about warriors and winning attitudes. Our PG has his flaws but is a leader, plays hurt, is a consummate professional, and a great mentor for the young Knicks. But this makes the guy suck in you estimation? I am terribly confused

True, so true. I love a warrior attitude, a winning brain. It's true.

But how many more 4-14 nights can we survive as a franchise?

A winning brain has to be backed up by an intelligent process as a foundation, there has to be fresh, clean water flowing under the ground if the stream is going to be good for drinking when it surfaces. It is not enough that the water flows, it has to be quality. No one should drink sludge.

Let's focus on his positives for a second: best defender on the team, 6th in the NBA in steals and assists. He's making $7.5 million/yr

Him needing to take 14 shots in a game is more of an indictment on the rest of the roster that the Knicks we need to use him to shoot 16 percent of the team's shots.

This team is a work in progress not some engineering problem. People drink treated, distributed water after the system is designed, installed, and meets inspection standards. The Knicks are not even done being designed yet and as much has been admitted by Walsh.

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2/3/2011  9:18 AM
Felton's January #s: 16 PPG, 9 Assists, 1.7 steals. Unfortunately, the FG% was .373 but at least he did a lot of other things well.
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2/3/2011  9:22 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:Felton's January #s: 16 PPG, 9 Assists, 1.7 steals. Unfortunately, the FG% was .373 but at least he did a lot of other things well.

Hey Brandon Jennings is a career 37% shooter who gets 5 assists and all he gets is praise haha
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2/3/2011  9:29 AM
i think Felton has hit a wall. He isn't coming off of picks very fast or even trying to fight over them some times.
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2/3/2011  9:43 AM
Drop the buckets?
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2/3/2011  10:19 AM
Felton doesn't look to distribute. Numbers don't tell the whole story. When he comes up the court he's either looking to get to the rim for a high degree of difficutly shot or he's looking to dump it to Amar'e. That was masked when his J was on fire. He hasn't been a good PG for well over a month. I like his attitude but like someone else said, his defense and ball distribution have been subpar.
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2/3/2011  10:22 AM
He needs a backup or he will break down.

I think he CAN be... but glad we will have cap flexibility in 2012 to entertain the possibility of CP3 or Deron.

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2/3/2011  10:28 AM
I see Felton getting assists when he dumps the ball off to someone after he crosses the halfcourt line but I don't see him driving and dishing as much as before. I don't see the P&R working consistently. I see Felton using his dribble to break down his defender, but its usually when he's looking for his own shot.

I wouldn't say he is in Duhon territory, but he clearly isn't playing like he did during that streak when he looked like a real floor general. I hope he can turn it around. I'm sure his numbers will improve but I'm not so sure he is the answer. The real test will be if the Knicks get to the playoffs. Ray needs to show that he can take it to the next level.

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2/3/2011  10:34 AM
The guy is a little bit banged up (from what I understand his wrist and ankles are tweaked) - but he still comes out to play... and for the most part, he's still very productive. The Gallo injury hurt overall team spacing and chemistry, so that needs to be factored in as well. In spite of # production from Shawne Williams, teams aren't out there changing their defensive strategy to stop him.

Outside Rose, Deron, and Westbrook, I don't think he's that different from the others in that second level. I don't consider CP3 (at least this year) as awesome as he has been in the past... Felton is pretty close.

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2/3/2011  10:37 AM
I saw only some parts of Felton's post game interview last night so this might be out of context but somebody asked him about Gallo and his reply was..."Well, I can't shoot it for him". Hmmm...not a quote I want to hear from my PG.
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2/3/2011  10:40 AM
MSG3 wrote:Felton doesn't look to distribute. Numbers don't tell the whole story. When he comes up the court he's either looking to get to the rim for a high degree of difficutly shot or he's looking to dump it to Amar'e. That was masked when his J was on fire. He hasn't been a good PG for well over a month. I like his attitude but like someone else said, his defense and ball distribution have been subpar.
agree 100 percent when we struggled at 3-8 he was a big part of problem not a pure passer thinks shot first....most his assists go to amare any competent guard to do that.doesnt drive and kick enough and create for others off his dribble.if we get melo i really question his ability and mindset to distribute ball to both of them...yes he plays tough d and has been upgrade over duhon but not our long term answer
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2/3/2011  10:44 AM
abs wrote:i dont see gallo passing on that many shots i do see many offensive sets where gallo doesnt touch ball based on our pt guard not getting ball to him
MSG3 wrote:Felton doesn't look to distribute. Numbers don't tell the whole story. When he comes up the court he's either looking to get to the rim for a high degree of difficutly shot or he's looking to dump it to Amar'e. That was masked when his J was on fire. He hasn't been a good PG for well over a month. I like his attitude but like someone else said, his defense and ball distribution have been subpar.
agree 100 percent when we struggled at 3-8 he was a big part of problem not a pure passer thinks shot first....most his assists go to amare any competent guard to do that.doesnt drive and kick enough and create for others off his dribble.if we get melo i really question his ability and mindset to distribute ball to both of them...yes he plays tough d and has been upgrade over duhon but not our long term answer
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2/3/2011  10:49 AM
The team needs to adapt. We don't have many dynamic players. Lots of good perimeter players. Teams have addapted and it's lke they have four guys playing the arc and one in the middle. Teams are playing the initial passing lanes well and Felton's instruction is to take the best option available immediate. It's usually his shot. Unfortunately he's hurt and no one is really playing the post only Amar'e is playing the mid-range. Felton could od better but it's not all on him
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