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2/2/2011  12:05 PM
Mr. Gallinari currently makes 0.36 free throws for every one of his possessions—good for second-best in the league. Using this statistic, a player is credited with a possession when the play ends with him either shooting the ball, turning it over or getting to the free-throw line. Mr. Gallinari's rate is exceeded only by Dallas's Tyson Chandler among the 150 players who average at least 25 minutes per game. Mr. Chandler and many others near the top in this statistical ranking play almost exclusively in the paint, where fouls are more frequent. Incredibly, according to play-by-play data at 82games.com, a team-high 84% of Mr. Gallinari's shots are jumpers. Therefore, Mr. Gallinari seems to draw an inordinate number of fouls for a player who rarely goes to the basket.

Mr. Gallinari easily tops the Knicks in free throws made per possession. Amar'e Stoudemire is 30th best in the league (0.24 free throws made per possession), and no other Knicks player is in the top 95. While Mr. Gallinari rarely misses from the line (87.8%), he's also sixth best in the NBA if we sort by free-throw attempts per possession.

Drawing fouls at an elite rate can limit the playing time of opposing starters and create penalty situations where all Knicks get to shoot free throws when they otherwise would not. The mystery is why don't the Knicks opt to have the ball end in Mr. Gallinari's hands more frequently? Currently, he only ranks fourth on the team in overall possessions.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703439504576116522324991818.html?mod=googlenews_wsj


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2/2/2011  12:12 PM
i agree, he's also got to want the ball more. against the hawks he never called for it and would just run to the corner and watch amare. he needs to man up and say "throw me the damn ball and get out of the way." he can take it strong to the hoop, he's a real tough matchup, and the games that he wants to get to the line he does. its just a matter of desire. i hope the coaches and the vets (stat/felton) encourage him to demand the ball. its very un-euro.

also, why does the stat credit a possession when the play ends with him shooting the ball, getting to the line, or turning it over? does the TO detract from the stat?

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2/2/2011  12:24 PM
people can say what they want about gallo, but the fact remains that when gallo does well, the knicks as a team do well. i feel like every game i watch on tv, there is some stat that is displayed where this is pointed out. that would tell me he's a keeper for this team to continue to excel. i think over the last couple of games, most evident since returing from his knee injury, something clicked inside his head and he's now taking it to the basket more and more rather than settling for the jumper....progress is being made by gallo....and he'll continue to show progress w more opportunity.

i think this also means that if it were btwn gallo and wil to get melo here, wil is the one that goes.

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jimimou wrote:people can say what they want about gallo, but the fact remains that when gallo does well, the knicks as a team do well. i feel like every game i watch on tv, there is some stat that is displayed where this is pointed out. that would tell me he's a keeper for this team to continue to excel. i think over the last couple of games, most evident since returing from his knee injury, something clicked inside his head and he's now taking it to the basket more and more rather than settling for the jumper....progress is being made by gallo....and he'll continue to show progress w more opportunity.

i think this also means that if it were btwn gallo and wil to get melo here, wil is the one that goes.

I think it was a matter of confidence and trusting himself. We all knew he could take it to the hoop and he had ball handling skills and good footwork. At least most of us thought like this. There must have been a particular game (Like the one he hurt himself) where he was taking it to the hoop a few times and he completely realized "I cannot be guarded and I can go anywhere on the court that I want". In fact, it completely makes the most sense that it would be that Indiana game because he was very aggresive and he must have cherished that as he was sitting on the bench, injured.

The guy totally has to rev up the engines on the rebounding though. He's entering the Tim Thomas zone when it comes to that.

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2/2/2011  1:39 PM
Gallo is just getting better and better. He's really making strides this year. He's become the most consistent Knick after Amare and Ray. He definitely needs more touches.
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2/2/2011  2:31 PM
I'll put this post in both of the Gallo threads:

Since coming back from injury, 42% of Gallos shots have come from 3 point land. His season percentage is 47% and last year it was about 52 or 53%. One of those two. He has taken almost 7 free throws a game since coming back. He's been shooting 45% from the field as well. That could go up, obviously, but it's been a much bigger improvement. Plus his defense has been good.

Nothing to complain about him..... besides his rebounding.

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s3231 wrote:
Mr. Gallinari currently makes 0.36 free throws for every one of his possessions—good for second-best in the league. Using this statistic, a player is credited with a possession when the play ends with him either shooting the ball, turning it over or getting to the free-throw line. Mr. Gallinari's rate is exceeded only by Dallas's Tyson Chandler among the 150 players who average at least 25 minutes per game. Mr. Chandler and many others near the top in this statistical ranking play almost exclusively in the paint, where fouls are more frequent. Incredibly, according to play-by-play data at 82games.com, a team-high 84% of Mr. Gallinari's shots are jumpers. Therefore, Mr. Gallinari seems to draw an inordinate number of fouls for a player who rarely goes to the basket.

Mr. Gallinari easily tops the Knicks in free throws made per possession. Amar'e Stoudemire is 30th best in the league (0.24 free throws made per possession), and no other Knicks player is in the top 95. While Mr. Gallinari rarely misses from the line (87.8%), he's also sixth best in the NBA if we sort by free-throw attempts per possession.

Drawing fouls at an elite rate can limit the playing time of opposing starters and create penalty situations where all Knicks get to shoot free throws when they otherwise would not. The mystery is why don't the Knicks opt to have the ball end in Mr. Gallinari's hands more frequently? Currently, he only ranks fourth on the team in overall possessions.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703439504576116522324991818.html?mod=googlenews_wsj


The more we feed Gallo the ball, the better chance we have of watching our Italian Stallion develop into the weapon we've dreamed of.


Exactly

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2/2/2011  2:43 PM
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jimimou wrote:people can say what they want about gallo, but the fact remains that when gallo does well, the knicks as a team do well. i feel like every game i watch on tv, there is some stat that is displayed where this is pointed out. that would tell me he's a keeper for this team to continue to excel. i think over the last couple of games, most evident since returing from his knee injury, something clicked inside his head and he's now taking it to the basket more and more rather than settling for the jumper....progress is being made by gallo....and he'll continue to show progress w more opportunity.

i think this also means that if it were btwn gallo and wil to get melo here, wil is the one that goes.

I think it was a matter of confidence and trusting himself. We all knew he could take it to the hoop and he had ball handling skills and good footwork. At least most of us thought like this. There must have been a particular game (Like the one he hurt himself) where he was taking it to the hoop a few times and he completely realized "I cannot be guarded and I can go anywhere on the court that I want". In fact, it completely makes the most sense that it would be that Indiana game because he was very aggresive and he must have cherished that as he was sitting on the bench, injured.

The guy totally has to rev up the engines on the rebounding though. He's entering the Tim Thomas zone when it comes to that.

Gallo plays and guards the perimeter so his rebounding is effected

Last year he showed that he can grab 10 rebounds in a game if we play his in front court but we have Amare there

Gallo getting 5.5 as a SF is alot better then Amare grabbing 8 @ PF IMHO

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umynot wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
jimimou wrote:people can say what they want about gallo, but the fact remains that when gallo does well, the knicks as a team do well. i feel like every game i watch on tv, there is some stat that is displayed where this is pointed out. that would tell me he's a keeper for this team to continue to excel. i think over the last couple of games, most evident since returing from his knee injury, something clicked inside his head and he's now taking it to the basket more and more rather than settling for the jumper....progress is being made by gallo....and he'll continue to show progress w more opportunity.

i think this also means that if it were btwn gallo and wil to get melo here, wil is the one that goes.

I think it was a matter of confidence and trusting himself. We all knew he could take it to the hoop and he had ball handling skills and good footwork. At least most of us thought like this. There must have been a particular game (Like the one he hurt himself) where he was taking it to the hoop a few times and he completely realized "I cannot be guarded and I can go anywhere on the court that I want". In fact, it completely makes the most sense that it would be that Indiana game because he was very aggresive and he must have cherished that as he was sitting on the bench, injured.

The guy totally has to rev up the engines on the rebounding though. He's entering the Tim Thomas zone when it comes to that.

Gallo plays and guards the perimeter so his rebounding is effected

Last year he showed that he can grab 10 rebounds in a game if we play his in front court but we have Amare there

Gallo getting 5.5 as a SF is alot better then Amare grabbing 8 @ PF IMHO

Gallo getting 4.4 a game this year.

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jimimou wrote:people can say what they want about gallo, but the fact remains that when gallo does well, the knicks as a team do well. i feel like every game i watch on tv, there is some stat that is displayed where this is pointed out. that would tell me he's a keeper for this team to continue to excel. i think over the last couple of games, most evident since returing from his knee injury, something clicked inside his head and he's now taking it to the basket more and more rather than settling for the jumper....progress is being made by gallo....and he'll continue to show progress w more opportunity.

i think this also means that if it were btwn gallo and wil to get melo here, wil is the one that goes.

Michael Beasley is averaging 20 ppg with better FG%'s than Gallo as the primary scoring option and Minnesota is at the bottom of the west.

Gallo's stats are good but Amare is the primary reason we are winning games. Only person who is keeper on this team is Amare.

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2/2/2011  3:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/2/2011  3:09 PM
jimimou wrote:people can say what they want about gallo, but the fact remains that when gallo does well, the knicks as a team do well. i feel like every game i watch on tv, there is some stat that is displayed where this is pointed out. that would tell me he's a keeper for this team to continue to excel. i think over the last couple of games, most evident since returing from his knee injury, something clicked inside his head and he's now taking it to the basket more and more rather than settling for the jumper....progress is being made by gallo....and he'll continue to show progress w more opportunity.

i think this also means that if it were btwn gallo and wil to get melo here, wil is the one that goes.

I agree with this. I will say though that the same thing was said about Jamal Crawford. I'll be patient and see if he can mitigate the game to game volatility--be consistenet--but my fear is that he has one great game followed by a few stinkers.

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jimimou wrote:people can say what they want about gallo, but the fact remains that when gallo does well, the knicks as a team do well. i feel like every game i watch on tv, there is some stat that is displayed where this is pointed out. that would tell me he's a keeper for this team to continue to excel. i think over the last couple of games, most evident since returing from his knee injury, something clicked inside his head and he's now taking it to the basket more and more rather than settling for the jumper....progress is being made by gallo....and he'll continue to show progress w more opportunity.

i think this also means that if it were btwn gallo and wil to get melo here, wil is the one that goes.

I agree with this. I will say though that the same thing was said about Jamal Crawford. I'll be patient and see if he can mitigate the game to game volatility--be consistenet--but my fear is that he has one great game followed by a few stinkers.

at 22 yrs old, that's to be expected. he is making progress and that's all you can ask for right now. key for him is to keep adding to his game (mid range j would be IDEAL as a next step). by season 4-5, he should solidify his offense then begin to maximize on his spacing so that he can grab a few more boards. i think those few additions will help his game alot and also help the team win.

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2/2/2011  3:18 PM
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jimimou wrote:people can say what they want about gallo, but the fact remains that when gallo does well, the knicks as a team do well. i feel like every game i watch on tv, there is some stat that is displayed where this is pointed out. that would tell me he's a keeper for this team to continue to excel. i think over the last couple of games, most evident since returing from his knee injury, something clicked inside his head and he's now taking it to the basket more and more rather than settling for the jumper....progress is being made by gallo....and he'll continue to show progress w more opportunity.

i think this also means that if it were btwn gallo and wil to get melo here, wil is the one that goes.

Michael Beasley is averaging 20 ppg with better FG%'s than Gallo as the primary scoring option and Minnesota is at the bottom of the west.

Gallo's stats are good but Amare is the primary reason we are winning games. Only person who is keeper on this team is Amare.

if amare isnt here, the knicks dont sniff 30 wins this year, but thats besides the point. i'm talking about gallo's contirbutions and how they help the team win. its ok for amare to be the catalyst, he makes it easier for the other guys to get their games going because he instills confidence in the team. im with that, buthe's not the sole reason the team wins games and you know that.

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2/2/2011  3:21 PM
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SupremeCommander wrote:
jimimou wrote:people can say what they want about gallo, but the fact remains that when gallo does well, the knicks as a team do well. i feel like every game i watch on tv, there is some stat that is displayed where this is pointed out. that would tell me he's a keeper for this team to continue to excel. i think over the last couple of games, most evident since returing from his knee injury, something clicked inside his head and he's now taking it to the basket more and more rather than settling for the jumper....progress is being made by gallo....and he'll continue to show progress w more opportunity.

i think this also means that if it were btwn gallo and wil to get melo here, wil is the one that goes.

I agree with this. I will say though that the same thing was said about Jamal Crawford. I'll be patient and see if he can mitigate the game to game volatility--be consistenet--but my fear is that he has one great game followed by a few stinkers.

at 22 yrs old, that's to be expected. he is making progress and that's all you can ask for right now. key for him is to keep adding to his game (mid range j would be IDEAL as a next step). by season 4-5, he should solidify his offense then begin to maximize on his spacing so that he can grab a few more boards. i think those few additions will help his game alot and also help the team win.

right. What's interesting on this board is his detractors and supporters are so damned loud. I don't think he's great yet nor do I think he sucks. What I'm focussed on is, like you siad, those 4th and 5th years. If he can be consistent and develop into an 18/7 player that has a shot at 50% / 40% / 90% shooting, I will take that. I would have taken that draft night. Everyone would have. But he has a lot of work to do in upping his FG% and his rebounding. But there is a shot.

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2/2/2011  3:23 PM
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jimimou wrote:people can say what they want about gallo, but the fact remains that when gallo does well, the knicks as a team do well. i feel like every game i watch on tv, there is some stat that is displayed where this is pointed out. that would tell me he's a keeper for this team to continue to excel. i think over the last couple of games, most evident since returing from his knee injury, something clicked inside his head and he's now taking it to the basket more and more rather than settling for the jumper....progress is being made by gallo....and he'll continue to show progress w more opportunity.

i think this also means that if it were btwn gallo and wil to get melo here, wil is the one that goes.

Michael Beasley is averaging 20 ppg with better FG%'s than Gallo as the primary scoring option and Minnesota is at the bottom of the west.

Gallo's stats are good but Amare is the primary reason we are winning games. Only person who is keeper on this team is Amare.

any argument that uses Michael " IQ=10" beasley as the backbone of its defense, loses from the start... really, there is a real reason why no team may ever win that is led by beasley, regardless of what his stats say..

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2/2/2011  3:31 PM
Gallo is showing why it was right to draft him over better known talent. I keep waffling between being ok with including Gallo in a trade for Melo' and waiting till the summer but the way things are turning out it looks like waiting is a better idea.
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2/2/2011  3:34 PM
18/7 would be just fine for gallo. boarderline allstar, key contributor, 3rd scoring option. i do believe that melo will be a knick sometime in the near future and i cld see the scoring go something like this:

melo - 26-28/night
amare - 22-24/night
gallo - 16-19/night


right now felton and amare HAVE to carry the scoring load, but i dont think it's ideal for longterm success, rather a necessity for the shortterm so that the team keeps winning more than losing this year. melo will ease the scoring for both of them, leading to an additional 3 or so assists for ray a night. i dont want my pg scoring 20 a night, i want him dishing out 10-13 assists per night which is totally doable if you have melo and amare carrying the load w gallo remaining as consistent as he has been the last 20 or so games.

then you're x factors kick in to give you the remainder of the scoring you need to uphold mda's offense. who will they be though? fields? moz? williams? walker? some will probably have to go in order for melo to get here i assume.

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2/2/2011  3:37 PM
This is how I am evaluating Gallo's development:

- can he develop a dynamic mid-range game?
- will I have a heart attack if I see he grabbed 10 rebounds against a team like the Lakers?

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tkf wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
jimimou wrote:people can say what they want about gallo, but the fact remains that when gallo does well, the knicks as a team do well. i feel like every game i watch on tv, there is some stat that is displayed where this is pointed out. that would tell me he's a keeper for this team to continue to excel. i think over the last couple of games, most evident since returing from his knee injury, something clicked inside his head and he's now taking it to the basket more and more rather than settling for the jumper....progress is being made by gallo....and he'll continue to show progress w more opportunity.

i think this also means that if it were btwn gallo and wil to get melo here, wil is the one that goes.

Michael Beasley is averaging 20 ppg with better FG%'s than Gallo as the primary scoring option and Minnesota is at the bottom of the west.

Gallo's stats are good but Amare is the primary reason we are winning games. Only person who is keeper on this team is Amare.

any argument that uses Michael " IQ=10" beasley as the backbone of its defense, loses from the start... really, there is a real reason why no team may ever win that is led by beasley, regardless of what his stats say..

Seems Beasley is smart enough to put up better stats across the board than Gallo with better percentages while averaging the same amount of minutes.

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2/2/2011  3:41 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:This is how I am evaluating Gallo's development:

- can he develop a dynamic mid-range game?
- will I have a heart attack if I see he grabbed 10 rebounds against a team like the Lakers?


i hear ye but im not so worried about him rebounding so much more. we'll get that other big to help w the bounding and melo will help with that also. mid range for gallo is key. he needs to add some more moves to his repetoire b/c if he does continue to develop, there will be a time when he will be double teamed and he'll need to figure out how to deal with that.

Good article on Gallo/Free Throws (Wall Street Journal)

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