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Travla
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1/31/2011  10:25 PM
Sure there are the "starters", then the bench but is it just about minutes? It also goes to matchups. Whenever we play a team with size, especially size that can score, you have to matchup for at least part of the game. Teams only adjust to you if you're controlling the game. We're trying to figure out who's in or out of the rotation, I say it's about using players when necessary. Moz, Turiaf and AR should play center for defensive purposes, I don't care who gets the most minutes, just give us length, rebounding and shotblocking. Amare, Gallo, and Chandler are gonna get theirs, Fields will do it with hustle, along with Felton. You use the bench for resting your starters, filling in for injuries as so on. Walker and Williams are for instant offense, if their on, good and if not, they hustle and play defense while on the floor. TD should be shutdown for a while to give his shoulder a rest. I'd like to see what Rautins can do, he's supposed to be a good shooter and defender. I'm saying use what you have, not just by minutes but by what that player can provide. I understand that it's about winning NOW but Amare, Chandler and Felton all need to play less minutes or there won't be anything left in the tank when they do make the playoffs....they already have nagging injuries. There's no rule that says you can never go beyond a 8/9 man rotation every now and then.
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1/31/2011  11:08 PM
100% agreed... certain games will dictate certain matchups, we shouldn't be married to any set run of any set amount of minutes for each individual player... in games where we're getting outmuscled down low MDA should be open to using a bigger lineup for extended run... in games where we're getting killed on the perimeter he can go to a smaller lineup... we have plenty of depth on the roster i don't understand why we should limit ourselves to only using the same 8 or 9 guys on a nightly basis.
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1/31/2011  11:41 PM
TMS wrote:100% agreed... certain games will dictate certain matchups, we shouldn't be married to any set run of any set amount of minutes for each individual player... in games where we're getting outmuscled down low MDA should be open to using a bigger lineup for extended run... in games where we're getting killed on the perimeter he can go to a smaller lineup... we have plenty of depth on the roster i don't understand why we should limit ourselves to only using the same 8 or 9 guys on a nightly basis.

No one really does that, The 9 guy's you go with should be versitle enough to adapt to the pace, you should be able to mix it up with those 9 guys..I see no reason to play 10 guy's unless there's a significant mis match/FT, and we all know, MDA is alway going to want the opposition to match up against him.

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2/1/2011  12:54 AM
MDA had a good run in PHX going with short rotations and his teams 2x advanced to the final round. You can't get that far if you have a burned out team. I think due to the talent we have, a reasonable 9 man rotation can be expected and you stretch to 10 when necessary. As we progress I think Mike had every intention to extend the rotation and give more rest to Amar'e and Felton.

What I like is that he hasn't given up on developing his other players as was assumed. They've been working with AR and Timo and I can assume they're doing the same with Rautins. I AR and Timo keep showing improvement then I suspect they'll play especially when we have back to backs and really busy schedules. Mike just believes in making sure that the minutes are good and not just throwing guys out there that can't get it done. All that does is lose leads and put more pressure on the starters. if AR and Timo play well then it makes all the sense in the world to play them and give our other guys more of a break.
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2/1/2011  6:29 AM
Burning out is a myth. Steve Nash, at 36 years of life, is still running at an All-Star level in Phoenix, this after half a decade of Coach Mike 'burning him out'. So that's your number one example for the fallacy of the MDA burnout.

Going on a bit, Felton is averaging just one more minute per game than he did two seasons ago with the Bobcats, a year in which he played all 82 games.

These guys, they're NBA ballers, elite athletes. If MDA were playing them 48 minutes every night, then I can see a burnout, but he's not.

Is good, bro.

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2/1/2011  6:42 AM
orangeblobman wrote:Burning out is a myth. Steve Nash, at 36 years of life, is still running at an All-Star level in Phoenix, this after half a decade of Coach Mike 'burning him out'. So that's your number one example for the fallacy of the MDA burnout.

Going on a bit, Felton is averaging just one more minute per game than he did two seasons ago with the Bobcats, a year in which he played all 82 games.

These guys, they're NBA ballers, elite athletes. If MDA were playing them 48 minutes every night, then I can see a burnout, but he's not.

Is good, bro.

Good call.

You gotta think MDA's shorter practices help guys playing big minutes, get rest.

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2/1/2011  6:49 AM
orangeblobman wrote:Burning out is a myth. Steve Nash, at 36 years of life, is still running at an All-Star level in Phoenix, this after half a decade of Coach Mike 'burning him out'. So that's your number one example for the fallacy of the MDA burnout.

Going on a bit, Felton is averaging just one more minute per game than he did two seasons ago with the Bobcats, a year in which he played all 82 games.

These guys, they're NBA ballers, elite athletes. If MDA were playing them 48 minutes every night, then I can see a burnout, but he's not.

Is good, bro.

Yeah, but Felton shot the ball like crap two seasons ago. He had the best shooting year of his career last year when he played he played near five minutes per game less. Plus, Nash never had to play 38+ minutes a game under like Felton has this season.

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2/1/2011  7:03 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/1/2011  7:03 AM
gr33d wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:Burning out is a myth. Steve Nash, at 36 years of life, is still running at an All-Star level in Phoenix, this after half a decade of Coach Mike 'burning him out'. So that's your number one example for the fallacy of the MDA burnout.

Going on a bit, Felton is averaging just one more minute per game than he did two seasons ago with the Bobcats, a year in which he played all 82 games.

These guys, they're NBA ballers, elite athletes. If MDA were playing them 48 minutes every night, then I can see a burnout, but he's not.

Is good, bro.

Good call.

You gotta think MDA's shorter practices help guys playing big minutes, get rest.

True, man.

If the Knicks get a back up point by the deadline, which I am optimistic they will, then really Felton will have played only half a season at extended minutes and should be playing much less by playoffs time.

So it's really not a problem right now either way you cut it.

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