Vmart wrote:Remember USFL.

Papabear Says

Yes I do remember the USFL but I'm talking about the ABA. If Sterns give the players a take it or leave it situation they may just leave it. The NBA is talking like if you are making 20 million a year you will now be making 12 million. If the top 20 players left the NBA the NBA is dead.

NYKBocker wrote:Then hire the XFL Cheerleaders!!

^ lmao!!! classic

Few owners want to "stick it" to the players. They just don't want to get "Stuck" with garbage contracts like Eddy.

Players that star should be paid. Players that sign and stop producing should be paid but you can't kill franchise for years with bad deals.

Owners are in part to blame but whose to say a player like Eddy, Marbury or Baron Davis just stops trying? Does not come into shape?

I like the way the NFL does it. Pay a guy upfront a big bonus and spread it over the lifetime of a contract. If after a guarantee period the players is no longer desireable the player can be cut or renegotiated. If the team wants to not pay but another one does he has the choice to go. If he wants to stay at a reduced rate it can be done. This way a team does not have to wait years to get out of it. Eddy played 10 games in 3 years! Cuttino's contract was a waste, Marbury, Penny, etc....>These guys just become cap fodder doing nothing for anyone.

In a way they get paid upfront and the discount equates to a form of buy out. They got most of the money. Nobody gets screwed royally.

Like wise teams should be required to spend a minimum on salary to put a good product on the floor.

This way everyone gets paid. Stars will always get the money but its the mid level player who gets screwed. lets keep younger players and the best players on the floor and not squeezed out cuz of tired contracts.

I want whats best to keep the best product on the floor! Owners need to make money and are entitled to. If players are willing to take on more risk then they should also take on more profit. But players want the money they have to put something on the table.

Killa4luv wrote:

Nalod wrote:The reality is usually a compromise.

Few owners want to "stick it" to the players. They just don't want to get "Stuck" with garbage contracts like Eddy.

Players that star should be paid. Players that sign and stop producing should be paid but you can't kill franchise for years with bad deals.

Owners are in part to blame but whose to say a player like Eddy, Marbury or Baron Davis just stops trying? Does not come into shape?

I like the way the NFL does it. Pay a guy upfront a big bonus and spread it over the lifetime of a contract. If after a guarantee period the players is no longer desireable the player can be cut or renegotiated. If the team wants to not pay but another one does he has the choice to go. If he wants to stay at a reduced rate it can be done. This way a team does not have to wait years to get out of it. Eddy played 10 games in 3 years! Cuttino's contract was a waste, Marbury, Penny, etc....>These guys just become cap fodder doing nothing for anyone.

In a way they get paid upfront and the discount equates to a form of buy out. They got most of the money. Nobody gets screwed royally.

Like wise teams should be required to spend a minimum on salary to put a good product on the floor.

This way everyone gets paid. Stars will always get the money but its the mid level player who gets screwed. lets keep younger players and the best players on the floor and not squeezed out cuz of tired contracts.

I want whats best to keep the best product on the floor! Owners need to make money and are entitled to. If players are willing to take on more risk then they should also take on more profit. But players want the money they have to put something on the table.

Football is a terrible example because those players literally risk their lives and they are way underpaid for the risk, except for the stars. Owners have too much power in the NFL imo.

Having said that, shorter contracts would go a long way towards addressing the Eddy Curry's of the world.
Coming in shape should be a mandatory part of all of the contracts.

Incentive laden contracts are not necessarily the way to go because then you get more selfish play from guys who have to average x amount of points to get their money.

I do like the idea of players being able to be cut and/or renegotiated.

My understanding is that baseball players have the strongest union, anyone know how their contracts are structured.

Im not talking about dollar amounts. That is and should be a % of revenue.

Nobody puts a gun to NFL player and makes him risk his life. If that was more relevant the Military SHOULD be paying much higher salaries. Those guys risk and lose their lives!

THe laws of supply and demand dictate the NFL salary structure as much as any other business. You in demand you get the bucks!

Baseball has a minimum teams have to spend. Keeps small market teams from just collecting the Tax money the yankees and a small handful pay.

BlueSeats wrote:I don't begrudge anyone making a nice living but I'd really like to see a system that's more fair to the fans. Seats I'd consider decent but below average at MSG (say, 300's section in the corner) run ~$100 a pop. For a family of 4 with transportation/parking, some sammies and a beer for da wife you're easily over $500. That's a chunk of cheddar to watch a team with a 50% chance of winning. Phooey.

if you only take your mistress it's a lot less

martin wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:I don't begrudge anyone making a nice living but I'd really like to see a system that's more fair to the fans. Seats I'd consider decent but below average at MSG (say, 300's section in the corner) run ~$100 a pop. For a family of 4 with transportation/parking, some sammies and a beer for da wife you're easily over $500. That's a chunk of cheddar to watch a team with a 50% chance of winning. Phooey.

if you only take your mistress it's a lot less

Yeah but then you gotta buy the better seats, so it evens out.

BlueSeats wrote:I don't begrudge anyone making a nice living but I'd really like to see a system that's more fair to the fans. Seats I'd consider decent but below average at MSG (say, 300's section in the corner) run ~$100 a pop. For a family of 4 with transportation/parking, some sammies and a beer for da wife you're easily over $500. That's a chunk of cheddar to watch a team with a 50% chance of winning. Phooey.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think this is a NY thing only. Tickets for good teams in other cities probably don't cost nearly as much.