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Nalod
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1/25/2011  7:57 AM
Little Ricky got some interesting choices to make this year:


January 22, 2011
He’s 20. Is Rubio’s Fine Future in the Past?
By JONATHAN GIVONY
Rarely would a 20-year-old basketball player be considered over the hill.

But Ricky Rubio set the bar high for himself with his precocious play. Along the way, he has won championships at every level. Rubio made his professional debut at 14 with DKV Joventut in the ACB league of Spain, mesmerizing spectators with his creativity and basketball acumen.

In 2009, the Minnesota Timberwolves selected him fifth over all in the N.B.A. draft. He elected to stay in Spain, moving across town to F.C. Barcelona, one of the most prominent basketball teams in Europe.

The team won a Euroleague title last season with Rubio playing a somewhat secondary role. For much of the decisive action of the Euroleague Final Four, he watched from the bench. Rubio was just a rookie at this level, and people said he still had a lot to learn.

Last summer, Rubio had a golden opportunity to showcase himself as the future of Spanish basketball, playing for the national team in the world championships in Turkey. With Toronto Raptors point guard Jose Calderon out with an injury and Pau Gasol electing to stay home after winning an N.B.A. title with the Los Angeles Lakers, this was Rubio’s ship to steer.

Instead, Rubio struggled. He shot 28 percent from the field, including 2 of 17 from 3-point range, and averaged 4 points in 25 minutes over nine games. Spain, the defending champion, lost in the quarterfinals. For the first time, cracks began to appear in the Rubio hype machine.

“I didn’t feel good last summer,” Rubio said last month in a postgame interview in Vilnius, Lithuania. “I was nervous. That was the first time I didn’t play well. It was an experience for me. It helped me to learn, to appreciate when things go well that you’re doing the good stuff; when things go wrong, you have to learn, to practice more, to improve more.”

Though 28 games in the 2010-11 season, Rubio has continued to struggle. He is shooting just 32 percent from the field, including 11 of 61 from beyond the arc, and his team has lost more games in the ACB and in the Euroleague than it did all of last season.

Why has Rubio’s development stalled?

Will he be able to turn his potential into production?

Always the youngest pro player on the court, Rubio found it natural to act as a selfless distributor and to defer to those with seniority. That is a defining characteristic of European basketball, particularly in Spain, where it is considered disrespectful for an individual to put himself above the team. Most Valuable Player awards are for the American leagues. All that matters are wins and losses.

That mind-set was a big part of Rubio’s upbringing and could be a major reason he is having a hard time taking the reins for Barcelona. The concept of team has been so ingrained that he appears hesitant to put his teammates on his back.

Among all the magical passes, the biggest complaint about Rubio’s game is that he is too unselfish for his own good.

“I try to help the team,” Rubio said. “It doesn’t matter if you have to score 50 points or zero. If I help the team, I don’t think of my stats.”

The best boon to his development might be to play in the N.B.A., where the best point guards are not only great passers but are also able to carry a team with their scoring. In the more-wide-open N.B.A. style, Rubio could flourish.

The Timberwolves continue to push him toward the N.B.A. as soon as possible, contending privately that they have a commitment from him for next season. But Rubio’s camp does not appear to be convinced.

“The bottom line is, why would he want to play in Minnesota?” a senior member of Rubio’s camp said this month. “He’ll continue to say all the diplomatic things, and Minnesota needs to keep his value up for trade purposes, but the family’s preference is to be on the East Coast, specifically New York, Miami or Boston. He wouldn’t be troubled if he has to stay another year.”

But the Timberwolves have leverage. They hold his exclusive draft rights, meaning they are the only N.B.A. team with whom he can negotiate. Their latest strategy in trying to persuade Rubio to sign may center on the possible N.B.A. lockout of players after the collective bargaining agreement expires June 30. The terms of the new agreement will probably be significantly less favorable for rookies.

According to Larry Coon, an expert on the collective bargaining agreement, Rubio has the option of signing his rookie contract until June 30. Under the terms of the current agreement, that deal would begin in 2011-12 and run through 2014-15, with the final two years as team options. His salary next season would reflect the rookie scale for players picked in the 2011 draft.

By doing so, Rubio would risk losing that salary if the 2011-12 season were to be wiped out by a lockout. He could not return to play in Europe to earn a living. Even if the labor dispute was resolved before the end of the season, he might not have the benefit of playing in the summer league or participating in training camp to help him acclimate.

He could also be passing up a significant amount of money if he did sign. Under the current agreement, an unsigned player who is three years removed from his draft class is no longer bound by the restrictions of the N.B.A. rookie scale, allowing him to negotiate a contract for as much money as the team that holds his rights has under the salary cap. The new labor agreement may not allow such maneuvering.

Rubio will have to make a decision once his season ends in June. Does he stay with Barcelona or reunite with his coach from Joventut, possibly with Real Madrid? Can he make the jump to the N.B.A., and will it be with the Timberwolves?

“I’m not focused on the N.B.A. right now,” Rubio said. “Right now, I don’t want to talk and I don’t want to think.”

Jonathan Givony is the owner of DraftExpress.com, a basketball scouting service.

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1/25/2011  8:16 AM
Nalod wrote:
The best boon to his development might be to play in the N.B.A., where the best point guards are not only great passers but are also able to carry a team with their scoring. In the more-wide-open N.B.A. style, Rubio could flourish.

I don't understand this graph. If he can't shoot in Spain, how is it reasonable to expect Rubio to turn into Chris Paul the moment he come to the NBA? I think the best boon to his development might be to spend some hours at the gym and improve his J.

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1/25/2011  9:03 AM
w the potential of an impending lockout looming in the not to far distance, i can see rubio playing one more year in europe then making the leap to the nba once all the new cba stuff sorts itself out. makes sense from a compensation perspective b/c if there is a lockout, and he decided to come over next year, he'd be making no money in his first year.
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1/25/2011  9:07 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
Nalod wrote:
The best boon to his development might be to play in the N.B.A., where the best point guards are not only great passers but are also able to carry a team with their scoring. In the more-wide-open N.B.A. style, Rubio could flourish.

I don't understand this graph. If he can't shoot in Spain, how is it reasonable to expect Rubio to turn into Chris Paul the moment he come to the NBA? I think the best boon to his development might be to spend some hours at the gym and improve his J.

You can understand it if you consider it in the context of the paragraph above it, where it is explained that Rubio finds it

"...natural to act as a selfless distributor and to defer to those with seniority. That is a defining characteristic of European basketball, particularly in Spain, where it is considered disrespectful for an individual to put himself above the team. Most Valuable Player awards are for the American leagues. All that matters are wins and losses."
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1/25/2011  9:21 AM
orangeblobman wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Nalod wrote:
The best boon to his development might be to play in the N.B.A., where the best point guards are not only great passers but are also able to carry a team with their scoring. In the more-wide-open N.B.A. style, Rubio could flourish.

I don't understand this graph. If he can't shoot in Spain, how is it reasonable to expect Rubio to turn into Chris Paul the moment he come to the NBA? I think the best boon to his development might be to spend some hours at the gym and improve his J.

You can understand it if you consider it in the context of the paragraph above it, where it is explained that Rubio finds it

"...natural to act as a selfless distributor and to defer to those with seniority. That is a defining characteristic of European basketball, particularly in Spain, where it is considered disrespectful for an individual to put himself above the team. Most Valuable Player awards are for the American leagues. All that matters are wins and losses."

So, Rubio can't shoot because he's too unselfish?
Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right. - The Tick
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1/25/2011  9:33 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Nalod wrote:
The best boon to his development might be to play in the N.B.A., where the best point guards are not only great passers but are also able to carry a team with their scoring. In the more-wide-open N.B.A. style, Rubio could flourish.

I don't understand this graph. If he can't shoot in Spain, how is it reasonable to expect Rubio to turn into Chris Paul the moment he come to the NBA? I think the best boon to his development might be to spend some hours at the gym and improve his J.

You can understand it if you consider it in the context of the paragraph above it, where it is explained that Rubio finds it

"...natural to act as a selfless distributor and to defer to those with seniority. That is a defining characteristic of European basketball, particularly in Spain, where it is considered disrespectful for an individual to put himself above the team. Most Valuable Player awards are for the American leagues. All that matters are wins and losses."

So, Rubio can't shoot because he's too unselfish?

More that he hasn't felt comfortable taking control in a way that would let him 'go for his'. Once that mental block is taken down and he's free to be the man if a situation calls for it, then you'll see him shoot with more confidence and complete a higher percentage of his shots. If he were to play in the NBA, where he would quickly learn that it's not disrespectful to take charge, he would drop the buckets all over the land, leaving casualties on the dance floor.

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1/25/2011  9:34 AM
I think we need to move on from Rubio.
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1/25/2011  9:38 AM
Vmart wrote:I think we need to move on from Rubio.

Why? If we can get Rubio, wow, that's it. Our PG problems are solved for the next 15 years.

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1/25/2011  9:42 AM
orangeblobman wrote:
Vmart wrote:I think we need to move on from Rubio.

Why? If we can get Rubio, wow, that's it. Our PG problems are solved for the next 15 years.

He isn't that good. He doesn't even start for his national team. If you recall the world games it was his teammate that played pg that did the most. Kid is all hype. Even I fell into the hype.

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1/25/2011  9:50 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/25/2011  9:50 AM
Vmart wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:
Vmart wrote:I think we need to move on from Rubio.

Why? If we can get Rubio, wow, that's it. Our PG problems are solved for the next 15 years.

He isn't that good. He doesn't even start for his national team. If you recall the world games it was his teammate that played pg that did the most. Kid is all hype. Even I fell into the hype.

He's not all hype. He's a good kid that is mindful of the social boundaries that being a 20 year old phenom among older men imposes on his Self. He respects those boundaries at the expense of his bucket dropping, so at a cursory observation he appears worse than he really is.

Once he is liberated from these social constrictions you will see him blossom into the big San Pedro cactus we expect him to be.

In some ways, this is Gallo's problem too.

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1/25/2011  9:56 AM
“I’m not focused on the N.B.A. right now,” Rubio said. “Right now, I don’t want to talk and I don’t want to think.”

You should have thought of that before you entered the lottery and screwed a team out of a #5 pick, muchacho.

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1/25/2011  10:08 AM
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“I’m not focused on the N.B.A. right now,” Rubio said. “Right now, I don’t want to talk and I don’t want to think.”

You should have thought of that before you entered the lottery and screwed a team out of a #5 pick, muchacho.

T-Wolves screwed him and the Knicks and did GS the biggest favor a team could have done a team. Just imagine if the T-wolves took Curry, GS would not have taken Rubio and took Jordan leaving the Knicks and me too in a happy place. But because of that blunder by the T-Wolves the Knicks basically got screwed, with no intention of playing for the T-wolves Rubio got screwed only one that really ended up happy was Golden State.

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1/25/2011  10:09 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/25/2011  10:10 AM
orangeblobman wrote:
Vmart wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:
Vmart wrote:I think we need to move on from Rubio.

Why? If we can get Rubio, wow, that's it. Our PG problems are solved for the next 15 years.

He isn't that good. He doesn't even start for his national team. If you recall the world games it was his teammate that played pg that did the most. Kid is all hype. Even I fell into the hype.

He's not all hype. He's a good kid that is mindful of the social boundaries that being a 20 year old phenom among older men imposes on his Self. He respects those boundaries at the expense of his bucket dropping, so at a cursory observation he appears worse than he really is.

Once he is liberated from these social constrictions you will see him blossom into the big San Pedro cactus we expect him to be.

In some ways, this is Gallo's problem too.

That is the type of thinking that prevents a player from becoming great.

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1/25/2011  10:29 AM

Rubio entered the lotto not thinking Minny was gonna take him where they did.

The point in the NBA is a pure Alpha position where your the quarterback and have to choose when and where the best thing for the team is. When you mess up you have 4 guys staring at you and your an extension of your coach at the same time. YOu have to think, and react at the same time.

Its rare for any 20 year old to demonstrate this ability. Jennings did a very good job last year. Look at the fact he did little in Italy and then kind of exploded in the NBA. Rubio is playing to the cultural norm of his league. When he did start on the national team (injury to I think Calderon or Rudy) he impressed many.

These pure points don't shoot much. They play all out and get substituted to keep fresh.

Not for desire or talent from what I read but for cultural purpose he will need a period of adjustment when he does come over.

I could see that Knicks as not being the ideal situation. I also see Felton starting to wear down. The MDA way is very euro and the knicks run A LOT and we will wear down any point not named Nash. I can see bringing Rubio along 20 min a game. Let him be a rookie and grow into the role.

Most good NFL Teams have good back ups for their QB's and the best develop young ones to eventually take over. Tom Brady and Matt Cassell are two that come to mind. Brady took over for Bledsoe who was making a lot of money at the time. Cassell did a great job but not enough to supplant Brady. If he was not a free agent Patriots could have gotten a lot for him in trade.

If you recall Brady didn't even beat (the guy who played for the yankees from Michigan)as a starer for the wolverines! He was a back up in college!

It happens. Rubio has potential, thats what you get.

If he can grow beyond Felton in time it gives us options.

What you trade for him is not my call. I don't know his real value. Minny has points. I don't know what they are doing up there.

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1/25/2011  10:47 AM
Vmart wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:
Vmart wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:
Vmart wrote:I think we need to move on from Rubio.

Why? If we can get Rubio, wow, that's it. Our PG problems are solved for the next 15 years.

He isn't that good. He doesn't even start for his national team. If you recall the world games it was his teammate that played pg that did the most. Kid is all hype. Even I fell into the hype.

He's not all hype. He's a good kid that is mindful of the social boundaries that being a 20 year old phenom among older men imposes on his Self. He respects those boundaries at the expense of his bucket dropping, so at a cursory observation he appears worse than he really is.

Once he is liberated from these social constrictions you will see him blossom into the big San Pedro cactus we expect him to be.

In some ways, this is Gallo's problem too.

That is the type of thinking that prevents a player from becoming great.

I agree and it will take some time. Dirk Diggler has some problems in the beginning also. This is basically Gallo's soph year.

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1/25/2011  2:18 PM
Kahn should have just traded his rights before last year while his hype was still high... he could've probably gotten a lottery pick & a future #1 for him from us at that point.
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1/25/2011  2:39 PM
Nalod wrote:
Rubio entered the lotto not thinking Minny was gonna take him where they did.

The point in the NBA is a pure Alpha position where your the quarterback and have to choose when and where the best thing for the team is. When you mess up you have 4 guys staring at you and your an extension of your coach at the same time. YOu have to think, and react at the same time.

Its rare for any 20 year old to demonstrate this ability. Jennings did a very good job last year. Look at the fact he did little in Italy and then kind of exploded in the NBA. Rubio is playing to the cultural norm of his league. When he did start on the national team (injury to I think Calderon or Rudy) he impressed many.

These pure points don't shoot much. They play all out and get substituted to keep fresh.

Not for desire or talent from what I read but for cultural purpose he will need a period of adjustment when he does come over.

I could see that Knicks as not being the ideal situation. I also see Felton starting to wear down. The MDA way is very euro and the knicks run A LOT and we will wear down any point not named Nash. I can see bringing Rubio along 20 min a game. Let him be a rookie and grow into the role.

Most good NFL Teams have good back ups for their QB's and the best develop young ones to eventually take over. Tom Brady and Matt Cassell are two that come to mind. Brady took over for Bledsoe who was making a lot of money at the time. Cassell did a great job but not enough to supplant Brady. If he was not a free agent Patriots could have gotten a lot for him in trade.

If you recall Brady didn't even beat (the guy who played for the yankees from Michigan)as a starer for the wolverines! He was a back up in college!

It happens. Rubio has potential, thats what you get.

If he can grow beyond Felton in time it gives us options.

What you trade for him is not my call. I don't know his real value. Minny has points. I don't know what they are doing up there.


He couldn't beat out Drew henson? wow

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1/25/2011  2:47 PM
jimimou wrote:w the potential of an impending lockout looming in the not to far distance, i can see rubio playing one more year in europe then making the leap to the nba once all the new cba stuff sorts itself out. makes sense from a compensation perspective b/c if there is a lockout, and he decided to come over next year, he'd be making no money in his first year.

if there's a lockout, NBA players can play in Europe without voiding their contracts. so in essence, it doesn't matter to Rubio. if he signs this Summer and gets locked-out - he can go back to Europe and play without restriction.

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eViL wrote:
jimimou wrote:w the potential of an impending lockout looming in the not to far distance, i can see rubio playing one more year in europe then making the leap to the nba once all the new cba stuff sorts itself out. makes sense from a compensation perspective b/c if there is a lockout, and he decided to come over next year, he'd be making no money in his first year.

if there's a lockout, NBA players can play in Europe without voiding their contracts. so in essence, it doesn't matter to Rubio. if he signs this Summer and gets locked-out - he can go back to Europe and play without restriction.

Only the players that would be FAs could play in Europe according to this article:

http://basketball.about.com/od/nbaplayers/a/Nba-Lockout-101-Will-Nba-Players-Sign-Overseas-In-The-Event-Of-A-Lockout.htm

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1/25/2011  3:44 PM
Andrew wrote:
eViL wrote:
jimimou wrote:w the potential of an impending lockout looming in the not to far distance, i can see rubio playing one more year in europe then making the leap to the nba once all the new cba stuff sorts itself out. makes sense from a compensation perspective b/c if there is a lockout, and he decided to come over next year, he'd be making no money in his first year.

if there's a lockout, NBA players can play in Europe without voiding their contracts. so in essence, it doesn't matter to Rubio. if he signs this Summer and gets locked-out - he can go back to Europe and play without restriction.

Only the players that would be FAs could play in Europe according to this article:

http://basketball.about.com/od/nbaplayers/a/Nba-Lockout-101-Will-Nba-Players-Sign-Overseas-In-The-Event-Of-A-Lockout.htm

exactly my point - since he is not a free agent, he wouldnt get paid.


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