17 straight losses overall. 21 straight losses on the road.

Even last year's Nets didn't fail this badly.

crzymdups wrote:

Biggamer3 wrote:[xx( We were the only win

it was a trap game for the knicks, coming off an emotional game against the heat. also, the knicks game was one of the last Varejao played before he went down for the season, which is when the wheels really came off for the cavs.

I understand your reasoning, but its still far from a valid excuse.

Lebron > Kobe

And it's not even close. The Cavs led the league in wins with him and are the worst team in the league without him.

Stupid owner who didn't understand this and take Beasley and break the team up and move Mo and Anderson right after the decision

Uptown wrote:

MS wrote:I think this very easily solves the debate

Lebron > Kobe

And it's not even close. The Cavs led the league in wins with him and are the worst team in the league without him.

Stupid owner who didn't understand this and take Beasley and break the team up and move Mo and Anderson right after the decision

I wont say easily, but I concur. Been arguing for years with buddies of mine how that Cleve squad lacked the talent that the other elite teams had. Lebron was the sole reason why that team won as huch as they did. Just goes to show how much one star player can make a difference.

To be fair to the Cavs talent they were brought in to compliment LeBron.

Uptown wrote:

MS wrote:I think this very easily solves the debate

Lebron > Kobe

And it's not even close. The Cavs led the league in wins with him and are the worst team in the league without him.

Stupid owner who didn't understand this and take Beasley and break the team up and move Mo and Anderson right after the decision

I wont say easily, but I concur. Been arguing for years with buddies of mine how that Cleve squad lacked the talent that the other elite teams had. Lebron was the sole reason why that team won as huch as they did. Just goes to show how much one star player can make a difference.

So to completely solve the debate, you'd have to see Lakers - Kobe = total meltdown. Now, granted, the Cavs don't have anyone of Gasol's status, but are the Lakers going to the Finals for the last 3-4 years without Kobe? Is Lamar Odom that good? Are Derek Fisher and Artest going to lead your team anywhere? And Bynum bows to almost the same injury gods as Greg Oden, so he can't count.

Biggamer3 wrote:wow all they had to do was trade a second round pick for Beasely, what clowns running these teams

This clown.

knicks1248 wrote:

Biggamer3 wrote:wow all they had to do was trade a second round pick for Beasely, what clowns running these teams

Usually when people are mad, then tend to react before they think....

Now that he's had time to think and reflect, does he post another letter?

"Dear Lebron,
We miss you and love you. All is forgiven, please come back home. I'm going to pay to move the sun closer to the earth so Cleveland will be just like South Beach.
Fondly,
Dan Gilbert"

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
Eastern Conference scout on the depths of Cleveland's collapse post-LeBron James:

"Without [Anderson] Varejao and Mo Williams? They're playing with a summer-league team and Antawn Jamison. Byron [Scott] was calling plays [in a recent game] and trying to explain to guys where to go. They didn't know the plays. Antawn was just shaking his head.

"I know it's easy to say this now, but I thought they'd be last or next-to-last in the East when the season started. It was apparent when LeBron was there and you looked at the rest of the talent. When Varejao went down and took the defense with him ... they're just not very much fun to watch.

"My biggest concern would be J.J. Hickson. He doesn't fit into Byron's scheme. If it's true that they could have traded him for Amare Stoudemire, that's one they may regret forever, because I don't think he's a starter on a good team. On a team as bad as that, [Hickson] should be 20 and 10 every night. He should be David West. But he doesn't seem to be a self-disciplined player. He's not in good shape. He's [a] once-every-five-games guy, to me."

http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-110121-23/nba-scouts-saying

Let's hope we don't say this about Chandler/Gallo/Fields if we miss out on Melo.

way to hijack a thread. are any of those undisdciplined, out of shape once every 5 game players?

nyk4ever wrote:yeah but they still have boobie

How long are you gonna milk that one, nyk?