If I look at the lineup

we are here

PF/C--No one
PF Amare
F Chandler
G Fields
G Felton
6 Gallo
7 PF/C no one
8 Walker
9 Douglas????? or back up PG
The way i see it--two QUALITY bigs--one a PF who can score and the other a true 5 who can help clog the lane but also score rebound etc...

I have argued we have enough from the wings but are hurt--especially defensively by not having interior presence on both ends(when stoud is out as well on the O) what this team needs is quality size
and a quality back up PG who can aslo beat you off the dribble. I think this can be Douglas if he gets healthy. But we may need somoen for a short term run this year.

loweyecue wrote:So Turiaf is just vapor is he?

Vapor--can you rely on him? No

Question is: we're not getting a servicable big for free, so who do we give up? If they're young and signed to low dollars, I can't imagine AR is getting it done alone.

Are we prepared to part with one of our SF's or Douglas? We have Rautins, how much worse could he be backing up Felton for 10 minutes a night.

And... If we're talking about someone like Okafor or say Kaman, do we really want to give up our cap flexibility?

crzymdups wrote:can anyone definitively say whether Deandre Jordan is a free agent this summer? what's his contract like? is he unrestricted?

If UK thinks he is good what makes people think Clips wont keep em...

rp wrote:

crzymdups wrote:can anyone definitively say whether Deandre Jordan is a free agent this summer? what's his contract like? is he unrestricted?

If UK thinks he is good what makes people think Clips wont keep em...

if the clips are serious about not being the clips anymore they'll pay Eric Gordon, Blake Griffin and Deandre Jordan. Kaman's a free agent after next season so they'll need a C anyway.

BRIGGS wrote:

loweyecue wrote:So Turiaf is just vapor is he?

Vapor--can you rely on him? No

Most of your posts are reasonable even if you do change your mind three times a week, but I don't get why you have been so negative on Turiaf. Is he reliable? Absolutely in a back up role with limited minutes.

gr33d wrote:We need bigs with or without a blockbuster trade, it's just about timing it right.

Question is: we're not getting a servicable big for free, so who do we give up? If they're young and signed to low dollars, I can't imagine AR is getting it done alone.

Are we prepared to part with one of our SF's or Douglas? We have Rautins, how much worse could he be backing up Felton for 10 minutes a night.

And... If we're talking about someone like Okafor or say Kaman, do we really want to give up our cap flexibility?

Kaman only has one year left on his deal after this season, so that isn't exactly destroying your cap flexibility, though it is ending any chance of adding Carmelo in the off season.

Kaman would actually play for D'Antoni. There is, I'd argue, ample proof that DeAndre Jordan would likely not see any playing time under MDA- so why even discuss him as an option, restricted or not.

If I could add Kaman for just Curry and maybe a second rounder or Bill Walker, I think I'd prefer that over adding Carmelo, even in the off season as we'd have to shed a lot of depth & youth to do it.

franco12 wrote:

gr33d wrote:We need bigs with or without a blockbuster trade, it's just about timing it right.

Question is: we're not getting a servicable big for free, so who do we give up? If they're young and signed to low dollars, I can't imagine AR is getting it done alone.

Are we prepared to part with one of our SF's or Douglas? We have Rautins, how much worse could he be backing up Felton for 10 minutes a night.

And... If we're talking about someone like Okafor or say Kaman, do we really want to give up our cap flexibility?

Kaman only has one year left on his deal after this season, so that isn't exactly destroying your cap flexibility, though it is ending any chance of adding Carmelo in the off season.

Kaman would actually play for D'Antoni. There is, I'd argue, ample proof that DeAndre Jordan would likely not see any playing time under MDA- so why even discuss him as an option, restricted or not.

If I could add Kaman for just Curry and maybe a second rounder or Bill Walker, I think I'd prefer that over adding Carmelo, even in the off season as we'd have to shed a lot of depth & youth to do it.

what possible evidence is there that deandre jordan wouldn't play under d'antoni? have the knicks ever had a player like that while D'Antoni has been here?

also, if he's truly restricted, I still think I'd make a large offer to him this off-season and see if the clippers can match.

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

franco12 wrote:

gr33d wrote:We need bigs with or without a blockbuster trade, it's just about timing it right.

Question is: we're not getting a servicable big for free, so who do we give up? If they're young and signed to low dollars, I can't imagine AR is getting it done alone.

Are we prepared to part with one of our SF's or Douglas? We have Rautins, how much worse could he be backing up Felton for 10 minutes a night.

And... If we're talking about someone like Okafor or say Kaman, do we really want to give up our cap flexibility?

Kaman only has one year left on his deal after this season, so that isn't exactly destroying your cap flexibility, though it is ending any chance of adding Carmelo in the off season.

Kaman would actually play for D'Antoni. There is, I'd argue, ample proof that DeAndre Jordan would likely not see any playing time under MDA- so why even discuss him as an option, restricted or not.

If I could add Kaman for just Curry and maybe a second rounder or Bill Walker, I think I'd prefer that over adding Carmelo, even in the off season as we'd have to shed a lot of depth & youth to do it.

what possible evidence is there that deandre jordan wouldn't play under d'antoni? have the knicks ever had a player like that while D'Antoni has been here?

also, if he's truly restricted, I still think I'd make a large offer to him this off-season and see if the clippers can match.

yes.. this is so annoying and old. MDA did everything he could to get Mosgov on the floor because we need size. He brought a better playing in Chandler (and one of his favs) off the bench to do so. Turiaf is never healthy but he gets plenty of burn when he is. I guess because MDA didnt play Darko or win a title with a washed up Shaq that he doesnt know how to play bigs.

Papabear Says

A blind man could see that we are getting killed on the boards and we play down to any teams level. We trade baskets and if we are missing shots we loose. D'Antoni has a hard head. Why would a team let a coach walk when he wins 55 - 60 games a year? D'Antoni really don't care and it's his way or the highway. Even if we lost some game because of Mosgov or Randolph, by now they both would have a better understanding of the game. You point out to Randolph that he ain't no D Wade he is more like a Camby on steroids. If he can't accept that then you get rid of him but you must give him a chance. He will never be a 3 point shooter.