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CashMoney
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1/18/2011  2:53 PM
Gallo, Fields, 1st rounder (2 depending on the AR trade) and Curry. If there is anyone on this board who would not give up this package for Melo you are CRAZY.

At the end of the day we would be giving up Gallo & Fields, 2 players for one. Draft picks are never a guarantee as sometimes the most promising college prospects are pro busts. Bottom line is the Knicks are better with Melo than without him.

I keep reading on this forum about how scoring is not a problem. Are the Knicks leading the NBA in scoring? Yes but we're also talking about 40 games. We can't expect Felton to play 41 minutes a game and average 18 PPG for the entire year. Look at the team post trade....

C - Ama're
PF - Turiaf
SF - Anthony
SG - Chandler
PG - Felton

Bench
Williams
Walker
Mason, Jr.
Douglas
Mosgov

Walsh may be able to add a piece or two through trade or maybe there is someone down in the NBDL worth giving a shot to. All I know is that Anthony will ease the burden on both Stat and Felton and we should all know by now that Chandler is no slouch and can score and defend. With or without Melo the Knicks aren't winning it all this year but there more likely to win sooner or later with Melo tha without.

I'd miss Gallo and Fields but I would have to pull the trigger on this deal.

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1/18/2011  3:00 PM
CashMoney wrote:Gallo, Fields, 1st rounder (2 depending on the AR trade) and Curry. If there is anyone on this board who would not give up this package for Melo you are CRAZY.

At the end of the day we would be giving up Gallo & Fields, 2 players for one. Draft picks are never a guarantee as sometimes the most promising college prospects are pro busts. Bottom line is the Knicks are better with Melo than without him.

I keep reading on this forum about how scoring is not a problem. Are the Knicks leading the NBA in scoring? Yes but we're also talking about 40 games. We can't expect Felton to play 41 minutes a game and average 18 PPG for the entire year. Look at the team post trade....

C - Ama're
PF - Turiaf
SF - Anthony
SG - Chandler
PG - Felton

Bench
Williams
Walker
Mason, Jr.
Douglas
Mosgov

Walsh may be able to add a piece or two through trade or maybe there is someone down in the NBDL worth giving a shot to. All I know is that Anthony will ease the burden on both Stat and Felton and we should all know by now that Chandler is no slouch and can score and defend. With or without Melo the Knicks aren't winning it all this year but there more likely to win sooner or later with Melo tha without.

I'd miss Gallo and Fields but I would have to pull the trigger on this deal.

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1/18/2011  3:02 PM
Dont worry if Fields come back next season putting up the same stats people will be willing to trade him for Chris Paul.
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1/18/2011  3:03 PM
i think if Donnie plays his cards right, he may be able to get Melo without having to include Fields... say he trades AR for a mid 1st round pick & gets another one using cash considerations... he could combine those assets along with Gallo OR Wilson & offer up a better package of assets than the Nuggets will likely get from any other team that's willing to rent Melo for a few months... that's all we can control... after that it's up to Kroenke to decide whether he wants to do what's best for his franchise or what's best for his own ego.
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1/18/2011  3:05 PM
Even if it takes Fields I'd do it. The only thing I wouldn't do is both Wilson and Galo.
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1/18/2011  3:05 PM
TMS wrote:i think if Donnie plays his cards right, he may be able to get Melo without having to include Fields... say he trades AR for a mid 1st round pick & gets another one using cash considerations... he could combine those assets along with Gallo OR Wilson & offer up a better package of assets than the Nuggets will likely get from any other team that's willing to rent Melo for a few months... that's all we can control... after that it's up to Kroenke to decide whether he wants to do what's best for his franchise or what's best for his own ego.

I don't think the Nugs would take Chandler consdering he's a restricted FA at the end of the year. They'd have to match or lose him which doesn't do much for the cap flexibilit their looking for. Gallo is not a restricted FA until after the 2012 season.

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1/18/2011  3:06 PM
MSG3 wrote:Even if it takes Fields I'd do it. The only thing I wouldn't do is both Wilson and Galo.

I don't think DW would do that either.

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1/18/2011  3:08 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/18/2011  3:08 PM
Oh, yay. Another Melo thread. Is there something new here I'm missing?

We went from a **** team, to a playoff team, and all we can talk about is a guy not on the team at all.

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1/18/2011  3:14 PM
Panos wrote:Oh, yay. Another Melo thread. Is there something new here I'm missing?

We went from a **** team, to a playoff team, and all we can talk about is a guy not on the team at all.

Playoff team? 4 games above .500 is a far lock for the playoffs. Let's lose STAT or Felton for 10 games and see where we wind up.

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1/18/2011  3:16 PM
Gallo (yes- Gallo), and Fields are the two glue players in our starting lineup. You make a big mistake if you give up both of them in the trade, IMO.

I have pretty much accepted the idea that we are going to lose either Gallo or Fields if this trade goes down, unless Chandler agrees to a S&T to Denver, and even then, I think that Fields or Gallo might be part of the deal, but your team chemistry takes a big hit if Gallinari and Landry both go in the deal.

I still hope to pick him up as a FA.

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1/18/2011  3:18 PM
Panos wrote:Oh, yay. Another Melo thread. Is there something new here I'm missing?

We went from a **** team, to a playoff team, and all we can talk about is a guy not on the team at all.

They call it desperation.

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1/18/2011  3:20 PM
We score enough points that's not the problem.

Let Gallo, Fields, Wilson mature and sign Deandre Jordan to a long term deal. Keep the talent we have and maybe AR gets it maybe he doesn't, but we then have a defensive presence that can rebound and bang with any big man in the league for years to come and can retain Walker and bring Gallo off the bench next season.

Problem solved, no Melo

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1/18/2011  3:20 PM
CashMoney wrote:
TMS wrote:i think if Donnie plays his cards right, he may be able to get Melo without having to include Fields... say he trades AR for a mid 1st round pick & gets another one using cash considerations... he could combine those assets along with Gallo OR Wilson & offer up a better package of assets than the Nuggets will likely get from any other team that's willing to rent Melo for a few months... that's all we can control... after that it's up to Kroenke to decide whether he wants to do what's best for his franchise or what's best for his own ego.

I don't think the Nugs would take Chandler consdering he's a restricted FA at the end of the year. They'd have to match or lose him which doesn't do much for the cap flexibilit their looking for. Gallo is not a restricted FA until after the 2012 season.

i agree i think Gallo would probably be the guy they'd be more interested in if they were dealing w/us... they'll probably want Fields & multiple picks too i'm sure of it, but that doesn't mean DW has to cave into their demands... i think as long as we can put together a better package than any thing they could get from teams looking to rent him for the rest of this season, that's all we can do... we can't & we SHOULDN'T be looking to match any offer from NJ... our only chance to get Melo is if he nixes that trade.

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1/18/2011  3:22 PM
Paladin55 wrote:
Panos wrote:Oh, yay. Another Melo thread. Is there something new here I'm missing?

We went from a **** team, to a playoff team, and all we can talk about is a guy not on the team at all.

They call it desperation.

to be fair, at least half of the Melo threads being posted are by those who are against us trading for the guy... go figure.

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1/18/2011  3:37 PM
I respect everyones opinion and I see the merrit in lettin guys mature. And I'm extremely happy we're a playoff team again. But what some people fail to realize is that this team as presently constituted will never EVER compete for a championship. Even if we get Emeka Okeafor, Gasol, Camby or any other big man we will never compete with Miami, Boston or Orlando. The end game here is a championship. I loved the 90s Knicks but I don't want to be a perenial good team that is always one piece away again. Melo is our chance to be a dominant team. When can we have a chance like this again? Or with whom? I guarantee if we don't get Melo and we have a chance for CP3 or Deron next year people will find an excuse to favor keeping the guys we're talking about parting with now.

If you're happy with being a decent team with the guys we have now than it makes sense to not want Melo. But if you want to compete for a ring in the current landscape of the NBA Melo needs to be on this team. We will not have another chance like this for years.

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1/18/2011  3:37 PM
TMS wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
TMS wrote:i think if Donnie plays his cards right, he may be able to get Melo without having to include Fields... say he trades AR for a mid 1st round pick & gets another one using cash considerations... he could combine those assets along with Gallo OR Wilson & offer up a better package of assets than the Nuggets will likely get from any other team that's willing to rent Melo for a few months... that's all we can control... after that it's up to Kroenke to decide whether he wants to do what's best for his franchise or what's best for his own ego.

I don't think the Nugs would take Chandler consdering he's a restricted FA at the end of the year. They'd have to match or lose him which doesn't do much for the cap flexibilit their looking for. Gallo is not a restricted FA until after the 2012 season.

i agree i think Gallo would probably be the guy they'd be more interested in if they were dealing w/us... they'll probably want Fields & multiple picks too i'm sure of it, but that doesn't mean DW has to cave into their demands... i think as long as we can put together a better package than any thing they could get from teams looking to rent him for the rest of this season, that's all we can do... we can't & we SHOULDN'T be looking to match any offer from NJ... our only chance to get Melo is if he nixes that trade.

Denver has no incentive to trade Carmelo for trash when they are stuck paying Harrington and fans decide not to show up for the 2nd half of the season.

They'd be better served keeping him until summer. I dont see Carmelo opting out of his 17 million next year if a lockout is imminent. I dont think Carmelo wants Denver to call his bluff either.

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1/18/2011  3:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/18/2011  3:44 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
TMS wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
TMS wrote:i think if Donnie plays his cards right, he may be able to get Melo without having to include Fields... say he trades AR for a mid 1st round pick & gets another one using cash considerations... he could combine those assets along with Gallo OR Wilson & offer up a better package of assets than the Nuggets will likely get from any other team that's willing to rent Melo for a few months... that's all we can control... after that it's up to Kroenke to decide whether he wants to do what's best for his franchise or what's best for his own ego.

I don't think the Nugs would take Chandler consdering he's a restricted FA at the end of the year. They'd have to match or lose him which doesn't do much for the cap flexibilit their looking for. Gallo is not a restricted FA until after the 2012 season.

i agree i think Gallo would probably be the guy they'd be more interested in if they were dealing w/us... they'll probably want Fields & multiple picks too i'm sure of it, but that doesn't mean DW has to cave into their demands... i think as long as we can put together a better package than any thing they could get from teams looking to rent him for the rest of this season, that's all we can do... we can't & we SHOULDN'T be looking to match any offer from NJ... our only chance to get Melo is if he nixes that trade.

Denver has no incentive to trade Carmelo for trash when they are stuck paying Harrington and fans decide not to show up for the 2nd half of the season.

They'd be better served keeping him until summer. I dont see Carmelo opting out of his 17 million next year if a lockout is imminent. I dont think Carmelo wants Denver to call his bluff either.

who knows what their line of thinking is... so far it seems like Kroenke has purposefully discluded the Knicks from consideration & that could very well not change... all i'm saying is we need to at least put together a package that's better than any rental package they can get from other teams... after that it's up to the Nuggets & Melo to decide what they wanna do... i don't consider 1 of our top young players & 2 1st round picks trash either.

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1/18/2011  3:44 PM
That's the thing that blows my mind... we are talking about Melo here. Mind boggling, really.

The team is thin. How bad does it look when someone is a little banged up?

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1/18/2011  8:39 PM
TMS wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:
Panos wrote:Oh, yay. Another Melo thread. Is there something new here I'm missing?

We went from a **** team, to a playoff team, and all we can talk about is a guy not on the team at all.

They call it desperation.

to be fair, at least half of the Melo threads being posted are by those who are against us trading for the guy... go figure.

And on "my" side (wait for FA)... denial?

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1/19/2011  5:06 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/19/2011  5:07 AM
CashMoney wrote:Gallo, Fields, 1st rounder (2 depending on the AR trade) and Curry. If there is anyone on this board who would not give up this package for Melo you are CRAZY.

At the end of the day we would be giving up Gallo & Fields, 2 players for one. Draft picks are never a guarantee as sometimes the most promising college prospects are pro busts. Bottom line is the Knicks are better with Melo than without him.

I keep reading on this forum about how scoring is not a problem. Are the Knicks leading the NBA in scoring? Yes but we're also talking about 40 games. We can't expect Felton to play 41 minutes a game and average 18 PPG for the entire year. Look at the team post trade....

C - Ama're
PF - Turiaf
SF - Anthony
SG - Chandler
PG - Felton

Bench
Williams
Walker
Mason, Jr.
Douglas
Mosgov

Walsh may be able to add a piece or two through trade or maybe there is someone down in the NBDL worth giving a shot to. All I know is that Anthony will ease the burden on both Stat and Felton and we should all know by now that Chandler is no slouch and can score and defend. With or without Melo the Knicks aren't winning it all this year but there more likely to win sooner or later with Melo tha without.

I'd miss Gallo and Fields but I would have to pull the trigger on this deal.

Itd be foolish and immature to think that trading our players for Anthony would make us a better team. We need our young players, we need our draft picks to keep building this team, and we don't need yet an other small forward that needs to take 30 shots a game to be effective.

When you're losing 129-121, it's not about scoring 130 ! It's about making change and improving your defense by adding big guys in the middle. Trading for Melo would deny you most opportunities to add a quality big guy either in free agency or through the draft. That is plain stupid.

Now, enjoy the team you have on the floor, and **** all those Melo talks. If he wants to come, he'll join us in the summer. If not, who cares ? We'll have picks and cap space to keep building this team. Those Melo talks are Isiah-garbage-like.

C'mon people we're talking about Melo

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