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1/17/2011  9:16 PM
After all, ’Melo isn’t Kobe Bryant(notes). He isn’t LeBron James(notes). Or Dwyane Wade(notes). He isn’t a transcendent talent who sells out the arena, elevates everyone and changes everything. Anthony is a prolific scorer, but he’ll never be your leader. There are stars worth a franchise selling out everything, but Anthony isn’t one of them.
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1/17/2011  9:40 PM
Well ya, but Kobe, Wade, and the Douche are in a league of their own. I place Carmelo in the same tier talent-wise as Amar'e (although Amar'e is still better).

Every trade offer we've discussed has taken into account the leverage we have thanks to Melo's NY or bust attitude this year. The most common deal has been Curry, AR (turned into a 1st), and either Gallo or Chandler for Melo, and even some people think that's too much. Regardless of leverage, that's a bargain basement price, definitely not "selling out everything".
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1/17/2011  9:41 PM
LeBron hasn't won ****. Carmelo carried a Syracuse team to a title. Not saying Melo is better but he's had more success in his career than LeBron. Melo belongs in the discussion with all the players mentioned above, save for Kobe who is a cut above the rest.

Carmelo is a top 10 player in this league. Put him with Amare and Felton you have a contender. Add a big man and you might have a favorite.
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1/17/2011  9:44 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/17/2011  9:45 PM
melo won't have to be the alpha male here.. amare has taken on that role, but melo can be a great sidekick and in the playoffs, not lebron, kobe or wade can stop this cat from scoring... nice option to have... teams will have to gameplan for melo.. believe that..
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1/17/2011  10:26 PM
MSG3 wrote:LeBron hasn't won ****. Carmelo carried a Syracuse team to a title. Not saying Melo is better but he's had more success in his career than LeBron. Melo belongs in the discussion with all the players mentioned above, save for Kobe who is a cut above the rest.

Carmelo is a top 10 player in this league. Put him with Amare and Felton you have a contender. Add a big man and you might have a favorite.

wow that's inflating Melo. Which dude in that hasn't been to the finals?

To say that Melo has had more success than LeBron is a big reach my man.

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1/17/2011  10:57 PM
tkf wrote:melo won't have to be the alpha male here.. amare has taken on that role, but melo can be a great sidekick and in the playoffs, not lebron, kobe or wade can stop this cat from scoring... nice option to have... teams will have to gameplan for melo.. believe that..

Carmelo is a better overall player than Amare. Carmelo is clutch and is also a better passer than Amare. Amare needs to focus on finishing plays and have the offense run through Carmelo.

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1/17/2011  11:01 PM
This whole debate centering around Melo's inability to take his teams far in the playoffs is reaching ridiculous levels. Amare, Durant, CP3 & Deron Williams haven't been to the Finals either. I'm pretty sure none of the fans of their teams are sitting around debating whether or not they're franchise calibre talent.

a guy who took a team from 17 wins to 43 wins the next year somehow can't help another team get better... "let's grab Fishlips off the Rockets, he's the key to our future success"... "Melo is Gilbert Arenas part 2"... the hits just keep on comin'

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1/17/2011  11:02 PM
martin wrote:
MSG3 wrote:LeBron hasn't won ****. Carmelo carried a Syracuse team to a title. Not saying Melo is better but he's had more success in his career than LeBron. Melo belongs in the discussion with all the players mentioned above, save for Kobe who is a cut above the rest.

Carmelo is a top 10 player in this league. Put him with Amare and Felton you have a contender. Add a big man and you might have a favorite.

wow that's inflating Melo. Which dude in that hasn't been to the finals?

To say that Melo has had more success than LeBron is a big reach my man.

I know LeBron is a better player. But who has had more career success? You can make strong arguments either way. I just don't think Melo gets enough credit for the things he's done. He's a great player who if you have the opportunity to obtain you have to do everything possible. Now of course don't give up the entire roster if he can come in the summer. But I think it's BS to say he's not worth a big package as yahoo insinuated.
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1/17/2011  11:07 PM
MSG3 wrote:
martin wrote:
MSG3 wrote:LeBron hasn't won ****. Carmelo carried a Syracuse team to a title. Not saying Melo is better but he's had more success in his career than LeBron. Melo belongs in the discussion with all the players mentioned above, save for Kobe who is a cut above the rest.

Carmelo is a top 10 player in this league. Put him with Amare and Felton you have a contender. Add a big man and you might have a favorite.

wow that's inflating Melo. Which dude in that hasn't been to the finals?

To say that Melo has had more success than LeBron is a big reach my man.

I know LeBron is a better player. But who has had more career success? You can make strong arguments either way. I just don't think Melo gets enough credit for the things he's done. He's a great player who if you have the opportunity to obtain you have to do everything possible. Now of course don't give up the entire roster if he can come in the summer. But I think it's BS to say he's not worth a big package as yahoo insinuated.

well, how are you defining career success? LeBron didn't go to college, so why would you try to match he and Melo on NCAA championships?

After that career success is generally described by 1) Championships and 2) How far you have dragged your team in the playoffs.

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1/17/2011  11:07 PM
MSG3 wrote:
martin wrote:
MSG3 wrote:LeBron hasn't won ****. Carmelo carried a Syracuse team to a title. Not saying Melo is better but he's had more success in his career than LeBron. Melo belongs in the discussion with all the players mentioned above, save for Kobe who is a cut above the rest.

Carmelo is a top 10 player in this league. Put him with Amare and Felton you have a contender. Add a big man and you might have a favorite.

wow that's inflating Melo. Which dude in that hasn't been to the finals?

To say that Melo has had more success than LeBron is a big reach my man.

I know LeBron is a better player. But who has had more career success? You can make strong arguments either way. I just don't think Melo gets enough credit for the things he's done. He's a great player who if you have the opportunity to obtain you have to do everything possible. Now of course don't give up the entire roster if he can come in the summer. But I think it's BS to say he's not worth a big package as yahoo insinuated.

Furthermore, how transcendent has Wade been without the current roster or the years he was with Shaq? Yes he's a top 5 talent, but his teams when he was the man weren't very good.

Melo lead his team to the playoffs every single year in a tough as hell Western Conference. God willing he comes here you guys will see what a difference it will be. We'll be better than any of the 90s teams wig a few other tweaks. He is worth everything NJ is offering.
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1/17/2011  11:14 PM
MSG3 wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
martin wrote:
MSG3 wrote:LeBron hasn't won ****. Carmelo carried a Syracuse team to a title. Not saying Melo is better but he's had more success in his career than LeBron. Melo belongs in the discussion with all the players mentioned above, save for Kobe who is a cut above the rest.

Carmelo is a top 10 player in this league. Put him with Amare and Felton you have a contender. Add a big man and you might have a favorite.

wow that's inflating Melo. Which dude in that hasn't been to the finals?

To say that Melo has had more success than LeBron is a big reach my man.

I know LeBron is a better player. But who has had more career success? You can make strong arguments either way. I just don't think Melo gets enough credit for the things he's done. He's a great player who if you have the opportunity to obtain you have to do everything possible. Now of course don't give up the entire roster if he can come in the summer. But I think it's BS to say he's not worth a big package as yahoo insinuated.

Furthermore, how transcendent has Wade been without the current roster or the years he was with Shaq? Yes he's a top 5 talent, but his teams when he was the man weren't very good.

Melo lead his team to the playoffs every single year in a tough as hell Western Conference. God willing he comes here you guys will see what a difference it will be. We'll be better than any of the 90s teams wig a few other tweaks. He is worth everything NJ is offering.

I agree with you. Melo is a must if the Knicks want to talk about being elite and Championships.
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1/17/2011  11:15 PM
martin wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
martin wrote:
MSG3 wrote:LeBron hasn't won ****. Carmelo carried a Syracuse team to a title. Not saying Melo is better but he's had more success in his career than LeBron. Melo belongs in the discussion with all the players mentioned above, save for Kobe who is a cut above the rest.

Carmelo is a top 10 player in this league. Put him with Amare and Felton you have a contender. Add a big man and you might have a favorite.

wow that's inflating Melo. Which dude in that hasn't been to the finals?

To say that Melo has had more success than LeBron is a big reach my man.

I know LeBron is a better player. But who has had more career success? You can make strong arguments either way. I just don't think Melo gets enough credit for the things he's done. He's a great player who if you have the opportunity to obtain you have to do everything possible. Now of course don't give up the entire roster if he can come in the summer. But I think it's BS to say he's not worth a big package as yahoo insinuated.

well, how are you defining career success? LeBron didn't go to college, so why would you try to match he and Melo on NCAA championships?

After that career success is generally described by 1) Championships and 2) How far you have dragged your team in the playoffs.

That's a valid point. But it's not Melo's fault James didn't go to school Melo did and he won it all. LeBron carried a team to the finals through the weakest era of Eastern Conference Basketball. I sound like I give him no credit. I think that was one of the greatest individual efforts ever. But his team got destroyed against SA. He hasn't made a conference finals since. Melo took his team (yes a talented team) to the dance every year and advanced through insane competition.

It's tough to compare career success wiu these 2 guys and I concede it's very close. But it's not a landslide like people make it out to be. Melo is VERY accomplished and in his prime.
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1/17/2011  11:18 PM
martin wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
martin wrote:
MSG3 wrote:LeBron hasn't won ****. Carmelo carried a Syracuse team to a title. Not saying Melo is better but he's had more success in his career than LeBron. Melo belongs in the discussion with all the players mentioned above, save for Kobe who is a cut above the rest.

Carmelo is a top 10 player in this league. Put him with Amare and Felton you have a contender. Add a big man and you might have a favorite.

wow that's inflating Melo. Which dude in that hasn't been to the finals?

To say that Melo has had more success than LeBron is a big reach my man.

I know LeBron is a better player. But who has had more career success? You can make strong arguments either way. I just don't think Melo gets enough credit for the things he's done. He's a great player who if you have the opportunity to obtain you have to do everything possible. Now of course don't give up the entire roster if he can come in the summer. But I think it's BS to say he's not worth a big package as yahoo insinuated.

well, how are you defining career success? LeBron didn't go to college, so why would you try to match he and Melo on NCAA championships?

After that career success is generally described by 1) Championships and 2) How far you have dragged your team in the playoffs.

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If we don't get Carmelo our chances for winning a championship is null. This team we have now can't stop a 4ft midget driving to the basket. Our defense stink. We are still playing match point with every team we play.What we have now is fools gold.

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Papabear wrote:
martin wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
martin wrote:
MSG3 wrote:LeBron hasn't won ****. Carmelo carried a Syracuse team to a title. Not saying Melo is better but he's had more success in his career than LeBron. Melo belongs in the discussion with all the players mentioned above, save for Kobe who is a cut above the rest.

Carmelo is a top 10 player in this league. Put him with Amare and Felton you have a contender. Add a big man and you might have a favorite.

wow that's inflating Melo. Which dude in that hasn't been to the finals?

To say that Melo has had more success than LeBron is a big reach my man.

I know LeBron is a better player. But who has had more career success? You can make strong arguments either way. I just don't think Melo gets enough credit for the things he's done. He's a great player who if you have the opportunity to obtain you have to do everything possible. Now of course don't give up the entire roster if he can come in the summer. But I think it's BS to say he's not worth a big package as yahoo insinuated.

well, how are you defining career success? LeBron didn't go to college, so why would you try to match he and Melo on NCAA championships?

After that career success is generally described by 1) Championships and 2) How far you have dragged your team in the playoffs.

Papabear Says

If we don't get Carmelo our chances for winning a championship is null. This team we have now can't stop a 4ft midget driving to the basket. Our defense stink. We are still playing match point with every team we play.What we have now is fools gold.

What does melo do for our D? The reason why we have gone down the last 5 is felton has been mediocre and our D has broken down. I like our forward combos fields gallo chandler williams walker--they will help us win. PG efficiency and added D is essential for this team. Is melo going to make us score 135?

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1/17/2011  11:27 PM
No but Melo is going to take pressure off of Felton so he can be a PG and not scoring option #2. I agree 100% that Felton needs to be smarter and more efficient. Having 2 top tier options to pass to will make him even better than he's been.
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1/17/2011  11:30 PM
MSG3 wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
martin wrote:
MSG3 wrote:LeBron hasn't won ****. Carmelo carried a Syracuse team to a title. Not saying Melo is better but he's had more success in his career than LeBron. Melo belongs in the discussion with all the players mentioned above, save for Kobe who is a cut above the rest.

Carmelo is a top 10 player in this league. Put him with Amare and Felton you have a contender. Add a big man and you might have a favorite.

wow that's inflating Melo. Which dude in that hasn't been to the finals?

To say that Melo has had more success than LeBron is a big reach my man.

I know LeBron is a better player. But who has had more career success? You can make strong arguments either way. I just don't think Melo gets enough credit for the things he's done. He's a great player who if you have the opportunity to obtain you have to do everything possible. Now of course don't give up the entire roster if he can come in the summer. But I think it's BS to say he's not worth a big package as yahoo insinuated.

Furthermore, how transcendent has Wade been without the current roster or the years he was with Shaq? Yes he's a top 5 talent, but his teams when he was the man weren't very good.

Melo lead his team to the playoffs every single year in a tough as hell Western Conference. God willing he comes here you guys will see what a difference it will be. We'll be better than any of the 90s teams wig a few other tweaks. He is worth everything NJ is offering.

kobe as the man wasnt "elite" either (04-05 till 06-07) until the roster got some upgrades.

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1/17/2011  11:36 PM
sidsanders wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
martin wrote:
MSG3 wrote:LeBron hasn't won ****. Carmelo carried a Syracuse team to a title. Not saying Melo is better but he's had more success in his career than LeBron. Melo belongs in the discussion with all the players mentioned above, save for Kobe who is a cut above the rest.

Carmelo is a top 10 player in this league. Put him with Amare and Felton you have a contender. Add a big man and you might have a favorite.

wow that's inflating Melo. Which dude in that hasn't been to the finals?

To say that Melo has had more success than LeBron is a big reach my man.

I know LeBron is a better player. But who has had more career success? You can make strong arguments either way. I just don't think Melo gets enough credit for the things he's done. He's a great player who if you have the opportunity to obtain you have to do everything possible. Now of course don't give up the entire roster if he can come in the summer. But I think it's BS to say he's not worth a big package as yahoo insinuated.

Furthermore, how transcendent has Wade been without the current roster or the years he was with Shaq? Yes he's a top 5 talent, but his teams when he was the man weren't very good.

Melo lead his team to the playoffs every single year in a tough as hell Western Conference. God willing he comes here you guys will see what a difference it will be. We'll be better than any of the 90s teams wig a few other tweaks. He is worth everything NJ is offering.

kobe as the man wasnt "elite" either (04-05 till 06-07) until the roster got some upgrades.

Very valid point. To me LeBron is in his own category, Kobe, Wade and Melo are in the same category. Kobe benefited greatly by having Phil Jackson and always having a stacked team, great player. Wade is a one hit wonder no Shaq no ring. Melo the same type of player but always going to battle with decent talent with no other big time player next to him. I would love to see him have an opportunity to see what he cold do with Amar's with him. That would be the best player that he has ever played with.
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1/17/2011  11:37 PM
kobe as the man wasnt "elite" either (04-05 till 06-07) until the roster got some upgrades.

Yeah, it doesn't hurt to have two of the top 5 big men in the league on your team at different points in your career.
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1/17/2011  11:37 PM
BRIGGS wrote:What does melo do for our D? The reason why we have gone down the last 5 is felton has been mediocre and our D has broken down. I like our forward combos fields gallo chandler williams walker--they will help us win. PG efficiency and added D is essential for this team. Is melo going to make us score 135?

right now at almost the halfway point in the season, the Knicks are a 4 games over .500 team... we're projecting to around 45 wins this season if we stand pat & stay on this pace... you really think that can't be improved upon if we get Melo to NY? the same guy that led his team to 53 wins last season & 54 wins the year prior in a much tougher conference without any player even close to Amare's calibre to help him?

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1/17/2011  11:41 PM
Kobe, Melo in the same category. wow this **** is getting thick
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