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1/16/2011  10:55 PM
The New York Knicks will trade Anthony Randolph for a first-round draft pick within the next two weeks, according to league sources.


Minnesota, Indiana and Portland are among the likeliest destinations.


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Knicks president Donnie Walsh and Randolph's agent, Bill Duffy, met before the Knicks' game Friday night against the Kings at Madison Square Garden.

The Knicks' ideal scenario is to use the first-round pick they acquire for Randolph in a package for Denver's Carmelo Anthony. But the Randolph trade is not completely related to New York's pursuit of Anthony.


While the Nuggets and New Jersey Nets continue to discuss a possible three-team trade with the Detroit Pistons that would make Anthony a Net, the Knicks are seeking teams that might help them sweeten a potential offer to Denver.


The Knicks reached out to Memphis recently to discuss sending O.J. Mayo to Denver, but the Nuggets have made it known that they have no interest in Mayo.


Sources with knowledge of the Nuggets and Nets discussions said the two clubs have yet to reach an agreement in principle, and that talks are likely to drag out over the next week or so.


Anthony's willingness to go to New Jersey is a key holdup of the potential trade, as the All-Star forward has not agreed to sign the three-year, $65 million extension that is a prerequisite for the deal.


Even as the tension surrounding the Nuggets grows, sources maintain that Anthony is in no hurry and that he has not ruled out playing the entire season in Denver and signing with the Knicks as a free agent.


The problem with that scenario -- and one of the main reasons Anthony has not shut the door on New Jersey completely -- is that the upcoming collective bargaining agreement could force Anthony to settle for millions of dollars less. Also, the Knicks may not have enough room to offer Anthony a max deal (whatever that may look like under the new rules) unless they renounce Wilson Chandler.

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This is from yesterday but I didn't see it or see it posted.

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1/16/2011  11:01 PM
If they are dealing AR for a 1st rounder they must know Denver is willing to listen to potential packages for Melo. Next week or so will be interesting.
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1/16/2011  11:04 PM
giantfan216 wrote:If they are dealing AR for a 1st rounder they must know Denver is willing to listen to potential packages for Melo. Next week or so will be interesting.

If the Knicks are willing to trade Hill and future picks they must know something....

Trading AR means diddly since D'Antoni has no intention of playing him. This about savaging a severely devalued asset.

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1/16/2011  11:06 PM
giantfan216 wrote:If they are dealing AR for a 1st rounder they must know Denver is willing to listen to potential packages for Melo. Next week or so will be interesting.

he's probably just trying to gather assets in case Denver's trade w/the Nets falls through... AR obviously doesn't interest DEN but 1st round picks do.

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1/16/2011  11:08 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
giantfan216 wrote:If they are dealing AR for a 1st rounder they must know Denver is willing to listen to potential packages for Melo. Next week or so will be interesting.

If the Knicks are willing to trade Hill and future picks they must know something....

Trading AR means diddly since D'Antoni has no intention of playing him. This about savaging a severely devalued asset.

i agree w/this... this is probably more about getting a usable asset now that AR is no longer an option to break into the rotation.

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1/16/2011  11:13 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
giantfan216 wrote:If they are dealing AR for a 1st rounder they must know Denver is willing to listen to potential packages for Melo. Next week or so will be interesting.

If the Knicks are willing to trade Hill and future picks they must know something....

Trading AR means diddly since D'Antoni has no intention of playing him. This about savaging a severely devalued asset.

I think it is somewhere in between. Walsh is keeping his options open. I think the NJ deal is far from a certainty. I think Denver wants the players and picks that they would get in that deal but I don't think Melo wants to commit to NJ. I also think Walsh has a good relationship with a lot of player agents and wants to maintain that. Randolph is going and he needs to play for a coach that will give him a chance and let him make some mistakes. The fact that Curry wants to be traded and has the same agent as Melo might help the Knicks out.
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1/16/2011  11:15 PM
TMS wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
giantfan216 wrote:If they are dealing AR for a 1st rounder they must know Denver is willing to listen to potential packages for Melo. Next week or so will be interesting.

If the Knicks are willing to trade Hill and future picks they must know something....

Trading AR means diddly since D'Antoni has no intention of playing him. This about savaging a severely devalued asset.

i agree w/this... this is probably more about getting a usable asset now that AR is no longer an option to break into the rotation.

agree too, but if that's the case then it better be an unprotected pick. who knows what kahn in minnesota would deal for AR (and i doubt an unprotected pick since they will be bottom of the league) so i hope its to portland or indiana. portland would be late lotto and indiana would be between late lotto and mid-first.

tantalizing talent, it's a shame couldn't work this guy in if they do in fact deal him.

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1/16/2011  11:18 PM
BigSm00th wrote:
TMS wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
giantfan216 wrote:If they are dealing AR for a 1st rounder they must know Denver is willing to listen to potential packages for Melo. Next week or so will be interesting.

If the Knicks are willing to trade Hill and future picks they must know something....

Trading AR means diddly since D'Antoni has no intention of playing him. This about savaging a severely devalued asset.

i agree w/this... this is probably more about getting a usable asset now that AR is no longer an option to break into the rotation.

agree too, but if that's the case then it better be an unprotected pick. who knows what kahn in minnesota would deal for AR (and i doubt an unprotected pick since they will be bottom of the league) so i hope its to portland or indiana. portland would be late lotto and indiana would be between late lotto and mid-first.

tantalizing talent, it's a shame couldn't work this guy in if they do in fact deal him.


I totally agree. It took me a long time to come to terms with the fact that he has no shot in NY with this coach but I think he is going to blow up in his next stop.
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1/16/2011  11:22 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
BigSm00th wrote:
TMS wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
giantfan216 wrote:If they are dealing AR for a 1st rounder they must know Denver is willing to listen to potential packages for Melo. Next week or so will be interesting.

If the Knicks are willing to trade Hill and future picks they must know something....

Trading AR means diddly since D'Antoni has no intention of playing him. This about savaging a severely devalued asset.

i agree w/this... this is probably more about getting a usable asset now that AR is no longer an option to break into the rotation.

agree too, but if that's the case then it better be an unprotected pick. who knows what kahn in minnesota would deal for AR (and i doubt an unprotected pick since they will be bottom of the league) so i hope its to portland or indiana. portland would be late lotto and indiana would be between late lotto and mid-first.

tantalizing talent, it's a shame couldn't work this guy in if they do in fact deal him.


I totally agree. It took me a long time to come to terms with the fact that he has no shot in NY with this coach but I think he is going to blow up in his next stop.

i think AR still needs to come to the realization that he needs to play within the system to be able to gain a coach's trust, but once he gets that down he's gonna be on his way... playing on a team like Indiana away from the media scrutiny & the pressure of having to win every game for a coach who might be more patient w/him through his struggles to grasp the system is probably as good of a situation that he could possibly hope for in his situation... let's hope we can get the deal done so all parties can benefit out of this debacle.

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1/16/2011  11:28 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
giantfan216 wrote:If they are dealing AR for a 1st rounder they must know Denver is willing to listen to potential packages for Melo. Next week or so will be interesting.

If the Knicks are willing to trade Hill and future picks they must know something....

Trading AR means diddly since D'Antoni has no intention of playing him. This about savaging a severely devalued asset.

Yeah i agree, there demanding a trade, walsh isn't really looking to gain a draft pick for AR to package for melo, besides, any draft pick the nets currently have will be better then any the knicks wiil aquire, unless it's with the T Wolves.

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1/16/2011  11:37 PM
I am really surprised someone is still willing to give a 1st rounder for AR, especially if it is a lottery team. He has shown no flashes of his old self at all this year. I wonder if their are really offers or if these are rumors using the media to attract offers.
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1/16/2011  11:40 PM
RonRon wrote:I am really surprised someone is still willing to give a 1st rounder for AR, especially if it is a lottery team. He has shown no flashes of his old self at all this year. I wonder if their are really offers or if these are rumors using the media to attract offers.

look at his game log last year and remember he's only 21 years old. he's younger than landry fields! the guy can play without a doubt, its whether he has the right mentality. plenty of players have physical skills and never put it together (see: curry, eddy).

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1/17/2011  2:21 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/17/2011  2:58 AM
Has there been any word on which draft pick we'd be receiving if he's shipped to Minny? They own both Utah's and Memphis' 1st rounders.

If Melo is actually traded this week, I'd prefer to revisit the OJ Mayo trade instead of taking a pick (of course that's assuming the trade was simply AR for Mayo...)

Edit: As a side note, I just saw that Minny's pick from Utah is top 16 protected and the Memphis pick is top 14 protected.

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1/17/2011  6:53 AM
MaTT4281 wrote:Has there been any word on which draft pick we'd be receiving if he's shipped to Minny? They own both Utah's and Memphis' 1st rounders.

If Melo is actually traded this week, I'd prefer to revisit the OJ Mayo trade instead of taking a pick (of course that's assuming the trade was simply AR for Mayo...)

Edit: As a side note, I just saw that Minny's pick from Utah is top 16 protected and the Memphis pick is top 14 protected.


I'm really warming up to the idea of getting Mayo if we lose out on Melo. I just think he would be an ideal fit here. Although he's having an off year, he's a player capable of becoming a 20 PPG scorer and all-star here with his shooting and shot creating abilities. He would be great playing off of Stoudemire.
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1/17/2011  8:08 AM
giantfan216 wrote:If they are dealing AR for a 1st rounder they must know Denver is willing to listen to potential packages for Melo. Next week or so will be interesting.

And maybe they know that Denver has no interest in AR. Otherwise, they'd just include him in the trade.
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1/17/2011  8:45 AM
RonRon wrote:I am really surprised someone is still willing to give a 1st rounder for AR, especially if it is a lottery team. He has shown no flashes of his old self at all this year. I wonder if their are really offers or if these are rumors using the media to attract offers.

Yup... any value he has is based on what he did before his ankle injury, because he has shown nothing here.

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1/17/2011  8:49 AM
BigSm00th wrote:
RonRon wrote:I am really surprised someone is still willing to give a 1st rounder for AR, especially if it is a lottery team. He has shown no flashes of his old self at all this year. I wonder if their are really offers or if these are rumors using the media to attract offers.

look at his game log last year and remember he's only 21 years old. he's younger than landry fields! the guy can play without a doubt, its whether he has the right mentality. plenty of players have physical skills and never put it together (see: curry, eddy).


AR won't be happy until he plays on a team that builds its offense around him... and that will not happen in the NBA.
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1/17/2011  9:09 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
giantfan216 wrote:If they are dealing AR for a 1st rounder they must know Denver is willing to listen to potential packages for Melo. Next week or so will be interesting.

And maybe they know that Denver has no interest in AR. Otherwise, they'd just include him in the trade.

I don't think DEN was ever interested in AR as a piece in the trade. They've always wanted picks included. It's obvious he wants tonplay here so there is no reason to overpay or seem anxious which DW clearly understands.

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