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1/15/2011  3:28 PM
This is the best assessment I've read about AR - so far;

Anthony Randolph has much less value than it seems. His potential is phenomenal, but potential and a dollar will buy you a double cheeseburger at McDonald’s. There is a huge, huge difference between potential value and actual value. Let’s go over what we now about him, since he’s been acquired by the Knicks:
- He’s publicly pouted that he had to move
- He’s “gained 15 pounds of muscle”
- He’s worked on his jumper over and over to the point that it “actually looked good”
- He’s showed up in camp looking jacked and running with the second team
- He’s started the year off playing a little bit, but has looked bad (shooting 18 foot contested jump shots) during his burn
- He’s sat on the bench for awhile while guys like Shawne Williams and Bill Walker came from nowhere started to get burn, reportedly because they had been impressing in practice
- He’s requested a trade

Here are a couple of things to focus on:
- Anthony Randolph, when he plays in games, should never shoot jump shots. He has never been matched up against someone, at any point this season, when shooting was the best option. Not once.
- Anthony Randolph, when he plays, only shoots jump shots
- It doesn’t matter how much he works on his jump shooting, he isn’t put in the game, ever, for his jump shot

You see, there’s a sad, sad mental affliction that affects some big men (Lamar Odom for the earlier parts of his career, DeMarcus Cousins, from what I’ve seen so far, etc.), and it’s basically that they wish they were guards. Point guards and shooting guards are the glamor positions in the NBA, regardless of the exploits of LeBron James and Kevin Durant. Therefore, a ton of taller guys grew up modeling themselves after shorter guys, so when they get to play big ball they continue to want to dribble between their legs, cross guys over, and shoot contested long-twos all because those moves are “jordan-esque.”
That’s what’s wrong with Anthony Randolph. I know he’s a young guy and still has a ton of learning to do. But when you get burn and you still refuse to play like a big man (what the Knicks need) and continue to play like a swingman (the last thing the Knicks need), you are just not going to get it. No matter what your potential is, your actual value is being drowned.

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1/15/2011  3:36 PM
AR doesn't get it. Don Nelson couldn't wait to get rid of the guy. D'Antoni sees no reason to give the guy burn. The guy's head is not on straight. From the moment he entered the draft the guy had unrealizable potential written all over him...
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1/15/2011  4:05 PM
Throughout most of his HS and his year in college, I expect that coaches have let him do his thing because it was easier than trying to mold him into a disciplined player. Even Nelson, who had problems with him, would let him bring the ball up the court and play point forward at times.

I used to comment on AR's desire to do everything with the ball before he became a Knick- he has never been able to settle down and play in a controlled fashion. I hope that he is able to do this someday, but I don't see it happening on a team which wants to win now.

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1/15/2011  9:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/15/2011  9:11 PM
VDesai wrote:AR doesn't get it. Don Nelson couldn't wait to get rid of the guy. D'Antoni sees no reason to give the guy burn. The guy's head is not on straight. From the moment he entered the draft the guy had unrealizable potential written all over him...

I am so tired of this AR has potential comments. Potential doesn't mean jack **** unless you also have the maturity and descipline to harness it and make use of it. And if you are the type of person that needs constant hand holding to succeed you were better of staying in college. Its is NOT an NBA head coach's job to spend time with you building your confidence or whatever other crap people keep talking about. You either get it or you dont. This is a high stakes game with a lot riding on it and if you are a touchy feely whiny kid with loads of talent and no brains, then you are in a bad situation regardless of what team you are on. My message to AR is simple: You want playing time? Grow a set, and get over your delusional offensive game.

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1/16/2011  12:00 AM
loweyecue wrote:
VDesai wrote:AR doesn't get it. Don Nelson couldn't wait to get rid of the guy. D'Antoni sees no reason to give the guy burn. The guy's head is not on straight. From the moment he entered the draft the guy had unrealizable potential written all over him...

I am so tired of this AR has potential comments. Potential doesn't mean jack **** unless you also have the maturity and descipline to harness it and make use of it. And if you are the type of person that needs constant hand holding to succeed you were better of staying in college. Its is NOT an NBA head coach's job to spend time with you building your confidence or whatever other crap people keep talking about. You either get it or you dont. This is a high stakes game with a lot riding on it and if you are a touchy feely whiny kid with loads of talent and no brains, then you are in a bad situation regardless of what team you are on. My message to AR is simple: You want playing time? Grow a set, and get over your delusional offensive game.

He only played in 23 games last year because of an injury but he put up very good numbers and was only 20. Check out his game log and see if it changes your opinion on him.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4476/gamelog;_ylt=Aq_X_HVxGfHL3MaNS_je2e_ZPaB4?year=2009

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1/16/2011  12:07 AM
It's not about what AR did last year!!! We all saw the talent and so did Donnie and MDA. At some point tho there has to be some kind of tangible production or growth. MDA is seeing this kid every single day of practice and i'm positive that the other coaches are getting into his head and trying to get him to understand his role. Clearly he's not able to do what he's being asked to do.
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1/16/2011  12:10 AM
nixluva wrote:It's not about what AR did last year!!! We all saw the talent and so did Donnie and MDA. At some point tho there has to be some kind of tangible production or growth. MDA is seeing this kid every single day of practice and i'm positive that the other coaches are getting into his head and trying to get him to understand his role. Clearly he's not able to do what he's being asked to do.

I thought the knicks were having limited practice time to rest the starters so that they could play mega minutes.
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1/16/2011  12:17 AM
nixluva wrote:It's not about what AR did last year!!! We all saw the talent and so did Donnie and MDA. At some point tho there has to be some kind of tangible production or growth. MDA is seeing this kid every single day of practice and i'm positive that the other coaches are getting into his head and trying to get him to understand his role. Clearly he's not able to do what he's being asked to do.

I think the talent that made Jordan Hill the 8th pick in the draft was seen by Walsh as well. Unfortunately guys that need a chance to play and make mistakes and be coached have no place in D'Antoni's rotation despite their talent and potential. This year is very different from last year so finding Randolph minutes is obviously harder but developing young, talented big men is not something this coach has had any interest in doing while in NY except for a 24 yr. old free agent signing.
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1/16/2011  12:37 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
loweyecue wrote:
VDesai wrote:AR doesn't get it. Don Nelson couldn't wait to get rid of the guy. D'Antoni sees no reason to give the guy burn. The guy's head is not on straight. From the moment he entered the draft the guy had unrealizable potential written all over him...

I am so tired of this AR has potential comments. Potential doesn't mean jack **** unless you also have the maturity and descipline to harness it and make use of it. And if you are the type of person that needs constant hand holding to succeed you were better of staying in college. Its is NOT an NBA head coach's job to spend time with you building your confidence or whatever other crap people keep talking about. You either get it or you dont. This is a high stakes game with a lot riding on it and if you are a touchy feely whiny kid with loads of talent and no brains, then you are in a bad situation regardless of what team you are on. My message to AR is simple: You want playing time? Grow a set, and get over your delusional offensive game.

He only played in 23 games last year because of an injury but he put up very good numbers and was only 20. Check out his game log and see if it changes your opinion on him.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4476/gamelog;_ylt=Aq_X_HVxGfHL3MaNS_je2e_ZPaB4?year=2009

You're asking people to use look at facts- that's a bit much around here.
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1/16/2011  1:05 AM
23 games on a terrible team, facs indeed!
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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1/16/2011  1:07 AM
loweyecue wrote:
VDesai wrote:AR doesn't get it. Don Nelson couldn't wait to get rid of the guy. D'Antoni sees no reason to give the guy burn. The guy's head is not on straight. From the moment he entered the draft the guy had unrealizable potential written all over him...

I am so tired of this AR has potential comments. Potential doesn't mean jack **** unless you also have the maturity and descipline to harness it and make use of it. And if you are the type of person that needs constant hand holding to succeed you were better of staying in college. Its is NOT an NBA head coach's job to spend time with you building your confidence or whatever other crap people keep talking about. You either get it or you dont. This is a high stakes game with a lot riding on it and if you are a touchy feely whiny kid with loads of talent and no brains, then you are in a bad situation regardless of what team you are on. My message to AR is simple: You want playing time? Grow a set, and get over your delusional offensive game.

I'm tired of hearing of what AR needs... screw that. I'm more concerned about what the New York Knicks need

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1/16/2011  8:25 AM
simrud wrote:23 games on a terrible team, facs indeed!
Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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1/16/2011  8:25 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:
loweyecue wrote:
VDesai wrote:AR doesn't get it. Don Nelson couldn't wait to get rid of the guy. D'Antoni sees no reason to give the guy burn. The guy's head is not on straight. From the moment he entered the draft the guy had unrealizable potential written all over him...

I am so tired of this AR has potential comments. Potential doesn't mean jack **** unless you also have the maturity and descipline to harness it and make use of it. And if you are the type of person that needs constant hand holding to succeed you were better of staying in college. Its is NOT an NBA head coach's job to spend time with you building your confidence or whatever other crap people keep talking about. You either get it or you dont. This is a high stakes game with a lot riding on it and if you are a touchy feely whiny kid with loads of talent and no brains, then you are in a bad situation regardless of what team you are on. My message to AR is simple: You want playing time? Grow a set, and get over your delusional offensive game.

I'm tired of hearing of what AR needs... screw that. I'm more concerned about what the New York Knicks need

Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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1/16/2011  10:08 AM
Well, Jordan Hill has every opportunity now to command the starting job (and huge minutes) in Houston. There's playing through mistakes and producing. Hill doesn't do either in a consistent basis.

Randolph is very different. Based on his tenure with Golden State, Randolph seems fully capable of stat-sheet stuffing numbers when he gets playing time. The apparent issue is that his time on the floor is so mistake-riddled that it undermines team play and a winning culture.


CrushAlot wrote:
nixluva wrote:It's not about what AR did last year!!! We all saw the talent and so did Donnie and MDA. At some point tho there has to be some kind of tangible production or growth. MDA is seeing this kid every single day of practice and i'm positive that the other coaches are getting into his head and trying to get him to understand his role. Clearly he's not able to do what he's being asked to do.

I think the talent that made Jordan Hill the 8th pick in the draft was seen by Walsh as well. Unfortunately guys that need a chance to play and make mistakes and be coached have no place in D'Antoni's rotation despite their talent and potential. This year is very different from last year so finding Randolph minutes is obviously harder but developing young, talented big men is not something this coach has had any interest in doing while in NY except for a 24 yr. old free agent signing.
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1/16/2011  10:09 AM
Wanted to play the point at LSU and they let him.

I wonder if he goes to another team if it makes any difference in his game?

I like the idea of developing the yoots. I thought we are rebuilding?
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1/16/2011  12:23 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/16/2011  12:23 PM
all this stuff about AR only producing on crappy teams & not being able to contribute to a winning culture seems hollow to me... using that as a parameter pretty much every Knick player for the past several years would fall into the same category... we heard the exact same things about Jamal Crawford, now he's an essential key component of a playoff team... AR still needs work developing his game & on his approach to the game, i don't think this is news to anyone, but his talent is undeniable... when u have a 20 yo putting up the kinds of statlines he put up last season, bad team or not, you have to figure he's got it in him to be a very good player in this league... if he was doing that on the Knicks last year most people here would consider him an untouchable, let's be real about it... unfortunately he & our coach have not meshed & he's completely out of the running for minutes in this rotation as it looks right now... it does no good to have him sitting on the bench & wanting to be traded, it's not good for team chemistry & it's not good for his development either... we need to trade him now before this becomes another source for unnecessary drama over the course of the season & MDA gets fed up with the questions & issues another one of his tactless comments to the media.
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1/16/2011  12:38 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
loweyecue wrote:
VDesai wrote:AR doesn't get it. Don Nelson couldn't wait to get rid of the guy. D'Antoni sees no reason to give the guy burn. The guy's head is not on straight. From the moment he entered the draft the guy had unrealizable potential written all over him...

I am so tired of this AR has potential comments. Potential doesn't mean jack **** unless you also have the maturity and descipline to harness it and make use of it. And if you are the type of person that needs constant hand holding to succeed you were better of staying in college. Its is NOT an NBA head coach's job to spend time with you building your confidence or whatever other crap people keep talking about. You either get it or you dont. This is a high stakes game with a lot riding on it and if you are a touchy feely whiny kid with loads of talent and no brains, then you are in a bad situation regardless of what team you are on. My message to AR is simple: You want playing time? Grow a set, and get over your delusional offensive game.

He only played in 23 games last year because of an injury but he put up very good numbers and was only 20. Check out his game log and see if it changes your opinion on him.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4476/gamelog;_ylt=Aq_X_HVxGfHL3MaNS_je2e_ZPaB4?year=2009

Where exactly did I deny his potential? AR was in our starting rotation this year and what did he do? He sucked ass. So what he did in golden state was enough to get him in that rotation, what he did since then has been enough to get him out of it and to keep him out of it. This team needs him to play a role which he can't or more possibly won't play. What he did at golden state is irrelevant. He has the tools to succeed even here but not the mindset. We play a system here and no we are not golden state, so if he can't figure that out he needs to sit.

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1/16/2011  12:39 PM
TMS wrote:all this stuff about AR only producing on crappy teams & not being able to contribute to a winning culture seems hollow to me... using that as a parameter pretty much every Knick player for the past several years would fall into the same category... we heard the exact same things about Jamal Crawford, now he's an essential key component of a playoff team... AR still needs work developing his game & on his approach to the game, i don't think this is news to anyone, but his talent is undeniable... when u have a 20 yo putting up the kinds of statlines he put up last season, bad team or not, you have to figure he's got it in him to be a very good player in this league... if he was doing that on the Knicks last year most people here would consider him an untouchable, let's be real about it... unfortunately he & our coach have not meshed & he's completely out of the running for minutes in this rotation as it looks right now... it does no good to have him sitting on the bench & wanting to be traded, it's not good for team chemistry & it's not good for his development either... we need to trade him now before this becomes another source for unnecessary drama over the course of the season & MDA gets fed up with the questions & issues another one of his tactless comments to the media.

you totally missed the point of the original post. the guy doesn't do what he needs to do, he's in his own little world, he refuses to recognize the reality in front of his nose hairs.

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1/16/2011  12:50 PM
I just don't believe that MDA would look at what Randolph did in the past and simply dismiss it. I have to believe that he has tried to work with Randolph and AR did has not adapted and played the style of ball MDA wanted him to play... ergo, he sat.

I saw Fields from day one, and I could just tell that this guy "got it." I saw Randolph in the pre-season and thought that his injury had really diminished his athleticism, and without the athleticism he was a limited player, who could not do the little things which endear a player to a coach.

Players think of MDA's system as very player friendly (guys always talk about the freedom it gives you), and I suppose that it is, but players have to make the right decisions at the right times, and if abuse the freedom that they have been given they will have minutes taken from them or they will end up on the bench.

Wish that AR had worked out for us, but I think that his limits as a player were exposed, and if we can get something of value for him now, I would do it before it is too late.

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