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BRIGGS
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1/13/2011  1:57 PM
for low money both young and perfect bench players for this system. Something like 4 years 10mm
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1/13/2011  1:59 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/13/2011  1:59 PM
nothing will get done until the Melo situation is taken care of, but i would have no problem extending both those guys after the dust settles
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1/13/2011  2:12 PM
TMS wrote:nothing will get done until the Melo situation is taken care of, but i would have no problem extending both those guys after the dust settles

Hopefully he gets traded to the Nets.

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1/13/2011  2:26 PM
Of the two- I would make Williams my priority if I could only keep one of them. Walker is better with the ball, but Williams can play some D, rebound, and he can play both forward positions.

The Knicks are a pretty good fit for both of them.

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1/13/2011  2:28 PM
I'd keep Williams depending on the deal. The only concern I have is how well he shoots with someone in his face. Most of the time as others have pointed out he is wide open. The playoffs should give us a better idea of what he's worth.
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1/13/2011  2:32 PM
not for me. Both have to demonstrate defense and willingness to improve/change their respective games.
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1/13/2011  2:44 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:nothing will get done until the Melo situation is taken care of, but i would have no problem extending both those guys after the dust settles

Hopefully he gets traded to the Nets.

hopefully you're wrong just like you were with David Lee

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1/13/2011  2:44 PM
FYI, Knicks have no FA rights to Williams. If they want to resign him this summer, Knicks will need pure cap room, an exception (Bi-annual partial MLE), or a minimum contract.

Walker is another story - Knicks will have his full Bird Rights in 2012 and he'll only have a $1.8m cap hold.
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1/13/2011  2:49 PM
Knickoftime wrote:FYI, Knicks have no FA rights to Williams. If they want to resign him this summer, Knicks will need pure cap room, an exception (Bi-annual partial MLE), or a minimum contract.

Walker is another story - Knicks will have his full Bird Rights in 2012 and he'll only have a $1.8m cap hold.

This is true. But Williams was signed as a favor to he and agent, so I think he'll stick another year and try to gain the same rights as Walker... if he can.

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1/13/2011  2:50 PM
Knickoftime wrote:FYI, Knicks have no FA rights to Williams. If they want to resign him this summer, Knicks will need pure cap room, an exception (Bi-annual partial MLE), or a minimum contract.

Walker is another story - Knicks will have his full Bird Rights in 2012 and he'll only have a $1.8m cap hold.

the LLE or part of the MLE would be the way to sign him, i agree... dunno if those exceptions will be available in the next CBA yet tho

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1/13/2011  5:24 PM
They've both played well, especially Williams, but I remain skeptical of their games. I honestly don't know exactly why. I just don't believe they are long-term rotation players on a championship team. I think they're both legitimate NBA players, but more like 9, 10 or 11 on the depth chart of a good team. I therefore wouldn't do anything for them that could affect my flexibility and ability to sign a legitimate rotation guy.

Only caveat to the above is if Shawne keeps shooting the way he's been, I reserve the right to reconsider, but I can't believe he will keep it up.
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1/13/2011  6:03 PM
"Only caveat to the above is if Shawne keeps shooting the way he's been, I reserve the right to reconsider, but I can't believe he will keep it up."

Hold up, Shawne Williams just hit another three

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1/13/2011  6:21 PM
Paladin55 wrote:Of the two- I would make Williams my priority if I could only keep one of them. Walker is better with the ball, but Williams can play some D, rebound, and he can play both forward positions.

The Knicks are a pretty good fit for both of them.


Williams plays zero defense. Money spot up shooter, but thats all he can do.
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1/13/2011  6:35 PM
"Williams plays zero defense"

tj23 - what are you basing this comment on?

Do you have any signature defensive lapses or stats on Williams' matchups that you would care to share?

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1/13/2011  8:52 PM
martin wrote:not for me. Both have to demonstrate defense and willingness to improve/change their respective games.

I think that Williams has some defensive sense and makes the effort to guard his man.

He is also a niche player, in my eyes- a guy who can give you instant offense in the right circumstances, and does not have to handle the ball too much to score his points.

15-20 MPG, with 5-8 shots/game- he can be a somewhat less flashy version of what Cazzie Russell was in a different era.

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1/13/2011  9:33 PM
Walker bothers me. He's another guy that can be a great player on a losing team.

He comes in at 2 guard and makes a lot of positive plays, but he makes a lot of bad defensive plays and takes a lot of shots out of the offensive rhythm that lead to break outs for the opponent. He's the anti-Fields.

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1/13/2011  9:38 PM
I'm not really big on Walker, but Williams is a perfect fit here. I think Azubuike would be better than Walker.
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1/13/2011  9:46 PM
TMS wrote:nothing will get done until the Melo situation is taken care of, but i would have no problem extending both those guys after the dust settles

Funny how 2 months ago we wanted nothing to do with him, especially after his awful SL stint.

Now after a few good games were talking contract extension, thats why this league has a bunch of over paid players. That was becoming the norm, go on a little stretch , play real well in a playoff series, earns yourself a fat payday.

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1/13/2011  10:06 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
TMS wrote:nothing will get done until the Melo situation is taken care of, but i would have no problem extending both those guys after the dust settles

Funny how 2 months ago we wanted nothing to do with him, especially after his awful SL stint.

Now after a few good games were talking contract extension, thats why this league has a bunch of over paid players. That was becoming the norm, go on a little stretch , play real well in a playoff series, earns yourself a fat payday.

i don't think anyone was looking at extending SW to a fat extension... i was thinking more along the lines of the LLE, or part of the MLE, if those are even available to us in the next CBA.

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1/13/2011  10:07 PM
VDesai wrote:I'm not really big on Walker, but Williams is a perfect fit here. I think Azubuike would be better than Walker.

i agree w/u... but Buike's gotta prove he can come back & be healthy for him to even be an option.

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