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Elite
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1/12/2011  8:48 PM
Felton fg 44% ppg 18.1 reb 3.9 ast 8.8 st 1.9 to 3.4

CP3 - fg 49% ppg 16.7 reb 4.5 ast 9.7 st 2.8 to 2.4

DWill - fg 45% ppg 21.8 reb 3.7 ast 9.3 st 1.1 to 3.4

Derrick ROose - fg %45 ppg 24.3 reb 4.5 ast 8.1 st 1.1 to 3.6

Rajon Rondo fg% 51 ppg 10.6 reb 4.5 ast 13.4 st 2.5 to 4.1


Rank these 5 PGs on stats alone dont look at the names.. i say 2,3,4,1,5

that puts Felton 4th best pg in the league.. and honestly u can argue his numbers against anyone.. he is truly playing like an ELITE pg
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1/12/2011  8:52 PM
u forgot to add Steve Nash - fg 53% ppg 16.9 reb 3.4 ast 10.6 st .6 to 3.5
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1/12/2011  8:53 PM
Man. That 2005 NBA Draft is looking really good.

Produced 3 Elite PGs along with these players.

Bogut, Bynum, Granger, DLee, Monta Ellis and a slew of others.
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1/12/2011  10:28 PM
Elite wrote:Felton fg 44% ppg 18.1 reb 3.9 ast 8.8 st 1.9 to 3.4

CP3 - fg 49% ppg 16.7 reb 4.5 ast 9.7 st 2.8 to 2.4

DWill - fg 45% ppg 21.8 reb 3.7 ast 9.3 st 1.1 to 3.4

Derrick ROose - fg %45 ppg 24.3 reb 4.5 ast 8.1 st 1.1 to 3.6

Rajon Rondo fg% 51 ppg 10.6 reb 4.5 ast 13.4 st 2.5 to 4.1


Rank these 5 PGs on stats alone dont look at the names.. i say 2,3,4,1,5

that puts Felton 4th best pg in the league.. and honestly u can argue his numbers against anyone.. he is truly playing like an ELITE pg

CP3 also shoots 46% on 3 ptrs. He's a really efficient scorer and his assist to TO ration is like 4 to 1.

I don't know where Felton stacks up statistically but he's tough and he came into a city where a lot of guys wil and him and amare have turned this team around.
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1/12/2011  10:28 PM
Yeah Felton is looking like a steal now. He's playing on an elite level and kind of removes the need for us to get CP3 or someone like him. If we could sign 2 stars now, we'd be stupid to add an elite guard when we basically have one that we signed b4 he started playing like one.
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1/12/2011  10:33 PM
can't forget Russell Westbrook either in this conversation fg 43% ppg 21.9 reb 4.9 ast 8 st 2.0 to 3.8

Tony Parker & John Wall not too far behind.

whereever he stacks up, i'm happy to have a top 7 PG in the NBA... his personality & playing style fits NYC perfectly

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1/12/2011  10:52 PM
Something I was wondering: A year from now, if he's still producing similar numbers to what he's producing today - would a team offer him a max contract? We'll have to evaluate that come at the end of the 2011-2012 season...
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1/12/2011  11:50 PM
Haven't looked at the stats but Kidd's name is worth mentioning. He's no longer an elite pg, but a hall of fame floor general for sure.
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1/13/2011  12:54 AM
You have to adjust for playing time. 17 PPG and 10 assists in 35 min (Paul) is better than 18 and 9 in 39 min (Felton). Or you can just look at ESPN's PER ratings--They're much better than any visual rating fans will make.
Paul: 26.44 (NBA league leader)
Nash: 23.98
Westbrook: 23.24
Williams: 22.94
Rose: 22.93
Parker: 20.62
Curry: 19.65
Harris: 19.51
Rondo: 19.26
Miller: 19.03
Felton: 18.73
NBA Average: 15.00
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That's everyone on your list and the other PGs ahead of Felton. All of those players are having VERY good seasons and we got great value in Felton on a cheap contract but I'd put a meaningful separation between Felton and at least Paul, Nash, Williams, Westbrook, and Rose.
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1/13/2011  7:08 AM
While PER is a good measuring stick I think there are a lot of intangibles that are necessary from the PG are not accounted for and probably can't be.

Guys like Westbrook, Rose, Curry, etc initiate the offense but I think they are kind of like Point Shooting guards. I personally think Ray has a floor general quality and defensive quality some guys above him lack. Rondo has to improve his FT% and FG% before I can consider him elite. Plus I don't know about him making guys better as opposed to just feeding the big 3.

I think there are few point guards in the league that have a mix of talents that I would consider elite true PG's. Paul, Deron, Nelson, Kidd those guys seem like true PG's to me and I think Ray exhibits some of the same qualities.

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1/13/2011  7:16 AM
I can't believe Rondo shoots 43% from the charity stripe!
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1/13/2011  8:27 AM
joec32033 wrote:While PER is a good measuring stick I think there are a lot of intangibles that are necessary from the PG are not accounted for and probably can't be.

Guys like Westbrook, Rose, Curry, etc initiate the offense but I think they are kind of like Point Shooting guards. I personally think Ray has a floor general quality and defensive quality some guys above him lack. Rondo has to improve his FT% and FG% before I can consider him elite. Plus I don't know about him making guys better as opposed to just feeding the big 3.

I think there are few point guards in the league that have a mix of talents that I would consider elite true PG's. Paul, Deron, Nelson, Kidd those guys seem like true PG's to me and I think Ray exhibits some of the same qualities.

I do agree about the intangibles part - the will to win. Felton is like Charlie Ward, but with an offensive game, or the Christ Childs we thought we were getting when we signed him.

I think everyone would agree that in terms of FA signings over the summer, he represents one of the best values.
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1/13/2011  8:33 AM
franco12 wrote:
joec32033 wrote:While PER is a good measuring stick I think there are a lot of intangibles that are necessary from the PG are not accounted for and probably can't be.

Guys like Westbrook, Rose, Curry, etc initiate the offense but I think they are kind of like Point Shooting guards. I personally think Ray has a floor general quality and defensive quality some guys above him lack. Rondo has to improve his FT% and FG% before I can consider him elite. Plus I don't know about him making guys better as opposed to just feeding the big 3.

I think there are few point guards in the league that have a mix of talents that I would consider elite true PG's. Paul, Deron, Nelson, Kidd those guys seem like true PG's to me and I think Ray exhibits some of the same qualities.

I do agree about the intangibles part - the will to win. Felton is like Charlie Ward, but with an offensive game, or the Christ Childs we thought we were getting when we signed him.

I think everyone would agree that in terms of FA signings over the summer, he represents one of the best values.

we thought he was going to be THAT good?
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1/13/2011  9:45 AM
Elite wrote:Felton fg 44% ppg 18.1 reb 3.9 ast 8.8 st 1.9 to 3.4

CP3 - fg 49% ppg 16.7 reb 4.5 ast 9.7 st 2.8 to 2.4

DWill - fg 45% ppg 21.8 reb 3.7 ast 9.3 st 1.1 to 3.4

Derrick ROose - fg %45 ppg 24.3 reb 4.5 ast 8.1 st 1.1 to 3.6

Rajon Rondo fg% 51 ppg 10.6 reb 4.5 ast 13.4 st 2.5 to 4.1


Rank these 5 PGs on stats alone dont look at the names.. i say 2,3,4,1,5

that puts Felton 4th best pg in the league.. and honestly u can argue his numbers against anyone.. he is truly playing like an ELITE pg

You should add salary as bang for the buck is a factor that can't be ignored in pro sports.
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1/13/2011  12:47 PM
joec32033 wrote:While PER is a good measuring stick I think there are a lot of intangibles that are necessary from the PG are not accounted for and probably can't be.

Guys like Westbrook, Rose, Curry, etc initiate the offense but I think they are kind of like Point Shooting guards. I personally think Ray has a floor general quality and defensive quality some guys above him lack. Rondo has to improve his FT% and FG% before I can consider him elite. Plus I don't know about him making guys better as opposed to just feeding the big 3.

I think there are few point guards in the league that have a mix of talents that I would consider elite true PG's. Paul, Deron, Nelson, Kidd those guys seem like true PG's to me and I think Ray exhibits some of the same qualities.

I totally agree. Except for having Jamir Nelson as an ELite PG.
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1/13/2011  12:50 PM
Killa4luv wrote:
joec32033 wrote:While PER is a good measuring stick I think there are a lot of intangibles that are necessary from the PG are not accounted for and probably can't be.

Guys like Westbrook, Rose, Curry, etc initiate the offense but I think they are kind of like Point Shooting guards. I personally think Ray has a floor general quality and defensive quality some guys above him lack. Rondo has to improve his FT% and FG% before I can consider him elite. Plus I don't know about him making guys better as opposed to just feeding the big 3.

I think there are few point guards in the league that have a mix of talents that I would consider elite true PG's. Paul, Deron, Nelson, Kidd those guys seem like true PG's to me and I think Ray exhibits some of the same qualities.

I totally agree. Except for having Jamir Nelson as an ELite PG.

You are probably right but before he got injured in that year he threatened to be an All Star he was well on his way, imo. I always like Jameer and his style. He qualifies as an underrated PG to me.

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