Batum
- His last three games; 5-13, 9-16, 4-15 from the field
- Averaging 11.1 ppg with 4.5 rpg and 1.3 apg
- Not a big steal or block guy
- This guy would not get minutes over the top five wings on our team (Gallo/Chandler/Williams/Walker/Fields)

I'm reading that in an ideal world, Denver would like to end up with these two guys as building blocks.

Presumably, they would end up with;

Lawson
Smith/Morrow
Batum
Favors
Nene/Birdman

This is what they're holding out for? I don't get it. Can someone help me with this? I'm not Gallo's biggest fan, but how do our forwards not have a higher valuation than Batum and Favors with a couple of draft picks? Are they just trying to wow their fan-base with the mystery of upside?

JohnWallace44 wrote:Are they just trying to wow their fan-base with the mystery of upside?

Yes. I think that Gallo's perceived value has taken a beating because of all the pre-Amar'e ESPN hate. It doesn't matter from a basketball ops perspective, but whe n you're trying to save face with your fans it matters a great deal

TheGame wrote:The thing is NJ's draft picks are going to be alot higher than ours. Plus, Favors is a solid prospect. I personally think they would be better off with a package of Chandler or Gallo along with TD, Curry, and Walker and a 1st round pick from trading AR and 2 second round picks. While NJ's offer is probably slightly better, our offer would not be chump change.

looks like NJ's 2nd pick is protected and could eventually turn into a 2013 2nd rd and a 2015 second rd.

Nets receive the Warriors' 2011 first-round pick (lottery protected in 2011, top 11 protected in 2012, top 10 protected in 2013, if not conveyed by 2013, Nets will instead receive the Warriors' 2013 and 2015 second-round picks) (Marcus Williams trade 07-22-08)

Chandler is better than Batum, but he's not controlled after this year, so OK.
Gallo... he's gotta have a higher value than Batum. Its not like Batum is doing anything crazy on defense and Gallo is controlled beyond this year.

Also, I could understand the Favors stuff more if they were lacking for size, but Denver has Birdman and Nene and will have them for quite a while.

I'd be trying to get Chandler/Gallo if I was them because they could theoretically be the same team at a cheaper figure with that team. Favors and Batum aren't ready to win games for them yet.

I guess it just doesn't make sense to me especially to hear the media just say "New York just doesn't have the pieces." Really? I have to think any combination of AR/Gallo/Chandler/Fields has got to be pretty darn valuable.

fishmike wrote:I believe they are also asking for 3-4 first rounders. The Nets have 5 first rounders in the next 2 years. If the Knicks are going to come close to offering those picks they will need to ransom off Douglas, AR, Gallo, etc and put a package of several picks around Chandler + Fields.

Your looking at gutting a young and winning roster to end up with Amare/Felton/Melo

Hey.. thats not bad, but I think we are better off being patient. I Think our young players are going to be very good (already are) and we just dont need to rip apart the roster and pay $20mm to a 2nd tier star.

the picks NJ owns....besides their own...are all protected...

"Draft picks are unknowns. The Nets’ 2011 first-rounder will almost certainly be a lottery pick, though it’s possible New Jersey could finish above a half-dozen teams depending on what happens with Anthony and the cast slated to come to Jersey with him. Who knows where New Jersey’s 2012 pick ends up. The Nets own Houston’s 2012 first-rounder, but that has top-14 protection through the 2016 draft. The 2011 first-rounder the Nets got from the Lakers has top-18 protection that won’t have to be invoked, since it will end up near the bottom of the first round. Even the Golden State pick that New Jersey owns, one of the prizes in any Melo deal, has more limited protections that last several seasons."

I believe the GS pick is protected as follows:

Nets receive the Warriors' 2011 first-round pick (lottery protected in 2011, top 11 protected in 2012, top 10 protected in 2013, if not conveyed by 2013, Nets will instead receive the Warriors' 2013 and 2015 second-round picks) (Marcus Williams trade 07-22-08)

AnubisADL wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:Favors
- 27th in the NBA in REB/48min: 13.0
- Landry gets 11.0 per 48 from the guard position
- Favors is averaging 6.7 ppg on 57% shooting
- Landry is averaging 10.2 on 52% shooting and doing so on a winning team while Favors can't get starter minutes on one of the worst teams in the league

Batum
- His last three games; 5-13, 9-16, 4-15 from the field
- Averaging 11.1 ppg with 4.5 rpg and 1.3 apg
- Not a big steal or block guy
- This guy would not get minutes over the top five wings on our team (Gallo/Chandler/Williams/Walker/Fields)

I'm reading that in an ideal world, Denver would like to end up with these two guys as building blocks.

Presumably, they would end up with;

Lawson
Smith/Morrow
Batum
Favors
Nene/Birdman

This is what they're holding out for? I don't get it. Can someone help me with this? I'm not Gallo's biggest fan, but how do our forwards not have a higher valuation than Batum and Favors with a couple of draft picks? Are they just trying to wow their fan-base with the mystery of upside?

We dont have much to offer Denver considering Anthony Randolph had been a monumental BUST for us. Gallinari is talented but he has to be paid summer 2012. Chandler has to be paid summer 2011. For a team in rebuild mode paying those guys in 1-2 yrs is not an option especially in the highly competitive east.

Your Melo team will look like this:
C Amare
PF Al Harrington
SF Melo
SG Walker
PG Felton
bench: Williams, Mosgov, Mason Jr, Rautins

I have no doubt Walsh could make this happen if it was his MO. Dude knows how to make NBA trades.

Luckily he knows our current team is better than this one and wont do it

JohnWallace44 wrote:Favors
- 27th in the NBA in REB/48min: 13.0
- Landry gets 11.0 per 48 from the guard position
- Favors is averaging 6.7 ppg on 57% shooting
- Landry is averaging 10.2 on 52% shooting and doing so on a winning team while Favors can't get starter minutes on one of the worst teams in the league

Batum
- His last three games; 5-13, 9-16, 4-15 from the field
- Averaging 11.1 ppg with 4.5 rpg and 1.3 apg
- Not a big steal or block guy
- This guy would not get minutes over the top five wings on our team (Gallo/Chandler/Williams/Walker/Fields)

I'm reading that in an ideal world, Denver would like to end up with these two guys as building blocks.

Presumably, they would end up with;

Lawson
Smith/Morrow
Batum
Favors
Nene/Birdman

This is what they're holding out for? I don't get it. Can someone help me with this? I'm not Gallo's biggest fan, but how do our forwards not have a higher valuation than Batum and Favors with a couple of draft picks? Are they just trying to wow their fan-base with the mystery of upside?

Denver has no desire to deal w/the Knicks... it's not that they don't value our prospects... when their owner was present at his franchise player's wedding & had to listen to CP3 toast their future as the next big 3 on the Knicks, u gotta figure that put a disgusting taste in his mouth... IMO he has instructed Ujiri not to even consider trading him to the Knicks... no way in hell that Nicolas Batum is a better NBA prospect than Danilo or Wilson C, i'm sorry.

Killa4luv wrote:

fishmike wrote:I believe they are also asking for 3-4 first rounders. The Nets have 5 first rounders in the next 2 years. If the Knicks are going to come close to offering those picks they will need to ransom off Douglas, AR, Gallo, etc and put a package of several picks around Chandler + Fields.

Your looking at gutting a young and winning roster to end up with Amare/Felton/Melo

Hey.. thats not bad, but I think we are better off being patient. I Think our young players are going to be very good (already are) and we just dont need to rip apart the roster and pay $20mm to a 2nd tier star.

2nd tier star? Melo is one of the top 5, maybe top 3 offensive talents in the NBA. He has a complete offensive game, there is literally nothing he cannot do well with the ball.If he is 2nd tier you have to be able to name 10 - 12 stars who are first tier and better than him. It cannot be done. I am not talking about up and coming or past their primes, Im talking star in their prime right now.

3 point shooting?