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SlimChin
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1/12/2011  10:16 AM
do we really need him? this west coast trip kind of indicates otherwise. Walker, Williams and Turiaf have been picking up the slack both on the offense and defensive end; Bench has coming up big. if they beat the jazz tonight and go 3-1 on this road trip Gallo is looking more and more expendable.
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1/12/2011  10:40 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/12/2011  10:41 AM
gthot (get the heck out of town). We need Gallinari. He's a powerful baller, he can dish the rock, he'll swish the trey bucket, he'll dunk it, he'll get to the line more than anyone other than Amar'e, he'll play the defense (remember how he went right at LeBron, on both ends of the court?). He's clutch, he's young, he's tall. I mean, come on. How can anyone make the case that a player that can do all these things is not needed?

Look, we're balling hard. But that's not because Gallo is out. When Gallo comes back we'll ball even harder.

Kelly Tripuka, last night, post-game, "They NEED Gallinari".

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1/12/2011  10:43 AM
of course, when we win a game without him it looks like we don’t need him. when we lose a game without him it looks like we need him.
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1/12/2011  10:47 AM
too soon to say

The Knicks were 2-1 without Gallinari entering last night's game, having posted perhaps their season's two best victories over San Antonio and the Suns. It was hard not to wonder if he's expendable.

It wasn't until Sunday in L.A. when his absence was felt, as the Knicks shot just 36 percent. Shawne Williams started in Gallinari's spot and scored just eight points on 3-of-8 shooting.

"If you got Shawne Williams and he makes five of six, it's fine, but it's always one less guy to choose from," coach Mike D'Antoni said. "If you have two guys and both are off, you don't have that third guy that could get hot. That's where you kind of miss them over the long haul. Even stars, you don't miss for one game. Short spaces we can cover it."


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1/12/2011  10:48 AM
SlimChin wrote:do we really need him? this west coast trip kind of indicates otherwise. Walker, Williams and Turiaf have been picking up the slack both on the offense and defensive end; Bench has coming up big. if they beat the jazz tonight and go 3-1 on this road trip Gallo is looking more and more expendable.

Burn! Gallo is needed. He helps spread the floor for Amar'e to score 30 points a game.

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1/12/2011  10:55 AM
In the last 4 games, both Shawne Williams and Bill Walker have combined for 17 ppg and hit 14/35 from three (40%). Equal to what Danilo Gallinari was contributing.

The Gallinari homers can stick it. We don't need him. He's a VERY small piece to the puzzle. His role is just not that important. He's the 4th or 5th best player on this team.

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1/12/2011  10:57 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/12/2011  10:57 AM
KNICKSdom wrote:
SlimChin wrote:do we really need him? this west coast trip kind of indicates otherwise. Walker, Williams and Turiaf have been picking up the slack both on the offense and defensive end; Bench has coming up big. if they beat the jazz tonight and go 3-1 on this road trip Gallo is looking more and more expendable.

Burn! Gallo is needed. He helps spread the floor for Amar'e to score 30 points a game.

That's such a weak argument and you have nothing to back it up. I'm so tired of the Danilo Gallinari homers making him out to be this incredible outside shooter. He's not. He shoots in the low 40s and 37% from three. Wilson Chandler spreads the floor just as well as Gallinari. We also have more then enough outside shooters to get by without Gallinari and the last 4 games have proved it.

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1/12/2011  10:57 AM
Gallo will continue to improve...and he's 6'-10"....we need him. He's a keeper. As he gets stronger and starts to add an inside NBA ready game to his outside range...he could eventually become an inside/outside threat. Patience will serve the knicks well with Gallo
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1/12/2011  10:57 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/12/2011  10:59 AM
iSergio wrote:In the last 4 games, both Shawne Williams and Bill Walker have combined for 17 ppg and hit 14/35 from three (40%). Equal to what Danilo Gallinari was contributing.

The Gallinari homers can stick it. We don't need him. He's a VERY small piece to the puzzle. His role is just not that important. He's the 4th or 5th best player on this team.

What? Two players COMBINED to equal what Gallinari, alone, was contributing? And neither of those two have all the awesome extras that Gallinari quietly brings to the table every night. You're crazy, man. Straight putting a hat on yourself, man, mad as a hatter, from the Orange New Jersey hat factories, where the chemicals would seep into your brain and make you go crazy, or mad.

BALLLER, WHAT?!?!?!?! HATERS, GTHOT, HATERSSSSSs!!

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1/12/2011  10:59 AM
iSergio wrote:
KNICKSdom wrote:
SlimChin wrote:do we really need him? this west coast trip kind of indicates otherwise. Walker, Williams and Turiaf have been picking up the slack both on the offense and defensive end; Bench has coming up big. if they beat the jazz tonight and go 3-1 on this road trip Gallo is looking more and more expendable.

Burn! Gallo is needed. He helps spread the floor for Amar'e to score 30 points a game.

That's such a weak argument and you have nothing to back it up. I'm so tired of the Danilo Gallinari homers making him out to be this incredible outside shooter. He's not. He shoots in the low 40s and 37% from three. Wilson Chandler spreads the floor just as well as Gallinari. We also have more then enough outside shooters to get by without Gallinari and the last 4 games have proved it.

you are making Gallo out to be just a stiff-legged 3point shooter, and he's not.

How many FTs have Walker and Williams shot all year? total of what Gallo makes in like 4 games?

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1/12/2011  11:00 AM
orangeblobman wrote:
iSergio wrote:In the last 4 games, both Shawne Williams and Bill Walker have combined for 17 ppg and hit 14/35 from three (40%). Equal to what Danilo Gallinari was contributing.

The Gallinari homers can stick it. We don't need him. He's a VERY small piece to the puzzle. His role is just not that important. He's the 4th or 5th best player on this team.

What? Two players COMBINED to equal what Gallinari, alone, was contributing? And neither of those two have all the awesome extras that Gallinari quietly brings to the table every night.

BALLLER, WHAT?!?!?!?! HATERS, GTHOT, HATERSSSSSs!!

WHAT EXTRAS!!! What the heck are you all watching! Danilo Gallinari doesn't provide ANY intangibles! He's an outside shooter!!! He doesn't rebound, do the dirty work or play great shutdown defense (he's average).

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1/12/2011  11:03 AM
iSergio wrote:
KNICKSdom wrote:
SlimChin wrote:do we really need him? this west coast trip kind of indicates otherwise. Walker, Williams and Turiaf have been picking up the slack both on the offense and defensive end; Bench has coming up big. if they beat the jazz tonight and go 3-1 on this road trip Gallo is looking more and more expendable.

Burn! Gallo is needed. He helps spread the floor for Amar'e to score 30 points a game.

That's such a weak argument and you have nothing to back it up. I'm so tired of the Danilo Gallinari homers making him out to be this incredible outside shooter. He's not. He shoots in the low 40s and 37% from three. Wilson Chandler spreads the floor just as well as Gallinari. We also have more then enough outside shooters to get by without Gallinari and the last 4 games have proved it.

Do you watch Gallo play or are you sleepwalking watching them play? I don't need explain more, his game should speak for itself. He plays D, passes great, handles the ball well while running the floor, he goes to the line more than other Knicks and he is their best shooter on the team other than Shawne. He is young, still geting better and Amar'e likes him. What's not to like!? *stares*

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1/12/2011  11:04 AM
iSergio wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:
iSergio wrote:In the last 4 games, both Shawne Williams and Bill Walker have combined for 17 ppg and hit 14/35 from three (40%). Equal to what Danilo Gallinari was contributing.

The Gallinari homers can stick it. We don't need him. He's a VERY small piece to the puzzle. His role is just not that important. He's the 4th or 5th best player on this team.

What? Two players COMBINED to equal what Gallinari, alone, was contributing? And neither of those two have all the awesome extras that Gallinari quietly brings to the table every night.

BALLLER, WHAT?!?!?!?! HATERS, GTHOT, HATERSSSSSs!!

WHAT EXTRAS!!! What the heck are you all watching! Danilo Gallinari doesn't provide ANY intangibles! He's an outside shooter!!! He doesn't rebound, do the dirty work or play great shutdown defense (he's average).

he takes people off the dribble and gets to the line. He dunks ferociously. He rebounds also.

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1/12/2011  11:05 AM
martin wrote:
iSergio wrote:
KNICKSdom wrote:
SlimChin wrote:do we really need him? this west coast trip kind of indicates otherwise. Walker, Williams and Turiaf have been picking up the slack both on the offense and defensive end; Bench has coming up big. if they beat the jazz tonight and go 3-1 on this road trip Gallo is looking more and more expendable.

Burn! Gallo is needed. He helps spread the floor for Amar'e to score 30 points a game.

That's such a weak argument and you have nothing to back it up. I'm so tired of the Danilo Gallinari homers making him out to be this incredible outside shooter. He's not. He shoots in the low 40s and 37% from three. Wilson Chandler spreads the floor just as well as Gallinari. We also have more then enough outside shooters to get by without Gallinari and the last 4 games have proved it.

you are making Gallo out to be just a stiff-legged 3point shooter, and he's not.

How many FTs have Walker and Williams shot all year? total of what Gallo makes in like 4 games?

That's exactly what he is. Almost 50% of Danilo Gallinari's shots are 3pt attempts and he only gets to the line 5.5 times a game. That's a spot-up shooter.

Shawne Williams and Bill Walker can't drive. I'll give you that. But 5.5 times a game at the line is nothing special either.

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1/12/2011  11:05 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/12/2011  11:06 AM
iSergio wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:
iSergio wrote:In the last 4 games, both Shawne Williams and Bill Walker have combined for 17 ppg and hit 14/35 from three (40%). Equal to what Danilo Gallinari was contributing.

The Gallinari homers can stick it. We don't need him. He's a VERY small piece to the puzzle. His role is just not that important. He's the 4th or 5th best player on this team.

What? Two players COMBINED to equal what Gallinari, alone, was contributing? And neither of those two have all the awesome extras that Gallinari quietly brings to the table every night.

BALLLER, WHAT?!?!?!?! HATERS, GTHOT, HATERSSSSSs!!

WHAT EXTRAS!!! What the heck are you all watching! Danilo Gallinari doesn't provide ANY intangibles! He's an outside shooter!!! He doesn't rebound, do the dirty work or play great shutdown defense (he's average).

ZOMG!!! WHAT!!?!?!
What extras? (in no particular order):

1. Defense - what!? Have you seen him D people up? His long arms and height make him hard to beat, even when you think you've beaten him, he's right there, like a SPIDER!

2. Free throws (aka drawing fouls) - WHat!? The only other person I can compare his ability to draw fouls to is Kevin Durant, and Durant gets some type of star treatment at this point. Gallo will drive to the hole and it's hard not to foul him. Can he drive more? Yes, but that's all about maturity, which leads me to...

3. Age - He's 22, for Peter's sake, the great Apostle at the supper. He's a young baller with so much upside it's not even funny, and he continues to improve and improve his mental.

4. He's tall! - You can't teach height

5. He's so skilled - Drops trey buckets, can drive, can shoot free throws, can steal the ball, can defend, can run the floors.

6. He is clutch! - How many times have we seen him drop buckets late in the game, ice cold?

7. HE DOESN'T TURN THE BALL OVER - How many times have we seen him play 35 minutes or so with 0 turnovers?? He's a smart baller, he won't make many mistakes

8. All upside with Gallo.

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1/12/2011  11:07 AM
u can't combine the production from 2 players & make the argument that it can replace 1... that's the same lame argument the Melo bashers have tried to make about how the Knicks don't need him on this team... reality doesn't work that way... if u wanna say that we have some capable role players that can HELP fill Gallo's role if we ever decide to trade him for an uprade in other areas, then i'm with u on that... but u can't use the 2 players equals 1 argument unless you also factor in the total minutes that you're investing into those 2 players to equal the production of what 1 guy can do for you in half the time.
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1/12/2011  11:07 AM
iSergio wrote:
martin wrote:
iSergio wrote:
KNICKSdom wrote:
SlimChin wrote:do we really need him? this west coast trip kind of indicates otherwise. Walker, Williams and Turiaf have been picking up the slack both on the offense and defensive end; Bench has coming up big. if they beat the jazz tonight and go 3-1 on this road trip Gallo is looking more and more expendable.

Burn! Gallo is needed. He helps spread the floor for Amar'e to score 30 points a game.

That's such a weak argument and you have nothing to back it up. I'm so tired of the Danilo Gallinari homers making him out to be this incredible outside shooter. He's not. He shoots in the low 40s and 37% from three. Wilson Chandler spreads the floor just as well as Gallinari. We also have more then enough outside shooters to get by without Gallinari and the last 4 games have proved it.

you are making Gallo out to be just a stiff-legged 3point shooter, and he's not.

How many FTs have Walker and Williams shot all year? total of what Gallo makes in like 4 games?

That's exactly what he is. Almost 50% of Danilo Gallinari's shots are 3pt attempts and he only gets to the line 5.5 times a game. That's a spot-up shooter.

Shawne Williams and Bill Walker can't drive. I'll give you that. But 5.5 times a game at the line is nothing special either.

You get to the stripe 5.5 times a game by driving... I cannot comprehend how that number can be interpreted otherwise

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1/12/2011  11:08 AM
KNICKSdom wrote:
iSergio wrote:
KNICKSdom wrote:
SlimChin wrote:do we really need him? this west coast trip kind of indicates otherwise. Walker, Williams and Turiaf have been picking up the slack both on the offense and defensive end; Bench has coming up big. if they beat the jazz tonight and go 3-1 on this road trip Gallo is looking more and more expendable.

Burn! Gallo is needed. He helps spread the floor for Amar'e to score 30 points a game.

That's such a weak argument and you have nothing to back it up. I'm so tired of the Danilo Gallinari homers making him out to be this incredible outside shooter. He's not. He shoots in the low 40s and 37% from three. Wilson Chandler spreads the floor just as well as Gallinari. We also have more then enough outside shooters to get by without Gallinari and the last 4 games have proved it.

Do you watch Gallo play or are you sleepwalking watching them play? I don't need explain more, his game should speak for itself. He plays D, passes great, handles the ball well while running the floor, he goes to the line more than other Knicks and he is their best shooter on the team other than Shawne. He is young, still geting better and Amar'e likes him. What's not to like!? *stares*

Homer talk.

Wilson Chandler, Bill Walker and even Landry Fields are shooting better than Danilo Gallinari. And he's not a great passer either - 1.8 apg.

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1/12/2011  11:08 AM
Killa4luv wrote:
iSergio wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:
iSergio wrote:In the last 4 games, both Shawne Williams and Bill Walker have combined for 17 ppg and hit 14/35 from three (40%). Equal to what Danilo Gallinari was contributing.

The Gallinari homers can stick it. We don't need him. He's a VERY small piece to the puzzle. His role is just not that important. He's the 4th or 5th best player on this team.

What? Two players COMBINED to equal what Gallinari, alone, was contributing? And neither of those two have all the awesome extras that Gallinari quietly brings to the table every night.

BALLLER, WHAT?!?!?!?! HATERS, GTHOT, HATERSSSSSs!!

WHAT EXTRAS!!! What the heck are you all watching! Danilo Gallinari doesn't provide ANY intangibles! He's an outside shooter!!! He doesn't rebound, do the dirty work or play great shutdown defense (he's average).

he takes people off the dribble and gets to the line. He dunks ferociously. He rebounds also.

4.5 rpg is nothing special.

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1/12/2011  11:09 AM
gallo frustrates because he’s not what you sense he has the potential to be and could be.

BUT . . . he still might yet be. look at what wilson's done this year. definitely added that extra gear to his game that's made him a different player.

gallo does that and then he is indeed special.

he doesn’t, stays where he currently is, and he’s still a hedo/kukoc type 4th or 5th best player on your team who adds a lot to a winning team. nothing wrong with that either once you accept it.

ok, i'm gonna get burned by the Gallo supporters but....

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