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Hahn suggests no MLE next year after new CBA? First I have heard of this.
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martin
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1/11/2011  1:05 PM
Mat : Hey Alan, are the knicks trying to stay (or get) capped out by the end of the season so they can use the Mid-Level Exception? That of course is if the knicks are satisfied with Ray at the point for the future...

Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:33
Alan: There won't be an MLE this summer because the current CBA will expire on June 30 and no one expects the MLE to return in the next agreement.

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1/11/2011  1:07 PM
That would fix quite a bit as far as the problems the owners get themselves in.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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1/11/2011  1:08 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:That would fix quite a bit as far as the problems the owners get themselves in.

I completely agree. Owners really throw those full MLE signing around. They're usually the worst contract on a team's books

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1/11/2011  1:11 PM
So how will over the cap teams add FA's? Is the goal to do away with FA, or to make sure the preponderance of teams stay under the cap?
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1/11/2011  1:13 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:That would fix quite a bit as far as the problems the owners get themselves in.

I completely agree. Owners really throw those full MLE signing around. They're usually the worst contract on a team's books

I bet it would actually solve half of the problems with the big contracts and such. It seems like anyone can get that MLE.

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1/11/2011  1:34 PM
Vin Baker, Jared Jefferies, Jerome James.

Best thing to ever happen to the game.

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1/11/2011  1:38 PM
Don't forget the best of them all, Clarence Weatherspoon.
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1/11/2011  1:49 PM
So with the exception of using Bird rights there would essentially be a hard cap, and FA's can only go to under the cap teams, or be re-signed and traded?
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1/11/2011  1:57 PM
BlueSeats wrote:So with the exception of using Bird rights there would essentially be a hard cap, and FA's can only go to under the cap teams, or be re-signed and traded?

I wonder if teams would be able to dump players and take them off the salary cap (But still have to pay the contract) in order to make this work.

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1/11/2011  1:57 PM
BlueSeats wrote:So with the exception of using Bird rights there would essentially be a hard cap, and FA's can only go to under the cap teams, or be re-signed and traded?

gotta believe that either Hahn made a premature statement or one that is lacking details.

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1/11/2011  2:07 PM
martin wrote:
BlueSeats wrote:So with the exception of using Bird rights there would essentially be a hard cap, and FA's can only go to under the cap teams, or be re-signed and traded?

gotta believe that either Hahn made a premature statement or one that is lacking details.

no, ken berger made a point about the MLE being taken out of the equation. it's one of the top things on the owner's want list.

it's in berger's long article about the CBA/negotiations.

But according to management sources familiar with the owners' bargaining position, league negotiators do not view these proposed changes as revenue-neutral or conducive to addressing their concerns about expenses. Owners are seeking to eliminate all cap exceptions by imposing a hard-cap system, but by far the exception they are targeting most aggressively is the mid-level, which often is the vehicle that gets teams in the most trouble. Despite their tendency to misuse it -- or maybe because of that -- the last thing owners want is two mid-level exceptions.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/14412293/nba-players-make-cba-counterproposal-owners-turn-deaf-ear

i think there is actually a more recent story by berger where he goes into more depth about what the owners want, but this is the only one i could find. i trust berger. i think he and adrian woj are the best two NBA writers. i don't think either would post a story erroneously.

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1/11/2011  2:10 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:
BlueSeats wrote:So with the exception of using Bird rights there would essentially be a hard cap, and FA's can only go to under the cap teams, or be re-signed and traded?

I wonder if teams would be able to dump players and take them off the salary cap (But still have to pay the contract) in order to make this work.

Interesting proposition. A bit of win-win for each side. Not gonna save the owners cash, but at least save them from boxing themselves in for years.

The problem is twofold. The league loses luxury tax revenues, and the wealthy clubs are still advantaged by being able to afford tossing money out the window. And then what is the vehicle for other teams to pick up dumped players?

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1/11/2011  2:16 PM
Guaranteed contract that are removable from the cap would help each and every team stay competitive. It would make it easier to keep hone grown talent, balance out salaries, and make FA a lot more interesting.

If you take out the MLE but allow teams to be able to clear cap space to sign guys and loosen up some of those trade restrictions I think it will be a lot better for the game.

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1/11/2011  2:22 PM
NBA contracts should be structured more like football contracts.

You should be able to void a contract or dismiss players like Eddy Curry, Mo Taylor, Jerome James etc that come into camp overweight. If I can can't find two hours a day in the offseason to workout in between buying rims, clubbing and playing video games you doesn't deserve to be paid.

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1/11/2011  2:29 PM
The Chinese Basketball League may be able to pull American players other than washed up point guards if the NBA gets rid of the MLE I hope the players show some onions and fight this, but it likely won't happen.
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1/11/2011  2:40 PM
MLE is a big reason for the overspending cause it essentially sets a high minimum floor in the bidding process. For example, a team who has to try and keep their own RFA coming off a rookie contract has to come out with an offer ABOVE the MLE if they want to retain him. It unnecessarily drives up the price and you see guys like Travis Outlaw getting overpaid for $7M/yr, cause NJ felt compelled to pay over the MLE to pry him away from Portland and beat out 28 other teams' offer.

That said, I think as a compromise, either the MLE will be reduced (# of years or dollar amount), or if completely eliminated, the vet min scale might be increased. Mainly to prevent a lot of players from running off to Europe.

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1/11/2011  2:53 PM
MS wrote:NBA contracts should be structured more like football contracts.

You should be able to void a contract or dismiss players like Eddy Curry, Mo Taylor, Jerome James etc that come into camp overweight. If I can can't find two hours a day in the offseason to workout in between buying rims, clubbing and playing video games you doesn't deserve to be paid.

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1/11/2011  2:56 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/11/2011  2:57 PM
BlueSeats wrote:
The problem is twofold. The league loses luxury tax revenues, and the wealthy clubs are still advantaged by being able to afford tossing money out the window. And then what is the vehicle for other teams to pick up dumped players?

What's wrong with wealthy clubs having an advantage? No need to inject socialism into sports.

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1/11/2011  3:01 PM
Panos wrote:
MS wrote:NBA contracts should be structured more like football contracts.

You should be able to void a contract or dismiss players like Eddy Curry, Mo Taylor, Jerome James etc that come into camp overweight. If I can can't find two hours a day in the offseason to workout in between buying rims, clubbing and playing video games you doesn't deserve to be paid.

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totally agree.

but, does that come with a hard cap? isn't that what the NFL has? players will FLIP OUT.

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1/11/2011  3:02 PM
MS wrote:NBA contracts should be structured more like football contracts.

You should be able to void a contract or dismiss players like Eddy Curry, Mo Taylor, Jerome James etc that come into camp overweight. If I can can't find two hours a day in the offseason to workout in between buying rims, clubbing and playing video games you doesn't deserve to be paid.

That's all subjective though. You can't just put him on the scale and say "You're overweight" because he may just be like Ron Artest.... and the players would have a legit beef when it comes to this. They would have to take other measurements such as body mass index and body fat% (Which is VERY hard to calculate).

And that's not the only beef. Shaq is probably the most overweight player in the league right now but he can probably play for any team he wants to until he is ready to retire. The players will be able to point to that easily and get the backing of the Union.

This issue isn't nearly as easy to handle as you may think it is.

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Hahn suggests no MLE next year after new CBA? First I have heard of this.

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