http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011/01/08/an-all-star-weekend-wish-list/

Williams Statistics
PPG 6.4
RPG 2.6
APG 0.7
SPG 0.4
BPG 0.6
FG% 0.531
FT% 1.000
3P% 0.568
MPG 14.9

Bonner Statistics
PPG 6.9
RPG 3.6
APG 0.8
SPG 0.4
BPG 0.4
FG% 0.465
FT% 0.611
3P% 0.500
MPG 22.4

I hope Williams starts to get similar league wide recognition similar to that of Fields, Felton and Chandler, the Knicks other improving young wings.

He should at the very least get an invite to the AllStar 3pt competition,

JrZyHuStLa wrote:This is why he's better than Gallinari. For someone who's specialty is the 3 ball, he's already worse than Shawne Williams. He seems to understand his role better than Gallo, who is probably a 4th option in the Knicks offense after Stat, Felton, Wilson, and Fields.

i think saying he's better than Gallo is a stretch... as a spot up shooter Shawne's been lights out without a doubt, but he doesn't have Gallo's ability to take the ball to the rim & doesn't have the same ability to make his shots off fade aways & stepbacks the way Gallo does from long distance... he's also not as good of an onball defender.

Gallo is a guy who's scored 30+ on more than 1 occasion, let's not forget this... DW found a great role player in Shawne Williams, but he doesn't have star potential the same way Gallo does.

I'm waiting to see some more of Williams' rumored skills to be put on display before I render a final verdict. Gallo is bigger than Williams and a more effective rebounder when he wants to be.

I think he certainly makes Gallo tradeable. They're on the same level to me as prospects.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

TMS wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:This is why he's better than Gallinari. For someone who's specialty is the 3 ball, he's already worse than Shawne Williams. He seems to understand his role better than Gallo, who is probably a 4th option in the Knicks offense after Stat, Felton, Wilson, and Fields.

i think saying he's better than Gallo is a stretch... as a spot up shooter Shawne's been lights out without a doubt, but he doesn't have Gallo's ability to take the ball to the rim & doesn't have the same ability to make his shots off fade aways & stepbacks the way Gallo does from long distance... he's also not as good of an onball defender.

Gallo is a guy who's scored 30+ on more than 1 occasion, let's not forget this... DW found a great role player in Shawne Williams, but he doesn't have star potential the same way Gallo does.

Gallo doesn't have star potenital imo. In fact, he'll probably never see an all star game. I don't see much of an improvement from him going forward. At this point, he's a very good role player in this league. His shot selection still needs to improve as well.

i think there's a difference between not having star potential as opposed to not likely having the opportunity to realize that potential... i don't think Gallo will have the opportunity to realize his star potential in a Knicks uniform... there's just too many other good players he has to share his touches with for that to happen... he needs to become a more featured player in the offense to get to the next level... i agree w/u that right now he's a very good role player in the NBA & he probably won't go much further than that on this team, but i think what sets him apart from Shawne Williams is that he has the talent to be more than that... i dunno if Shawne Williams can be more than what he is now whether he becomes a more featured player or not... he very well might, but haven't seen enough of his other skills to judge.

Other than that... I'm not sure how you can argue that Gallo deserves the minutes over Williams.

I think Gallo certainly has the ability to pump fake guys and take it to the rack, but how long do you say that? He just never does it consistently. I don't have as much a problem as I used to with Gallo because he has gotten MORE consistent, but certainly his value might be greater in trade than it is to us now and in the future(assuming that Chandler stays).

JohnWallace44 wrote:He's a more consistent scorer than Gallo, which is more valuable when you're the 4th option. We lose sight of that quite a bit.

I'm waiting to see some more of Williams' rumored skills to be put on display before I render a final verdict. Gallo is bigger than Williams and a more effective rebounder when he wants to be.

I think he certainly makes Gallo tradeable. They're on the same level to me as prospects.

I would think that as teams realize this, they will be less likely to leave him open. He seems to be left open as much, and probably more, than anyone on the Knicks up to this point- much more than Gallo, I might add. Whether he can do more is to be determined.

If you think Gallinari is only a 3pt shooter, I suppose that you can make a case that Williams is "on the same level" as a prospect, but I would hope that you're not thinking pre-2008 draft, and believing that Gallo is a soft Euro who can hit 3s and do nothing else.

I've said this before, and will say it now- I continue to find it amazing that folks are looking for ways to dismiss Gallinari's talents and find a way to get rid of him, which is really what some folks are putting forth around here. Why we constantly have to compare and denigrate our own players against each other is beyond me, but there seems to be a consistent groundswell of dislike, and what even amounts to a form of hatred, for Gallinari, and only Gallinari.

JohnWallace44 wrote:TMS, if I needed a defensive stop without being able to call a timeout and make a substitution, I'd rather have Gallo on the floor than Williams.

Other than that... I'm not sure how you can argue that Gallo deserves the minutes over Williams.

I think Gallo certainly has the ability to pump fake guys and take it to the rack, but how long do you say that? He just never does it consistently. I don't have as much a problem as I used to with Gallo because he has gotten MORE consistent, but certainly his value might be greater in trade than it is to us now and in the future(assuming that Chandler stays).

let's just say Gallo holds a ton more value in any trade package than Shawne Williams does... that tells u which of the 2 has the bigger percieved upside potential... in terms of who deserves minutes, if healthy i think Gallo comes ahead of Williams in MDA's rotation, & i think he's done enough during his past 2 seasons to have earned that role... i think he's a better passer than Williams, a better on ball defender, better at getting to the FT line & at creating for himself than Williams... shooting ability wise Williams can hold his own against Gallo anyday, but again i view him more as a spot up shooter that isn't really effective if he has guys guarding him... this is based on a limited sample of games & Williams hasn't really shown much else, so who knows, maybe he does have the ability to be more than that... but can't really comment on that until he shows it.

Gallo on the other hand, can score while being guarded, his problem is the consistency to bring that scorer's mentality every night... he becomes too content to defer to other guys & often times becomes invisible during games as a result... that's something he definitely needs to work on... so in terms of playing a distinct role in this offense, u could argue that Williams is just as good of an option as Gallo if you're just looking for a spot up shooter, but in terms of who is the better player, i think Gallo is better & also has more potential to be better.

It's a silly argument to say Williams is better, but he IS a nice piece that DOES make Gallo tradeable, for the right players in return, of course.

xeo wrote:I'd say Williams is becoming a more consistent offensive player than Gallo, but that's just because the league hasn't gotten the Memo yet and are still leaving him open for corner 3's...

i agree that Williams is probably benefitting from a lack of concern by opposing defenses... he's been left wide open in the corner for uncontested 3's all year... that's a direct result of guys like Amare, Ray, Wilson & Gallo taking the blunt of attention away when they're in the game... the reason Gallo isn't left wide open as often & is forced to look to create for himself more is because teams respect his shooting ability more... once teams figure out that Williams is gonna make them pay for leaving him open, they're gonna pay more attention to guarding him... at that point it will be interesting to see if he can keep up this torrid shooting pace, but i love what i'm seeing so far.

as for Williams becoming a more consistent offensive player than Gallo, i dunno if u can say that right now... his shooting % is higher because he's taking a less volume of them & the shots he's taking are uncontested... the more shots he takes & makes, eventually teams are gonna wise up & startin Ding him up.

Anyway as far as Williams goes he's played 1962 minutes in his career and 269 minute this year Gallo has played 4305 minutes in his career and 1146 minutes this year. The sample size that everyone is judging williams on is 269 minutes! He's been good for those minutes but that's 7-8 games of starters minutes. He's shot 44 3 ptrs this year. He's shot it really well - but it's 44 shots. His career 3pt percentage is .352 (he was 1-17 last year)

Over his career he's been a marginal sub at best. I think he's improved a lot and I hope the guy plays great but you don't make personal decisions on players based on 269 minutes.