I tell you --watching this kid is like watching hoosiers or something. Constant energy motion and efficiency. Its exactly why we dont need melo--we have too many wing pieces that fit to well and are very young. How could anyone look back and say I traded that guy? That is why the draft is so important--it gives you the ability to continue the pipeline of talent to your bench.
Every good team needs some cheap pieces or diamonds in the rough--what good moves for Williams and Walker--Williams who seems good enough to be a 7th or 8th man in a 8/9 man rotation and Walker a great . 10th man--not to be devalued to have the ability to bring a guy like that in the game--I wonder if it would be good business to lock up both for 3-4 years at 1mm or so a year now--almost like a Balkman like contract--cheap
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BRIGGS wrote:I tell you --watching this kid is like watching hoosiers or something. Constant energy motion and efficiency. Its exactly why we dont need melo--we have too many wing pieces that fit to well and are very young. How could anyone look back and say I traded that guy? That is why the draft is so important--it gives you the ability to continue the pipeline of talent to your bench.
Every good team needs some cheap pieces or diamonds in the rough--what good moves for Williams and Walker--Williams who seems good enough to be a 7th or 8th man in a 8/9 man rotation and Walker a great . 10th man--not to be devalued to have the ability to bring a guy like that in the game--I wonder if it would be good business to lock up both for 3-4 years at 1mm or so a year now--almost like a Balkman like contract--cheap
We don't NEED melo to win games, we WANT melo to win a title.
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I agree I like the guys we have. I don't think Melo is a great fit. The knicks need more defense and size and that's what I think we should be looking to add.
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OldFan wrote:I agree I like the guys we have. I don't think Melo is a great fit. The knicks need more defense and size and that's what I think we should be looking to add.
No one wants to be patient but it would make more sense to go after Dwight Howard or Deron williams in 1 1/2 years than to lock up Carmelo on a 5 or 6 year max contract.
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BRIGGS wrote:I tell you --watching this kid is like watching hoosiers or something. Constant energy motion and efficiency. Its exactly why we dont need melo--we have too many wing pieces that fit to well and are very young. How could anyone look back and say I traded that guy? That is why the draft is so important--it gives you the ability to continue the pipeline of talent to your bench.
Every good team needs some cheap pieces or diamonds in the rough--what good moves for Williams and Walker--Williams who seems good enough to be a 7th or 8th man in a 8/9 man rotation and Walker a great . 10th man--not to be devalued to have the ability to bring a guy like that in the game--I wonder if it would be good business to lock up both for 3-4 years at 1mm or so a year now--almost like a Balkman like contract--cheap
We don't NEED melo to win games, we WANT melo to win a title.
Well said. We can win 50 games or more with this team, but what gives anyone the indication this is more than a first or second round playoff team at absolute best. We need another player who impacts the game like a star every game. Melo is that guy.
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BRIGGS wrote:I tell you --watching this kid is like watching hoosiers or something. Constant energy motion and efficiency. Its exactly why we dont need melo--we have too many wing pieces that fit to well and are very young. How could anyone look back and say I traded that guy? That is why the draft is so important--it gives you the ability to continue the pipeline of talent to your bench.
Every good team needs some cheap pieces or diamonds in the rough--what good moves for Williams and Walker--Williams who seems good enough to be a 7th or 8th man in a 8/9 man rotation and Walker a great . 10th man--not to be devalued to have the ability to bring a guy like that in the game--I wonder if it would be good business to lock up both for 3-4 years at 1mm or so a year now--almost like a Balkman like contract--cheap
We don't NEED melo to win games, we WANT melo to win a title.
Well said. We can win 50 games or more with this team, but what gives anyone the indication this is more than a first or second round playoff team at absolute best. We need another player who impacts the game like a star every game. Melo is that guy.
No one's saying we don't need significant upgrades. It's just that Carmelo isn't one of them.
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OldFan wrote:I agree I like the guys we have. I don't think Melo is a great fit. The knicks need more defense and size and that's what I think we should be looking to add.
No one wants to be patient but it would make more sense to go after Dwight Howard or Deron williams in 1 1/2 years than to lock up Carmelo on a 5 or 6 year max contract.
Exactly. We haven't done anything in 10 years...now we finally have a playoff team and everyone is expecting a title before we even get to our first playoff game.
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No way The Answer Man includes Landry Fields in any imaginary deal for Melo either. Last night, Fields was 6-6 from the fioor with 11 rebounds. Landry makes the ball sing and swing. He knows what to do every minute he is out there and, as Clyde said, "good things happen when he is on the court."
He is not a rookie. Someone obviously lied.
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OldFan wrote:I agree I like the guys we have. I don't think Melo is a great fit. The knicks need more defense and size and that's what I think we should be looking to add.
No one wants to be patient but it would make more sense to go after Dwight Howard or Deron williams in 1 1/2 years than to lock up Carmelo on a 5 or 6 year max contract.
Exactly. We haven't done anything in 10 years...now we finally have a playoff team and everyone is expecting a title before we even get to our first playoff game.
i think people are just trying to think ahead... no one is NOT enjoying this ride we're on, but some of us realize that playoffs are a different animal & we realize the types of players it might take to get us to the next level... if you're content to see what this current group can do, that's ur right to feel that way... some of us want to keep thinking about improving so we can contend for championships... just being good enough to make the playoffs should not be our goal IMO... we need to keep striving to be better.
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Briggs, do you think that the Knicks have the best group of cheap talent in the NBA? Remember when Portland had that group for a long time before this season when they became a very expensive team.
OKC might be the only team that could make a case that they have a comparable group.
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JohnWallace44 wrote:Briggs, do you think that the Knicks have the best group of cheap talent in the NBA? Remember when Portland had that group for a long time before this season when they became a very expensive team.
Actually thats an interesting point, because now you look back and think Portland made a huge mistake by not cashing in their young promising players for an established star- what happened was the young players never really reached the level people thought they would, ended up getting the big contacts anyway, and some declined, leaving denver with a roster of mediocre, highly paid players.
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JohnWallace44 wrote:Briggs, do you think that the Knicks have the best group of cheap talent in the NBA? Remember when Portland had that group for a long time before this season when they became a very expensive team.
Actually thats an interesting point, because now you look back and think Portland made a huge mistake by not cashing in their young promising players for an established star- what happened was the young players never really reached the level people thought they would, ended up getting the big contacts anyway, and some declined, leaving denver with a roster of mediocre, highly paid players.
Good points raised right here but both of these guys..
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OldFan wrote:I agree I like the guys we have. I don't think Melo is a great fit. The knicks need more defense and size and that's what I think we should be looking to add.
A lot of folks seem to disregard the concepts of building a team, unless its' some fantasy team situation. They don't look at cap obligations or what is given to get these "super star" players. Fortunately, Donnie Walsh has been doing his homework and I don't doubt that he will add useful pieces to the team.
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OldFan wrote:I agree I like the guys we have. I don't think Melo is a great fit. The knicks need more defense and size and that's what I think we should be looking to add.
A lot of folks seem to disregard the concepts of building a team, unless its' some fantasy team situation. They don't look at cap obligations or what is given to get these "super star" players. Fortunately, Donnie Walsh has been doing his homework and I don't doubt that he will add useful pieces to the team.
both Wilson & Gallo will be making big bucks themselves very soon... this is why people are looking down the road & thinking up ways how to improve our team with the best talent possible with all our cap considerations in mind... if Wilson & Gallo were going to be on rookie scale salaries for the next few years, this might be a different conversation... we're going to have to make some tough decisions regarding those 2 in the next year or 2... how much of the cap do you invest in keeping them & will those guys be good enough to take us to where we want to go? i'm sure DW is considering all these factors as well, which is why he hasn't taken us out of the Melo chase by trading for other players & taking on salary.
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