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1/6/2011  10:08 AM
Wilson sets example for Douglas, Randolph

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/the-knicks-fix-1.812055/wilson-sets-example-for-douglas-randolph-1.2590226


By Alan Hahn

And here come the outcries to keep Wilson Chandler, the desperate mathematics to figure out how the Knicks can sign Carmelo Anthony as a free agent this summer and yet still have room to re-sign Chandler, who will be a restricted free agent. The hopelessly optimistic permutations that do not include Chandler and may still satisfy the Nuggets in a trade for Carmelo.

And this is all good for Chandler. I remember a few weeks ago when I asked him if he was insulted by the notion that the Nuggets didn't want to make a trade with the Knicks because they felt there wasn't any valuable talent on the roster. Wilson looked up, shrugged and said, "No, I don't want to go to Denver."

The Knicks don't want to send him there, either. All along the best-case scenario has been to deal with the Carmelo situation once he's a free agent and those close to the Nuggets star know that would be the best situation for him from a basketball perspective, because he'd be joining a team without the roster losing any significant pieces from the rotation. Imagine a front-court of Carmelo, Wilson and Amar'e Stoudemire. Yes, that does mean the continuation of small-ball, but the Knicks seem to be doing well playing this way (and when you need to run a grind-it-out halfcourt set, Melo is as good a post-up forward as there is in the game).

But Carmelo also has to consider the other side of the biz: finances. With so much uncertainty in regards to the next CBA, he could risk losing money if he doesn't sign an extension under the current agreement. Then again, there is talk that a new agreement would involve a rollback of all contracts, which means he potentially could lose money either way.

And Denver may want to move him by Feb. 24 just to have the ability to get some value for him before he opts out. They could always trade him to a team without an extension. Or they could consider finishing the year with him and moving him on draft night (I believe he would be trade-eligible, because he technically is under contract for 2011-12).

But while we ruminate over such details, we're not overlooking something else that Chandler brings to the current roster that goes beyond his vastly-improved shooting, his confidence with the ball and, of course, the fact that he's finally at full health (for the most part) in quite some time.

How about the fact that he made himself the player he is right now by being coachable? By working through his mistakes, by staying humble and by playing without that maddening sense of entitlement that can sandbag so many young players who come into the league thinking they already have it all figured out.

Wilson is always quick to point out what is obvious to him, but sometimes gets lost on us as we watch games: Amar'e Stoudemire's presence commands double-teams. Wilson is merely feasting off his defender helping off him to stop Stoudemire.

And he knows this because this is what the coaching staff told him: That corner three will be there all day long. So Wilson, as he told me in today's story, spent (and continues to spend) countless hours developing that corner shot to the point where it is now automatic. He has spent time watching video and learning not just where he's supposed to be, but why he's there and how it all works. So when he gets the ball, not only does he already know what he's supposed to do, he also knows what options are available to him, including where his teammates are.

One of the things Chandler struggled with for a while was decision-making with the ball. It seemed like he was quick to put up a shot because if he waited too long, he'd have to make a pass and he often looked confused. Now, Wilson plays with confidence because if he does need to pass, he usually knows where the ball belongs.

Are you reading this, Anthony Randolph? Because this is exactly what the coaching staff hopes you eventually figure out. It's not about playing YOUR game, it's about playing your game within the system. One thing I've always been impressed with when it comes to Mike D'Antoni and his system is that he puts you in position that generally emphasizes your strengths. Then he leaves it up to you to do the rest.

And that's why, despite the search for a backup point guard, the Knicks aren't quite ready to pull the plug on Toney Douglas. There are a lot of similarities between Douglas and Chandler, mainly because both players aren't afraid of hard work and both players have a willingness to learn. Douglas is a little more outgoing and has a bigger ego -- he really believes he can get every steal, but in doing so, he often gets beat and it leads to a defensive breakdown -- but both guys are coachable.

I recently talked to D'Antoni about Douglas' struggle with the pick-and-roll and how he has been in the system for two years and still hasn't figured it out yet, while Raymond Felton picked it up rather quickly. My suggestion was that some guards are just born floor generals and others just can't grasp the concept, but D'Antoni disagreed. He feels anyone can run this system, but said that you have to be aware of where each player is starting from when it comes to development. Felton was already ahead of the game because he understood the NBA game, the defenses and because he ran a lot of the same things at North Carolina. So Douglas started a little further behind and is still trying to catch up.

That's sort of how it was with Chandler, who came into the NBA extremely raw but with terrific athleticism and a nice shooting touch. All he did was make himself stronger and turn that nice touch into a very effective, consistent weapon.

And he didn't do it by frowning at criticism or bristling about playing time. He did it by simply working on his game and by doing exactly what the coaching staff said would make him the most valuable to the team. David Lee did the same thing.

And, like David last summer, come July, he'll reap the rewards for it.

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1/6/2011  11:00 AM

Good read. Not much fluff.
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1/6/2011  11:09 AM
What a nice read. Hard work and being coachable goes a long way. I really hope the light bulb turns on for AR.
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1/6/2011  1:14 PM
I don't mean to hijack this thread but this really explains why AR is not getting any burn. All the players outside of Amare and Felton has accepted their roles and is playing their parts perfectly. AR needs to understand that the offense will start with Amare and Felton and he needs to develop an outside shot. Either that or be a facilitator in the middle like what Turiaf is doing. Don't force anything and let the game come to you.
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1/6/2011  2:08 PM
Best Article on the Knicks I've read in years!!! This is the heart of the truth about this team and this coach. When many are confused about what Mike does with his teams and how he tries to develop his players, what he's looking for in his players etc. This article basically shows what the whole thing is about. Mike just wants players that get it and that will listen. If you do what he's saying you'll be successful and the players are buying in and they trust that what he's saying is for the best. The posters here who bristled at the idea of Mike not wanting to coach difficult personalities just didn't get it. Now maybe they do!

If you want to put together a team that is about winning and nothing else then you actually want a team full of guys that are easy to coach and aren't about drama. It just makes things work better. Ask Popovich how it's been with his teams all these years and not having knuckleheads on his teams to have to deal with. It's part of the reason his Spurs have the highest winning % of any pro sports team over his tenure. You need a Star, but those drama free, boring teams are a blessing. Not that you can't win with some guys that have issues, but it's just counter productive and why deal with it if you don't have to. That's why Belichik of the Patriots gets rid of problem children like Moss or anyone else that isn't about team. He doesn't have time for that crap. Those problems teams tend not to stay together very long either. At some point it breaks down. It's not sustainable, even if you can handle it.

I think Donnie might just go with patience and keep AR and Timo for the long haul. He may not give up on them so quick, much like Rautins, they may feel that these kids are worth developing and would be cheaper than other options with more upside to boot. Really when you think about it, what's the rush? Chandler, Gallo and TD seem to be developing nicely and if we allow the same amount of time to Gallo and TD perhaps they too will have a similar path as Chandler has found success in this season.

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1/6/2011  5:52 PM
Look man, AR got undeserved burn in Golden State because they were a mess. It's like a spoiled child growing up. Now he's getting a wake up call. The NBA league is not as easy as you thought it was when you were with that garbage franchise. He has to adjust and to start taking responsibility, he has to start earning his share and that's what's going on now, he's learning to earn his, he's about to start earning his.

It won't just be handed to you by Coach Mike, by a winning team.

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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1/6/2011  6:01 PM
AR is a young man that has a chance to be part of a bright future here. He has to show that he's willing to learn and if he does then I think we will and should keep him. AR should stay unless he's either unwilling to adjust or can't. If he's working hard and showing progress then Donnie shouldn't trade him.
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1/7/2011  9:26 AM
AR is now around guys who have proven they put in work to improve their games since coming into the league:

Felton (outside shot) Amare (mid range J), Wilson Chandler (everything)

Positive veterans like Turiaf and Roger Mason (who hasn't uttered a peep about lack of PT)

Guys who've come back from having their careers in flames like Shawne Williams.

He's gotta be able to get it together in this environment.

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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1/7/2011  11:06 AM
GodSave - excellent points about doing work

"Guys who've come back from having their careers in flames like Shawne Williams."

It also helps that Shawne Williams is decisive with the basketball.

One Anthony Randolph learns to apply his intuitive talents to a team concept, he will be just fine.

Hit the open man young man.

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1/7/2011  11:09 AM
misterearl wrote:One Anthony Randolph learns to apply his intuitive talents to a team concept, he will be just fine.

From your lips to God's ears, Earl. His talents would be a welcome presence in the rotation.

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1/7/2011  11:15 AM
If Randolph is traded to a small market no pressure situation-ie Sacramento, Minnesota- I fully expect him to break out. I had the same concern when we traded for him and he has done nothing to dissuade me that he just doesn't have the mental make up for pressure situations.

If we can package him for a piece that we need-like Dalembert- do it. If we manage to finagle a pick too (I liked Briggs' deal of Curry, Randolph, a second, and $3 mil for Dally and a 1st), even better.

I just don't think the man is cut out for any type of pressure situation.

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1/7/2011  11:24 AM
Pressure

"I just don't think the man is cut out for any type of pressure situation."

joe32033 - what do you base your "pressure" theory on?

Anthony Randolph is 21 years old and should be playing his senior year of college basketball right about now.

What is the rush to judgement about?

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1/7/2011  11:48 AM
misterearl wrote:Pressure

"I just don't think the man is cut out for any type of pressure situation."

joe32033 - what do you base your "pressure" theory on?

Anthony Randolph is 21 years old and should be playing his senior year of college basketball right about now.

What is the rush to judgement about?

No rush to judge just an opinion. The kid was having teary eyed breakdowns right on the Warriors bench during games. Now you are gonna put him in NY which is pressure enough, in a need to win situation, under a take no BS, abrasive coach, and on top of that make him learn a new system you need to work at, AND make him earn his minutes or be benched.

I am not saying he can't change but Randolph hasn't shown a flash of being able to handle pressure. Not a judgment just an observation.

This isn't some type of new conclusion for me. I was worried about this exact thing when we traded for him.

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1/7/2011  11:52 AM
joec32033 wrote:
misterearl wrote:Pressure

"I just don't think the man is cut out for any type of pressure situation."

joe32033 - what do you base your "pressure" theory on?

Anthony Randolph is 21 years old and should be playing his senior year of college basketball right about now.

What is the rush to judgement about?

No rush to judge just an opinion. The kid was having teary eyed breakdowns right on the Warriors bench during games. Now you are gonna put him in NY which is pressure enough, in a need to win situation, under a take no BS, abrasive coach, and on top of that make him learn a new system you need to work at, AND make him earn his minutes or be benched.

I am not saying he can't change but Randolph hasn't shown a flash of being able to handle pressure. Not a judgment just an observation.

This isn't some type of new conclusion for me. I was worried about this exact thing when we traded for him.

totally agree with you joe. the gs fans made note of this constantly during his 2 years there. the kid may have an uphill battle in dealing with his emotional reactions.

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1/7/2011  12:55 PM
I just think he's too young to give up on. Why when he's not really costing us much to hold on to and develop. We treat him like a normal rookie on a good team and let him learn. There's still time before we have to make a final decision on him, so let's see what happens. No different than Timo IMO. These guys have the talent, just not the mental acumen yet. The more they practice here with the team and staff the better.
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1/7/2011  1:01 PM
nixluva wrote:I just think he's too young to give up on. Why when he's not really costing us much to hold on to and develop. We treat him like a normal rookie on a good team and let him learn. There's still time before we have to make a final decision on him, so let's see what happens. No different than Timo IMO. These guys have the talent, just not the mental acumen yet. The more they practice here with the team and staff the better.

yup. i'm even predicting that they're both going to be part of the regular rotation before the end of the year.

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1/7/2011  1:04 PM
Curb Your Enthusiasm

Giving up on a 21 year old 6'11 gazelle is just insane. Every one is different and Donnie Walsh knows this.

If you allow Anthony Randolph five years, by the time he reaches the ripe old age of 26, like most people, his body and brain may be nearing their peak.

Chill people

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Nice Hahn blog post: Wilson sets example for Douglas, Randolph

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