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John Hollinger predicts Knick mediocrity
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1/4/2011  3:37 PM
In New York, people have been unbelievably excited about the Knicks' triumphant return to halfway-decency.

But John Hollinger (Insider), in a discussion of the whole league (which includes noteworthy mocking of Wolves GM David Kahn), says to expect things to cool off a bit over the remainder of the season for the Knicks:
At 19-14 so far, the Bockers project to go just a game over .500 the rest of the way, largely because the schedule gets more difficult. New York has played the league's fourth-easiest schedule thus far, but that changes starting now. The Knicks' next five games in particular -- home versus San Antonio, at Phoenix, at Lakers, at Portland, at Utah -- make it likely they'll be dancing within a game or two of .500 for most of the season before an April stretch of patsies lets them close on a high note.

Additionally, I would submit the Knicks aren't as good as their current record for another reason -- they've outscored the opposition by only 0.9 points per game, which normally would leave a team just a game or so above .500 at this point in the season.

Margin of victory, it's worth noting, has the track record of being a better predictor of future success than won-loss record ... so ignore it at your peril.
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/23575/john-hollinger-predicts-knick-mediocrity

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1/4/2011  3:41 PM
well...that's pure numbers talking....likely he hasn't seen many games...if any. This team has heart and is building chemistry. We are young and improving and learning how to win. I see alot of dedicated players who get along and support each other working hard to improve.....so, while the numbers say one thing, i have no doubt this team will out perform all expectations...so stick that in you pocket pencil protector and smoke it Hollinger
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1/4/2011  3:55 PM
Hollinger is a bum, man. Go wash your socks, bum.
WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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1/4/2011  4:02 PM
we are 5 games above 500 on january 2 and he predicts a 25-24 record the rest of the way. 44-38.

LOL first of all how is this mediocre? the most optimistic of predictions this year had us between 42-45, with 45 being the high mark. i think 99% of knicks fans would take 44 wins heading into this season.

i would also assume that the knicks will make a deadline move to shore up the bench. you can't really get any less production than they have so far, and gallinari going down only expedites playing the guys we currently have. if knicks finish with 44-48 wins i'll be ecstatic.

hollinger sucks.

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1/4/2011  4:05 PM
Word is bond, BigSm00th. True story.

Hollinger can take those numbers he pulls out of his butt and promptly shove them right back up there. I love numbers, I fancy myself a math guru, even, and a fitness guru, by the way, but I understand there is something in the universe, in our lives, that you can't put a number on. And that's heart. The Knicks have heart, tons of heart. They can heart themselves to 51 wins this year, I'm sure of it.

So whatever, Hollinger, go wash your socks, bum.

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1/4/2011  4:09 PM
Most posters here predicted an around .500 record.
We're a middle of the pack team at this point. If
anything STAT is willing this team to be better than
it is, and that is why he is in the MVP discussion.
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1/4/2011  4:14 PM
Being a medicore team with enough cap space for a max FA is pretty damn good. Hollinger can shove it.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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1/4/2011  4:14 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/4/2011  4:14 PM
seems like a reasonable assumption that we'll be close to a .500 club this season.

that margin of victory thing is actually legit. it could be off because we have a guy (Amare) who is unusually clutch down the stretch which leads to us winning a higher %age of close games than normal.

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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1/4/2011  4:25 PM
Again it's a very reasonable assessment of where the team is. Everyone gets so upset but the obvious is that we have played well, we are very thin with no depth and our schedule has been very easy. Quality wins on the season fellas how many do we have? NO, OKC, The Bulls twice. You play your schedule and injuries happen.

Here is the thing. We haven't been over .500 in 7 years or so everyone gets so made when someone talks about our team. Once we start beating good teams regularly then maybe some of the critics are being a little unfair. Chances are we are going to have a rough road trip without Gallo. Hopefully not, but until we add depth and balance out the roster we at best a 44 win team.

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1/4/2011  4:35 PM
well...if he is saying a 6th seed in the playoffs is mediocre...then what is he saying...that the league is mediocre to suckish?
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1/4/2011  4:52 PM
Mediocrity is neither good nor bad, it's just OK. 6th seed in the play offs, out of 15 teams is exactly that. Better than we've seen for a while, and with the promise of better to come given our cap situation, but mediocre nonetheless.
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1/4/2011  4:58 PM
MS wrote:Again it's a very reasonable assessment of where the team is. Everyone gets so upset but the obvious is that we have played well, we are very thin with no depth and our schedule has been very easy. Quality wins on the season fellas how many do we have? NO, OKC, The Bulls twice. You play your schedule and injuries happen.

Here is the thing. We haven't been over .500 in 7 years or so everyone gets so made when someone talks about our team. Once we start beating good teams regularly then maybe some of the critics are being a little unfair. Chances are we are going to have a rough road trip without Gallo. Hopefully not, but until we add depth and balance out the roster we at best a 44 win team.

What i take umbrage with is that Hollinger is calling 6 games over 500 "mediocre." (And actually that was Abbott of True Hoop, not Hollinger saying that). Whatever. Like i said before, i'll take 44 wins this year. there is nothing mediocre in my mind about that. Give me a 6 seed.

MS, not for nothing but we are 2-0 against the Bulls this yr. True, we haven't played them with both Noah and Boozer, but a potential (and likely) first round opponent 2x is strong.

Four quality wins and its only January 4! I will take that. GO KNICKS

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1/4/2011  4:59 PM
As much as Knicks fans like to bash them, ESPN in general and Hollinger in particular have been more right about this team than almost anyone here over the past decade.
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1/4/2011  5:02 PM
markvmc wrote:Mediocrity is neither good nor bad, it's just OK. 6th seed in the play offs, out of 15 teams is exactly that. Better than we've seen for a while, and with the promise of better to come given our cap situation, but mediocre nonetheless.

i've watched every game except the Pacers game....and for the most part, excepting the early losing streak against teams we should have beaten while MDA was messing with the line up and rotations and Felton was still trying develop some chemistry with Stat and others, i don't see a mediocre team. How that translates into wins and seeds i guess is a numbers game. If he wants to label 43-45 wins mediocre...it is gonna upset me cuz i see alot of gritty fight for every win.

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1/4/2011  5:13 PM
my favorite is this reaction from twitter:
tknicksblog Seth Rosenthal
RT @netw3rk: Before season "Knicks will win 35 games, are a bad team". Mid season "Knicks will win 43, are a disappointment"
49 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
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1/4/2011  5:23 PM
There's only going to be a small margin between ending up the 6th seed and the Hawks. If we stay with the current group through the deadline and end up matched up with Orlando or Chicago.... guess what; if we make it to the 4 seed, which is as high as we could make it without overtaking Boston, we'd still end up playing either Chicago or Orlando in the 1st round.

So we're basically locked in there no matter what Hollinger thinks.

We have the distinct advantage with a big working between us and Indiana that we can form the team based on matching up with Orlando or Chicago over the next three months.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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1/4/2011  8:55 PM
It's not a bad thing to go .500 the rest of the way based on where we are now but I have the feeling that we'll do better than that. Just watching the team it appears that this team is more likely to actually improve as we go along as opposed to regress or stay the same. It's a good thing that this team has been very good on the road. I take that as a MUCH more important indicator than the margin of victory, which I usually feel is very important. If not for the fact that this team seems to play the same no matter where they play, then i'd say that the low point differential is more important.
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1/4/2011  10:03 PM
SUCK ON THIS WIN, HOLLINGER, YOU BUM!
WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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1/4/2011  10:21 PM
orangeblobman wrote:SUCK ON THIS WIN, HOLLINGER, YOU BUM!

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1/4/2011  10:37 PM
In their last 10 games, Knicks have had the second hardest schedule in the NBA. Yet they are 5-5. (This is not even taking into account beating the Spurs tonight). Source:
http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/powerrankings?sort=sosL10

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