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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
1/2/2011 8:14 AM LAST EDITED: 1/2/2011 8:14 AM
cheers wrote:[uk frontpage]Jerome Jordan, a seven-foot center from Jamaica whom the Knicks acquired in a trade with the Milwaukee Bucks last summer, is currently playing with a team in Serbia, but sat next to Walsh during practice Saturday in street clothes. Walsh said there are no plans for Jordan to return to the Knicks. Hes playing as good as you're going to play in Europe. I said it from day 1--hes a better prospect than mosgov. He has post skills hes athletic and probably longer--the question was his motor in school. Great that hes going to be getting extended minutes. Giving him a 3 year 1.5mm $ contract makes a lot of sense at 500k I think he can help the team--Mosgov is making 7 times that amount Is it possible we could get him over here when his euro league expires--anyone know? RIP Crushalot😞
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TRU
Posts: 20752 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/25/2002 Member: #196 USA |
1/2/2011 8:22 AM
I think it's too early to panic.
Donnie's is not moving anybody. Next year, when we have Moz and AR ballin' out of control on the pace of a reasonable learning curve we'll all be beaming. Melo, too. Those two plus this guy Jordan are valuable assets. No one is going to trade those guys for some stop gap solution that will result in little more than a second round play-off exit. I'ts been 10 years, what's two more? Let it be known: I believe in the Knicks this year-- deep into the playoffs, I swear to you my brothers...
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cheers
Posts: 21060 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 11/27/2010 Member: #3316 |
1/2/2011 8:39 AM LAST EDITED: 1/2/2011 8:43 AM
dealing with euro teams are very difficult, they seem to always hold players ransom. but if donnie can make it happen for this season to move jordan back to the states, cool. maybe ny does not even have to wave a player to make room. donnie may have a trade brewing that will open up a roster space for jordan.
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SteveSmith
Posts: 20203 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 7/16/2009 Member: #2812 Germany |
1/2/2011 9:38 AM
TRU wrote:I think it's too early to panic. I agree with you on that. We have at least a 3 years span in wich guys like Gallo, Wildon, AR, Moz, Fields and Jordan will get better, before its time to panic due to Amar'es age. If they dont improve enough, you switch them for other assets. This team is well build, adding another Superstar is a bonus that probably would speed up things. But its not mandatory in my view. I like Donnies slow pace a lot. Its exactly the right thing for the fast moving New York. |
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Vmart
Posts: 31800 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/23/2002 Member: #247 USA |
1/2/2011 10:39 AM
I see company for AR and Mozgov on the bench. Another garbage time player in the MDA system.
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Paladin55
Posts: 24321 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/6/2008 Member: #2098 |
1/2/2011 10:47 AM
cheers wrote:dealing with euro teams are very difficult, they seem to always hold players ransom. but if donnie can make it happen for this season to move jordan back to the states, cool. maybe ny does not even have to wave a player to make room. donnie may have a trade brewing that will open up a roster space for jordan. Does anyone even know what kind of contract he signed? Best thing that Jordan could have done, IMO, for himself and the Knicks. He's playing, and growing up, against good competition while making decent $$. I'm sure he's learned a lot and has become a tougher, more confident and a more mature player. Good to see that Walsh is keeping in contact with him. No man is happy without a delusion of some kind. Delusions are as necessary to our happiness as realities- C.N. Bovee
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
1/2/2011 11:10 AM
TRU wrote:I'ts been 10 years, what's two more? that kind of mentality is counter productive when you just blew your load on a guy like Amare to come & anchor this team for the next 5... u gotta take advantage of all 5 of those years & put together the best team u can so u can contend for titles ASAP... u can't wait 2 year for guys to develop & hopefully contend down the road... we're not in rebuild mode anymore, it's time to switch focus on win NOW. After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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martin
Posts: 76264 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
1/2/2011 11:14 AM
Here's the thing with Jordan: Knicks essentially get one shot to sign and have him on bench at low low price. And especially with Melo trade possibility looming, there is not way a roster spot filled by Jordan would be occupied and then potentially cause roster # prob.
Why would the Knicks sign the guy for 3+ months without the help of training camp etc? When they sign him it will be in the summer. Also, why would Jordan want to come to the Knicks before he is ready? I would assume he is making even money or more overseas. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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SteveSmith
Posts: 20203 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 7/16/2009 Member: #2812 Germany |
1/2/2011 12:57 PM
TMS wrote:TRU wrote:I'ts been 10 years, what's two more? They are playing to win right now and its not working that bad. You want to improve right now? Good, but would you gamble our good young assets for "sure shots"? That worked so well for a complete decade... We have a problem with the backup PG and a backup Big. For the point you have Toney and Rautins. Toney is a part of the rotation, whilst being out of it a year ago. Rautins is nowere to see. This is a team that has competed with everyone except the Heat and has a 17-14 record. All thats needed to improve on top of this, is Toney to become a part time true point. Or AR/Moz to be at least useful. Or Shawne to become the PF Mike always wanted to have. And thats only the bench. At least Gallo can give the starting lineup a boost if he gets into more games. Its working towards 45 wins in this teams first damn season! You dont mess with that in a big scale in my opinion. |
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
1/2/2011 1:05 PM
SteveSmith wrote:TMS wrote:TRU wrote:I'ts been 10 years, what's two more? the reason it didn't work in the past is because we gambled our assets for veteran players past their prime with injury concerns like Antonio McDyess, or guys with severe baggage like Marbury or Zach Randolph, or guys that had yet to fulfill the potential people saw in them when they were drafted like Eddy Curry... we made ridiculously stupid choices in the types of players to target. this team has made big progress this year, but there is a cap on this group's potential... we are not on the level of the elite teams in the NBA, we need better players to get on that level... bringing in a backup C & PG is not going do get us there. After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
1/2/2011 1:12 PM
I thought the beauty of the plan B was that we not only had a Star for the next 5, but also we had a young core that we could build for even longer than that. So i'm not sure we should go full on win now, with one of the youngest rosters in the league and untapped talent still on board.
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SteveSmith
Posts: 20203 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 7/16/2009 Member: #2812 Germany |
1/2/2011 1:21 PM
TMS wrote: Im not so sure about the cap of this groups potential. I still think we have not seen all of it. And I'm not against getting Melo in the summer. We would probably sign and trade Wilson for him, that would be ok. The better Chandler gets the rest of the season, the better this sign and trade deal will get for us. What I wanted to say was, every little improvement from a single player of the "assets group" will make us a better team anyway. And we are not winning it all this year. We will get in the playoffs and maybe we even come out of round 1. After that you have a whole summer were you can see to improve. No need to do it now, especially if you are sure to grab Melo in the off season. |
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
1/2/2011 1:30 PM LAST EDITED: 1/2/2011 1:31 PM
SteveSmith wrote:TMS wrote: we're not sure Melo will even be a FA this summer... if we were sure about that then there would be no discussion about trading for him by any team... IMO it's a bigger gamble passing up on him than it is to trade for him... at least we know the type of player he is & the type of impact he can have on a franchise... the Nuggets went from 17 wins to 43 in his rookie season & have never won less than that... the past 3 seasons they've been a 50+ win team in a tougher WC... people wanna discount his impact because he only got the team past the 1st round of the playoffs once & fail to consider the extenuating circumstances surrounding those losses & who they lost to... this guy is a legitimate franchise player the same way Amare is one... when i think about putting both of those guys together on the same team, it's just too enticing to pass up on... having an elite outside scoring presence combined with an elite inside scoring presence is gonna put us on the level of the LA Lakers matchup wise. After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
1/2/2011 2:22 PM
The only real sticking point is Denver. They seem intent on getting more for him than most teams that give up a star. I can understand their desire, but I don't see why Melo would agree to go to the Nets after they pretty much mortgage the future and present just to get him. If i'm Melo I force Denver's hand as much as I can and make they make a deal with NY. Lopez is OK, but he's not Amar'e. Melo has to see that and plus he and STAT are friends. I just don't know what the deal is, cuz this should be a done deal already. Melo's best option is NY and he has the veto power in that he can say he won't sign with NJ.
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rvwink
Posts: 20412 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/3/2006 Member: #1145 |
1/2/2011 5:21 PM
Just to speculate, it is generally a good idea to remain on good terms with your employer. So I don't think Melo wants to upset Denver by removing all of their negotiating leverage. His best course is to stay on good terms with Denver, while also hopefully getting to go where he wants to go. This is particularly true because I don't think Melo is positive the Knick's are a sure thing to trade for him. So we are going to have to live with uncertainty of this potential trade probably until February.
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CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
1/2/2011 5:56 PM
martin wrote:Here's the thing with Jordan: Knicks essentially get one shot to sign and have him on bench at low low price. And especially with Melo trade possibility looming, there is not way a roster spot filled by Jordan would be occupied and then potentially cause roster # prob.I agree. He needs to stay where he can play, develop and not take up a roster spot. If his game develops the Knicks have his rights. I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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