holfresh wrote:I’m sure many of you saw the Knick/Orlando game with Steve Kerr's comments on MDA..I thought it was interesting because Kerr did not renew MDA’s contract...Kerr thought MDA is doing here exactly what he was doing at Phoenix...Kerr thought the Knicks won’t win if they were not hitting the three...Kerr said MDA played a short rotation in PHX...He said MDA thought he would save his players by limiting his practices while playing them extended minutes on gameday...He said MDA teams does not play good defense...Close to the end, Kerr laughed saying he have to give MDA credit because he was adamant "about doing things his way" and he is now...Kerr also ask MDA what the Knicks can learn by playing Miami and Orlando and he says nothing...MDA said we already know how we want to play or something to that effect...There is a bit more that I missed..But that was the gist of it, and thought it shed light on MDA's thinking..

MDA has Amar'e as his center, like PHX...Maybe Chandler can play the role of Marion, and Felton as Nash etc...Many here start threads about getting someone in the middle to help Amare..MDA already has his center, PG and just maybe his PF...Who knows if Carmelo has a place in what MDA envisions given that Melo excels being a ISO/Postup player...Personally I would like to see Melo here and I would also like to see the Knicks play defense first with an uptempo offense featuring the PnR and some ISO given the personnel...The three should never be a first option to driving and drawing the foul, but that's me..I'm just a fan...

In the pregame, Barkley dismissed the Knicks are being Phoenix East...MDA has been successful implementing his style of play...One would think he would tweak his plan given it had not yielded any rings yet...Maybe he wants to prove everyone wrong...

It's interesting to note that Kerr's tenure with the Suns was shorter than Coach Mike's.

rvwink wrote:So what is the interesting/sobering analysis? Steve Kerr tried to tell MDA how to coach, and MDA hit the road instead. The coach that Steve Kerr replaced MDA with, did worse, not better. Steve Kerr thought he was smarter than MDA and the statistics said otherwise. Steve Kerr doesn't have an objective opinion about MDA. So what is the "sobering" message you are sharing?

MDA has the Knick's moving in a highly positive direction. Only problem is that it appears that the majority of this forum haven't a clue as to MDA being largely responsible for the Knicks successful turnaround.

i think anything Steve Kerr says about MDA has to be taken w/a grain of salt because of the past history, & i agree that MDA deserves part of the credit for the turn around this team has shown this year... it's also pretty obvious that the turn around doesn't happen w/o Amare & Ray Felton coming into the picture... DW & the players have to get equal parts of the credit here.

Killa4luv wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:People are afraid of what they don't know. MDA's approach to the game takes many fans out of their comfort zone of '90s style hoops they're used to and still hungover from. And you can't blame them, it was a great decade for Knicks basketball.

A little trust from the fans will go a long way. Certainly the club's drastic turnaround from only a couple of seasons ago should be encouraging. Continued improvement will go a long way to promote this trust.

Thats not entirely true. Fans who've studied the game know that MDA's system has never yielded a championship. Never. Never been to the finals.
That style of play is not a championship style imho. I give him credit for helping to turn things around, but I never felt like he was a coach we could win a championship longterm with. Small ball doesn't win chips. Period.

I cringe when i look at all of these stretches where we are hoisting up 3's. We should trade for Crawford back, he'd love it here. But thats no way to win a championship.

There's no such thing as a 'championship style'. You go out to win games, there's no preset framework that a team has to follow in order to win the league.

If there are less teams attempting to win with a given approach then naturally the chances of a team with a more standard approach winning the league will be higher, because there are more of them.

Certainly MDA's Phoenix teams were in the hunt for the ring, this is evidenced by them coming within a C-hair of the Finals the year of the Horry hip check.

Once you're in the Finals, anything goes. If you're in a game 7 and 2 points away from being there, then your approach is working, it's a valid approach to the game that yields concrete, positive results.

orangeblobman wrote:

Killa4luv wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:People are afraid of what they don't know. MDA's approach to the game takes many fans out of their comfort zone of '90s style hoops they're used to and still hungover from. And you can't blame them, it was a great decade for Knicks basketball.

A little trust from the fans will go a long way. Certainly the club's drastic turnaround from only a couple of seasons ago should be encouraging. Continued improvement will go a long way to promote this trust.

Thats not entirely true. Fans who've studied the game know that MDA's system has never yielded a championship. Never. Never been to the finals.
That style of play is not a championship style imho. I give him credit for helping to turn things around, but I never felt like he was a coach we could win a championship longterm with. Small ball doesn't win chips. Period.

I cringe when i look at all of these stretches where we are hoisting up 3's. We should trade for Crawford back, he'd love it here. But thats no way to win a championship.

There's no such thing as a 'championship style'. You go out to win games, there's no preset framework that a team has to follow in order to win the league.

If there are less teams attempting to win with a given approach then naturally the chances of a team with a more standard approach winning the league will be higher, because there are more of them.

Certainly MDA's Phoenix teams were in the hunt for the ring, this is evidenced by them coming within a C-hair of the Finals the year of the Horry hip check.

Once you're in the Finals, anything goes. If you're in a game 7 and 2 points away from being there, then your approach is working, it's a valid approach to the game that yields concrete, positive results.

which game 7 are you referring to? the farthest the MDA Suns ever got to making the Finals was a game 6 vs. the Mavs in '06... they lost by 9 pts... the Spurs beat the Suns in 5 games the year prior.

TMS wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

Killa4luv wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:People are afraid of what they don't know. MDA's approach to the game takes many fans out of their comfort zone of '90s style hoops they're used to and still hungover from. And you can't blame them, it was a great decade for Knicks basketball.

A little trust from the fans will go a long way. Certainly the club's drastic turnaround from only a couple of seasons ago should be encouraging. Continued improvement will go a long way to promote this trust.

Thats not entirely true. Fans who've studied the game know that MDA's system has never yielded a championship. Never. Never been to the finals.
That style of play is not a championship style imho. I give him credit for helping to turn things around, but I never felt like he was a coach we could win a championship longterm with. Small ball doesn't win chips. Period.

I cringe when i look at all of these stretches where we are hoisting up 3's. We should trade for Crawford back, he'd love it here. But thats no way to win a championship.

There's no such thing as a 'championship style'. You go out to win games, there's no preset framework that a team has to follow in order to win the league.

If there are less teams attempting to win with a given approach then naturally the chances of a team with a more standard approach winning the league will be higher, because there are more of them.

Certainly MDA's Phoenix teams were in the hunt for the ring, this is evidenced by them coming within a C-hair of the Finals the year of the Horry hip check.

Once you're in the Finals, anything goes. If you're in a game 7 and 2 points away from being there, then your approach is working, it's a valid approach to the game that yields concrete, positive results.

which game 7 are you referring to? the farthest the MDA Suns ever got to making the Finals was a game 6 vs. the Mavs in '06... they lost by 9 pts... the Spurs beat the Suns in 5 games the year prior.

Despite that inaccuracy, it's also true that he had his teams in position in the toughest conference and really he didn't ahve the best team in any of those seasons. He got unlucky one year with the freak injury to Johnson. He got jobbed the hip check year. He was VERY close to being able to get over the hump. Our biggest issue is to have Donnie finish this team and put TITLE winning talent on the roster.

nixluva wrote:

TMS wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

Killa4luv wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:People are afraid of what they don't know. MDA's approach to the game takes many fans out of their comfort zone of '90s style hoops they're used to and still hungover from. And you can't blame them, it was a great decade for Knicks basketball.

A little trust from the fans will go a long way. Certainly the club's drastic turnaround from only a couple of seasons ago should be encouraging. Continued improvement will go a long way to promote this trust.

Thats not entirely true. Fans who've studied the game know that MDA's system has never yielded a championship. Never. Never been to the finals.
That style of play is not a championship style imho. I give him credit for helping to turn things around, but I never felt like he was a coach we could win a championship longterm with. Small ball doesn't win chips. Period.

I cringe when i look at all of these stretches where we are hoisting up 3's. We should trade for Crawford back, he'd love it here. But thats no way to win a championship.

There's no such thing as a 'championship style'. You go out to win games, there's no preset framework that a team has to follow in order to win the league.

If there are less teams attempting to win with a given approach then naturally the chances of a team with a more standard approach winning the league will be higher, because there are more of them.

Certainly MDA's Phoenix teams were in the hunt for the ring, this is evidenced by them coming within a C-hair of the Finals the year of the Horry hip check.

Once you're in the Finals, anything goes. If you're in a game 7 and 2 points away from being there, then your approach is working, it's a valid approach to the game that yields concrete, positive results.

which game 7 are you referring to? the farthest the MDA Suns ever got to making the Finals was a game 6 vs. the Mavs in '06... they lost by 9 pts... the Spurs beat the Suns in 5 games the year prior.

Despite that inaccuracy, it's also true that he had his teams in position in the toughest conference and really he didn't ahve the best team in any of those seasons. He got unlucky one year with the freak injury to Johnson. He got jobbed the hip check year. He was VERY close to being able to get over the hump. Our biggest issue is to have Donnie finish this team and put TITLE winning talent on the roster.

I also don't understand the "red flag" issue. Mike's team has some improving to do before the Knicks can be completely competitive with the Heat. The issue is certainly not Mike learning something about how to change his defense against the Heat. The fault is not his system, it is that his rotation needs some additions. and the Knick's already in place also have some improving to do. So why specifically is Mike's answer a red flag?

TMS wrote:

rvwink wrote:So what is the interesting/sobering analysis? Steve Kerr tried to tell MDA how to coach, and MDA hit the road instead. The coach that Steve Kerr replaced MDA with, did worse, not better. Steve Kerr thought he was smarter than MDA and the statistics said otherwise. Steve Kerr doesn't have an objective opinion about MDA. So what is the "sobering" message you are sharing?

MDA has the Knick's moving in a highly positive direction. Only problem is that it appears that the majority of this forum haven't a clue as to MDA being largely responsible for the Knicks successful turnaround.

i think anything Steve Kerr says about MDA has to be taken w/a grain of salt because of the past history, & i agree that MDA deserves part of the credit for the turn around this team has shown this year... it's also pretty obvious that the turn around doesn't happen w/o Amare & Ray Felton coming into the picture... DW & the players have to get equal parts of the credit here.

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

TMS wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

Killa4luv wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:People are afraid of what they don't know. MDA's approach to the game takes many fans out of their comfort zone of '90s style hoops they're used to and still hungover from. And you can't blame them, it was a great decade for Knicks basketball.

A little trust from the fans will go a long way. Certainly the club's drastic turnaround from only a couple of seasons ago should be encouraging. Continued improvement will go a long way to promote this trust.

Thats not entirely true. Fans who've studied the game know that MDA's system has never yielded a championship. Never. Never been to the finals.
That style of play is not a championship style imho. I give him credit for helping to turn things around, but I never felt like he was a coach we could win a championship longterm with. Small ball doesn't win chips. Period.

I cringe when i look at all of these stretches where we are hoisting up 3's. We should trade for Crawford back, he'd love it here. But thats no way to win a championship.

There's no such thing as a 'championship style'. You go out to win games, there's no preset framework that a team has to follow in order to win the league.

If there are less teams attempting to win with a given approach then naturally the chances of a team with a more standard approach winning the league will be higher, because there are more of them.

Certainly MDA's Phoenix teams were in the hunt for the ring, this is evidenced by them coming within a C-hair of the Finals the year of the Horry hip check.

Once you're in the Finals, anything goes. If you're in a game 7 and 2 points away from being there, then your approach is working, it's a valid approach to the game that yields concrete, positive results.

which game 7 are you referring to? the farthest the MDA Suns ever got to making the Finals was a game 6 vs. the Mavs in '06... they lost by 9 pts... the Spurs beat the Suns in 5 games the year prior.

Despite that inaccuracy, it's also true that he had his teams in position in the toughest conference and really he didn't ahve the best team in any of those seasons. He got unlucky one year with the freak injury to Johnson. He got jobbed the hip check year. He was VERY close to being able to get over the hump. Our biggest issue is to have Donnie finish this team and put TITLE winning talent on the roster.

I think his 04=05 team was the best that year. He started Nash, Amare, Marion, Johnson and and they were all healthy and put up great numbers. I don't think most coaches have 3-4 hofs in their prime very often.

Amar'e and Johnson were still kids at that point with very little Playoff experience. Marion is not a HOF player. Joe Johnson is good, but let's not overstate how good he really is. Nash and Amar'e had the most talent on that team and really the style of play MAXED OUT the talents of everyone involved.

That team was gonna be good, but they exceeded most peoples predictions. Joe Johnson got hurt and missed the 1st 2 games of that Spurs series. Mind you they were playing the FREAKIN SPURS! I mean this whole argument gets tired cuz you have to be fare at some point and acknowledge that Mike did some really great things and we really can do some great things here with just the right move to improve the roster.