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12/28/2010  10:26 PM
I think he can be our second go to guy after Amare. He has the talent, array of spin moves, mid range game, a little post up game, improved 3 point shot, aggressive drive and finish at the bucket, defense, and shot blocking. I really see the ability, however he needs to step up and get to the free throw line more. Miami will always double and triple team Amare until Chandler and Gallo pick up their level of play. Chandler definitely has the skills. I saw the potential since his rookie year. He just needs to be more agressive and have plays set up for him to take the burden off of Amare.

In addition, Gallinari has got to develop a mid range game. Although he can obviously shoot, too many come from the 3 point line and not enough from 15 to 18 feet out. He either shoots 3's, drives in for a dunk or makes a weak attempt towards the hole resulting in a turnover. Gallo disappears every game after going on spurts.

Felton has played as well as we can ask for this year. He does need to continue to improve on the pick and roll with Amare, that way Amare can finish more and create less.

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12/28/2010  10:28 PM
Wilson Chandler is barely a fringe all star.

Love the kid, but we need more.

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12/28/2010  10:33 PM
OffDaMeterzzzz wrote:I think he can be our second go to guy after Amare. He has the talent, array of spin moves, mid range game, a little post up game, improved 3 point shot, aggressive drive and finish at the bucket, defense, and shot blocking. I really see the ability, however he needs to step up and get to the free throw line more. Miami will always double and triple team Amare until Chandler and Gallo pick up their level of play. Chandler definitely has the skills. I saw the potential since his rookie year. He just needs to be more agressive and have plays set up for him to take the burden off of Amare.

In addition, Gallinari has got to develop a mid range game. Although he can obviously shoot, too many come from the 3 point line and not enough from 15 to 18 feet out. He either shoots 3's, drives in for a dunk or makes a weak attempt towards the hole resulting in a turnover. Gallo disappears every game after going on spurts.

Felton has played as well as we can ask for this year. He does need to continue to improve on the pick and roll with Amare, that way Amare can finish more and create less.

Chandler is better than Fields or Gallo.

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12/28/2010  10:35 PM
gallo has been an efficient scorer despite his bad fg%. he made one REALLY BAD judgment shooting a contested 20 footer against lebron with around 2 minutes remaining but aside from that he has made good decisions with the basketball.

chandler has been the most consistent producer for us so far this season and really started by him making better judgement with the basketball. when he forces perimeter shots he is at his worst but he's cut those down dramatically after he got into the starting lineup.

we're incorporating more and more plays every game. the elbow iso, the top of the key pnr and amar'e off the curl. gallo is a much better ball handler though so i'd like to see him off the elbow and create for amar'e.

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12/28/2010  10:35 PM
I agree, but I don't think we are fully utilizing his ability on the court. His skills are just starting to show this season. I think he can take on more of the scoring responsibility to help Amare. At this point, we are running the risk of running Amare to the ground.

I would like Carmello as a free agent because of his dominant mid range game, however his defense has been non-existent and unacceptable with the exception of the Denver-Laker playoff series around 4 years ago when he guarded Kobe.

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12/28/2010  10:42 PM
Gallo disappears way too much and is inconsistent. I would like to see him have more of a presence by incorporating a mid range game in addition to his 3 point shot. He also needs to get to the FT line much more by taking the ball to the hoop more often and more agressively with his awkward dribble rather than fumbling it out of bounds.
FistOfOakley wrote:gallo has been an efficient scorer despite his bad fg%. he made one REALLY BAD judgment shooting a contested 20 footer against lebron with around 2 minutes remaining but aside from that he has made good decisions with the basketball.

chandler has been the most consistent producer for us so far this season and really started by him making better judgement with the basketball. when he forces perimeter shots he is at his worst but he's cut those down dramatically after he got into the starting lineup.

we're incorporating more and more plays every game. the elbow iso, the top of the key pnr and amar'e off the curl. gallo is a much better ball handler though so i'd like to see him off the elbow and create for amar'e.

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12/28/2010  10:45 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
OffDaMeterzzzz wrote:I think he can be our second go to guy after Amare. He has the talent, array of spin moves, mid range game, a little post up game, improved 3 point shot, aggressive drive and finish at the bucket, defense, and shot blocking. I really see the ability, however he needs to step up and get to the free throw line more. Miami will always double and triple team Amare until Chandler and Gallo pick up their level of play. Chandler definitely has the skills. I saw the potential since his rookie year. He just needs to be more agressive and have plays set up for him to take the burden off of Amare.

In addition, Gallinari has got to develop a mid range game. Although he can obviously shoot, too many come from the 3 point line and not enough from 15 to 18 feet out. He either shoots 3's, drives in for a dunk or makes a weak attempt towards the hole resulting in a turnover. Gallo disappears every game after going on spurts.

Felton has played as well as we can ask for this year. He does need to continue to improve on the pick and roll with Amare, that way Amare can finish more and create less.

Chandler is better than Fields or Gallo.

I agree.

The verdict isn't out on Fields yet because he's just a rookie. Quite an impressive one. But he'll always be better than Gallo.

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12/28/2010  10:48 PM
i don't think Wilson has a good enough handle to create shots for himself consistently & become a featured player in this offense... he needs to play more of the Shawn Marion 3rd player type role if anything, getting his points hitting spot up J's, finishing on the break, getting putbacks, alley oop dunks off back door cuts, etc... he also needs to get to the FT line a lot more than he's been doing if he wants to be the 2nd go to guy next to Amare.
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12/28/2010  10:50 PM
TMS wrote:i don't think Wilson has a good enough handle to create shots for himself consistently & become a featured player in this offense... he needs to play more of the Shawn Marion 3rd player type role if anything, getting his points hitting spot up J's, finishing on the break, getting putbacks, alley oop dunks off back door cuts, etc... he also needs to get to the FT line a lot more than he's been doing if he wants to be the 2nd go to guy next to Amare.

That has been Chandler's issue for 3 seasons now. His limited handle limits what he can do in a 1 on 1 situation.

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12/28/2010  11:39 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
TMS wrote:i don't think Wilson has a good enough handle to create shots for himself consistently & become a featured player in this offense... he needs to play more of the Shawn Marion 3rd player type role if anything, getting his points hitting spot up J's, finishing on the break, getting putbacks, alley oop dunks off back door cuts, etc... he also needs to get to the FT line a lot more than he's been doing if he wants to be the 2nd go to guy next to Amare.

That has been Chandler's issue for 3 seasons now. His limited handle limits what he can do in a 1 on 1 situation.


pretty simple to see that.. and honestly, he is much better when he is getting the ball and he doesn't have to make many other decisions.. his handle and inability to finish or use his left limits him..

I am suprised to hear anyone say he is better than gallo.. gallo can really get where he wants to on the court... his first basket of the night was on a dunk going left by leberon... now I know gallo isn't faster than lebron, but how is it that he can beat a lot of guys smaller andquicker than him.. Honestly I would like to see him get more touches.. and for those that keep talking about him and his midrange game.. look at that midranges shot he hit off the dribble tonight.. the kid has a complete game.. knicks need to stop making him a 4th option..

what is best for the knicks is to get a SG like OJ mayo, so he can also run some backup point.. and a big who can start.. fields and chandler off the bench would be great and at this point.. for the knicks..

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12/28/2010  11:39 PM
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OffDaMeterzzzz wrote:I think he can be our second go to guy after Amare. He has the talent, array of spin moves, mid range game, a little post up game, improved 3 point shot, aggressive drive and finish at the bucket, defense, and shot blocking. I really see the ability, however he needs to step up and get to the free throw line more. Miami will always double and triple team Amare until Chandler and Gallo pick up their level of play. Chandler definitely has the skills. I saw the potential since his rookie year. He just needs to be more agressive and have plays set up for him to take the burden off of Amare.

In addition, Gallinari has got to develop a mid range game. Although he can obviously shoot, too many come from the 3 point line and not enough from 15 to 18 feet out. He either shoots 3's, drives in for a dunk or makes a weak attempt towards the hole resulting in a turnover. Gallo disappears every game after going on spurts.

Felton has played as well as we can ask for this year. He does need to continue to improve on the pick and roll with Amare, that way Amare can finish more and create less.

Chandler is better than Fields or Gallo.

100% dissagree

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12/28/2010  11:42 PM
tkf wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
TMS wrote:i don't think Wilson has a good enough handle to create shots for himself consistently & become a featured player in this offense... he needs to play more of the Shawn Marion 3rd player type role if anything, getting his points hitting spot up J's, finishing on the break, getting putbacks, alley oop dunks off back door cuts, etc... he also needs to get to the FT line a lot more than he's been doing if he wants to be the 2nd go to guy next to Amare.

That has been Chandler's issue for 3 seasons now. His limited handle limits what he can do in a 1 on 1 situation.


pretty simple to see that.. and honestly, he is much better when he is getting the ball and he doesn't have to make many other decisions.. his handle and inability to finish or use his left limits him..

I am suprised to hear anyone say he is better than gallo.. gallo can really get where he wants to on the court... his first basket of the night was on a dunk going left by leberon... now I know gallo isn't faster than lebron, but how is it that he can beat a lot of guys smaller andquicker than him.. Honestly I would like to see him get more touches.. and for those that keep talking about him and his midrange game.. look at that midranges shot he hit off the dribble tonight.. the kid has a complete game.. knicks need to stop making him a 4th option..

what is best for the knicks is to get a SG like OJ mayo, so he can also run some backup point.. and a big who can start.. fields and chandler off the bench would be great and at this point.. for the knicks..

would u be happy with Iggy as a plan B? he can create his own shot too & can dish out assists... plus he plays much better defense than Mayo, but not as good a shooter.

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12/28/2010  11:45 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/28/2010  11:46 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
TMS wrote:i don't think Wilson has a good enough handle to create shots for himself consistently & become a featured player in this offense... he needs to play more of the Shawn Marion 3rd player type role if anything, getting his points hitting spot up J's, finishing on the break, getting putbacks, alley oop dunks off back door cuts, etc... he also needs to get to the FT line a lot more than he's been doing if he wants to be the 2nd go to guy next to Amare.

That has been Chandler's issue for 3 seasons now. His limited handle limits what he can do in a 1 on 1 situation.

None of our wings can use their dribble consistently when squared up against defense not without a clear open lane. One thing that separates Chandler from the others is the ability to dribble and rise for a midrange jumper. Tonight he was given the lane left took it off the dribble late met by a second defender getting through splits and was able to finish. He also has the the long stride step to clear himself from picking up his dribble early converts pretty consistently here. The another thing he can do better than Fields and Gallo is finish at the rim. Gallo is pretty good at drawing fouls problem with him is the consistency doing it and knowing when. Fields is just a rookie still so his offensive game has room to grow even more than the other two.

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12/28/2010  11:47 PM
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OffDaMeterzzzz wrote:I think he can be our second go to guy after Amare. He has the talent, array of spin moves, mid range game, a little post up game, improved 3 point shot, aggressive drive and finish at the bucket, defense, and shot blocking. I really see the ability, however he needs to step up and get to the free throw line more. Miami will always double and triple team Amare until Chandler and Gallo pick up their level of play. Chandler definitely has the skills. I saw the potential since his rookie year. He just needs to be more agressive and have plays set up for him to take the burden off of Amare.

In addition, Gallinari has got to develop a mid range game. Although he can obviously shoot, too many come from the 3 point line and not enough from 15 to 18 feet out. He either shoots 3's, drives in for a dunk or makes a weak attempt towards the hole resulting in a turnover. Gallo disappears every game after going on spurts.

Felton has played as well as we can ask for this year. He does need to continue to improve on the pick and roll with Amare, that way Amare can finish more and create less.

Chandler is better than Fields or Gallo.

As of right now he is. Fields kills them both in the intangible category

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12/28/2010  11:48 PM
iggy imo is probably the best realistic option at the moment. but in order for him to have a full impact we'd basically have to give up nobody for him which probably isn't happening.
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12/28/2010  11:49 PM
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OffDaMeterzzzz wrote:I think he can be our second go to guy after Amare. He has the talent, array of spin moves, mid range game, a little post up game, improved 3 point shot, aggressive drive and finish at the bucket, defense, and shot blocking. I really see the ability, however he needs to step up and get to the free throw line more. Miami will always double and triple team Amare until Chandler and Gallo pick up their level of play. Chandler definitely has the skills. I saw the potential since his rookie year. He just needs to be more agressive and have plays set up for him to take the burden off of Amare.

In addition, Gallinari has got to develop a mid range game. Although he can obviously shoot, too many come from the 3 point line and not enough from 15 to 18 feet out. He either shoots 3's, drives in for a dunk or makes a weak attempt towards the hole resulting in a turnover. Gallo disappears every game after going on spurts.

Felton has played as well as we can ask for this year. He does need to continue to improve on the pick and roll with Amare, that way Amare can finish more and create less.

Chandler is better than Fields or Gallo.

ok but in this offensive scheme it doesnt matter much who is better since i think blueseats rightfully pointed it out in game thread.. mda is either gonna dump it to amar'e or rain threes. nothing in the middle. coach does not focus the offense on chandler or gallo when they have the hot hand. would be nice if that changed. plus. when felton is hot (since toney clearly-cant) have one of the forwards play point-forward.

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12/28/2010  11:56 PM
TMS wrote:
tkf wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
TMS wrote:i don't think Wilson has a good enough handle to create shots for himself consistently & become a featured player in this offense... he needs to play more of the Shawn Marion 3rd player type role if anything, getting his points hitting spot up J's, finishing on the break, getting putbacks, alley oop dunks off back door cuts, etc... he also needs to get to the FT line a lot more than he's been doing if he wants to be the 2nd go to guy next to Amare.

That has been Chandler's issue for 3 seasons now. His limited handle limits what he can do in a 1 on 1 situation.


pretty simple to see that.. and honestly, he is much better when he is getting the ball and he doesn't have to make many other decisions.. his handle and inability to finish or use his left limits him..

I am suprised to hear anyone say he is better than gallo.. gallo can really get where he wants to on the court... his first basket of the night was on a dunk going left by leberon... now I know gallo isn't faster than lebron, but how is it that he can beat a lot of guys smaller andquicker than him.. Honestly I would like to see him get more touches.. and for those that keep talking about him and his midrange game.. look at that midranges shot he hit off the dribble tonight.. the kid has a complete game.. knicks need to stop making him a 4th option..

what is best for the knicks is to get a SG like OJ mayo, so he can also run some backup point.. and a big who can start.. fields and chandler off the bench would be great and at this point.. for the knicks..

would u be happy with Iggy as a plan B? he can create his own shot too & can dish out assists... plus he plays much better defense than Mayo, but not as good a shooter.


not a big fan of iggy, his lack of a jumper just turns me off, but he is a SG, and is a better defender, creator, and finisher than both chandler and fields.. just too expensive..

mayo would be a lot cheaper...

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AnubisADL wrote:
TMS wrote:i don't think Wilson has a good enough handle to create shots for himself consistently & become a featured player in this offense... he needs to play more of the Shawn Marion 3rd player type role if anything, getting his points hitting spot up J's, finishing on the break, getting putbacks, alley oop dunks off back door cuts, etc... he also needs to get to the FT line a lot more than he's been doing if he wants to be the 2nd go to guy next to Amare.

That has been Chandler's issue for 3 seasons now. His limited handle limits what he can do in a 1 on 1 situation.

None of our wings can use their dribble consistently when squared up against defense not without a clear open lane. One thing that separates Chandler from the others is the ability to dribble and rise for a midrange jumper. Tonight he was given the lane left took it off the dribble late met by a second defender getting through splits and was able to finish. He also has the the long stride step to clear himself from picking up his dribble early converts pretty consistently here. The another thing he can do better than Fields and Gallo is finish at the rim. Gallo is pretty good at drawing fouls problem with him is the consistency doing it and knowing when. Fields is just a rookie still so his offensive game has room to grow even more than the other two.

I don't know man. gallo did that tonight on wade and with relative ease.. one thing with gallo. either guys are playing off of him andhe can shoot the three, or they are too close and he can take it all the way, like he did vs lebron to night... when they did catch him in between he hit a tough dribble and rise mid range shot over wade.. the thing with gallo is that he rarely has a clear and open lane, but he does a good job creating space with jab steps, and fakes.... one of the things that chandler just does not posess.. chandler does well to score with limited weapons.. and weapons I mean a handle, post game, or ability to go left effectively..

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12/29/2010  12:01 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/29/2010  12:03 AM
FistOfOakley wrote:iggy imo is probably the best realistic option at the moment. but in order for him to have a full impact we'd basically have to give up nobody for him which probably isn't happening.

i'm guessing you're gonna have to give up at least Fields or AR + picks to get him along w/filler contracts to match the dollars... u would only have enough cap space left over to sign 1 midlevel salary type FA though after u make that kind of move, but at least ur not looking at having to unload Turiaf to clear cap space... i still like the Melo option better but i wouldn't be upset if we had to settle for AI2 & a defensive big like Reggie Evans... u might have to still renounce Wilson tho, so it might not be worth the dropoff in production

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12/29/2010  12:12 AM
iggy in a real crappy shooting year thus far has 5.5 assists and 1.8 turnovers. he has the best assist/to ratio for SG's in the league. and if there's anything that can be improved over the course of your career it's your jumpshot.

again, i don't think he's entirely the answer but i think we actually improve the offense with him. i think it's pretty clear that when gallo and chandler have room they score pretty effectively it's just that they don't get that room for themselves too well. amar'e is much better when shots are created for him as well.

replacing shots from gallo or chandler with melo is more sideways because you're not giving them more opportunities. and no the threat of melo is not going to create more space because he can't hit the 3. iggy can't do it either but he can get to the basket and actually give the ball up for others unlike melo.

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