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grillco
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12/23/2010  11:22 AM
Smith was not impressed and sees them as a 6-8 seed, but our boy Anthony says top six at least. I thought it was interesting on ESPN, TNT, and other coverage how this was a big test week with the Nuggets, Celts, Heat, and OK and when they lost to the Celtics and Heat the Knicks suddenly weren't any good. The coverage pretty muched dismissed them beating the Nuggets, a great team, downplayed how they basically controlled the Celtics game until the last five minutes (at team any one would realize and admit is clearly superior to the Knicks), and got blown out by Tres douches who one would be hard pressed not to admit SHOULD beat the Knicks and most other teams they play. Clearly losing to the Cavs was bad, but bad games happen AND the two most important players have to be feeling those minutes.

Anyway, it's hard for the sports news to dismiss the Knicks when they handily beat Durant and his 20-9 team (now 20-10 thanks to the NYK). Great team play last night with an excellent distribution of stats. Not only are the Knicks winning, but they're doing like the Pistons did with TEAM play. Amare didn't carry the team last night, they all just worked together to get the win.

This is a special unit and I wish Melo would take the chance, ride out the season in Denver, and come join this group, instead of forcing the removal of key guys to secure the current extension offer. New York is like LA in that the money to be made in endorsements will beat that of any of any other two or three cities combined...he won't "lose" a penny, it'll just come from other places. And if he were to be part of bring a ring back to NYC, there's not limit to the $$$ opportunities.

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12/23/2010  11:41 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/23/2010  4:06 PM
I think top six is a realistic evaluation of this team. Unless you feel Indiana, Milwaukee and Philadelphia have a huge run in them, I think sixth seed is probably where we are headed. Milwaukee took a big hit with Jennnings' injury and the 76ers are probably one three game losing streak away from going into rebuild mode.

I like the Jet, but I think he carries some resentment towards the organization dating back to his short stint as color commentator.

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12/23/2010  11:51 AM
6th in the east seems right to me. could go to 5th if the bench steps up, or we could slide down if wear and tear catches up with us.
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12/23/2010  11:52 AM
Smith goes back and forth all the time. He was on the bandwagon just before the Heat game. He was basically saying that the Knicks had proved they were a good up and coming team. Not great of course, but playing hard and as a team. He admitted that he was wrong about them and that Felton and Amar'e exceeded his expectations.

Look the Knicks have a solid core of guys Amar'e, Felton, Chan and Gallo along with Fields is a very effective and competitive SL. We've seen them go up against just about everyone and they look strong. The only issue we've had as a team is what we can expect from our bench. It's been clear that when we get good play from our bench we're a solid 2nd tier team. We're better than the predicted 7/8 seed.

If at any point we can improve the roster that will only help give us more of a punchers chance in the playoffs.

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12/23/2010  12:02 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:I think top six is a realistic evaluation of this team. Unless you feel Indiana, Milwaukee and Philadelphia have a huge run in them, I think sixth seed is probably where we are heeded. Milwaukee took a big hit with Jennnings injury and the 76ers are probably one three game losing streak away from going into rebuild mode.

I like the Jet, but I think he carries some resentment towards the organization dating back to his short stint as color commentator.

I generally like Kenny too, but he was certainly down on NYK last night.

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12/23/2010  12:19 PM
Really could not care less what these two"gurus???????" think. They knick have shown they are solidly entrenched in the 5-6 position and unlike the ones above them have built in upside with the youth and inexperience on the roster like Wilson who has shown tremendous improvement in most facets, Gallo who has become an all around asset and when his shot comes back can take over in his second full year, TD with his growing pains, williams, Moz and AR who have the innate ability and need to learn to use it. Rautins -who knows?? Yes we could use another PG and C but that may already be here-its just a matter of time.
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12/23/2010  12:21 PM
Others feel different..

NEW YORK – Sometimes your team just gets overwhelmed. Wednesday was such a night for the Thunder.

The suddenly slumping New York Knicks needed a get-well game, and they got healthy with a 112-98 victory over the Thunder before an appreciative crowd of 19,763 inside Madison Square Garden.

Thunder guard Russell Westbrook (0) drives against New York Knicks guard Toney Douglas (23). AP photo


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Essentially, the Thunder was done in by three spurts that totaled 30-0 in a span of just 5 minutes, 15 seconds — an 11-0 run in the second quarter that took 1:49; a 10-0 run in the second quarter that took 1:29; and a 9-0 run in the fourth that took 1:57.

OKC slowly clawed its way back each time but didn't have near the juice to get the job done, which is why Thunder coach Scott Brooks yanked his remaining starters with 5:27 left in the game.

“Enough is enough,” Brooks explained of his final substitution. “I thought with 7½-8 minutes left we had one last run, but it didn't materialize.”

The Knicks (17-12) came in riding a three-game losing streak but also were coming off three days rest. Before their recent slide, the Knicks had won eight straight and 13 of 14.

Meanwhile, the Thunder (20-10) was playing the second half of a back-to-back on the road after Tuesday's victory against Charlotte. Oklahoma City also was missing starting center Nenad Krstic for the seventh straight game with a lower back strain.

Though fatigue and not being at full strength are convenient excuses, the fact of the matter is the Knicks are a matchup nightmare for the Thunder.

The primary case-in-point was 21-year-old Serge Ibaka, the youngest player on the Thunder roster. While Ibaka battled gallantly underneath for eight rebounds (six offensive), he went scoreless and shot 0 for 6 from the field.

Half of Ibaka's shots were blocked by the Knicks, who held a block party with nine rejections.

While detailing the Knicks, Brooks repeated, ‘They're good” five times during his 4½-minute postgame interview session.

All five New York starters scored in double-digits, and the Knicks handed out 30 assists.

“They have a lot of good players,” Brooks said. “Their starting five, they're good. They're well-coached. They play hard. They move the ball. That was as well of a first half of passing that I've seen all year against us. Just go down the line. Everyone on that team, they know what they're supposed to do, and they do it well.”

With the sellout crowd frequently chanting “M-V-P,” free-agent acquisition Amar'e Stoudemire had 23 points, seven rebounds, four assists and three blocks. Rookie Landry Fields had 14 points and 10 rebounds. Newly acquired point guard Raymond Felton had 12 points and 10 assists.

“We knew we were going to be in for a battle,” Brooks said. “We didn't come in with the right mindset. They're a physical team. They really had their hands on us and really pushed us around a little too much, and we didn't take the challenge.”

The Thunder shot just 39.2 percent from the field and had only one more assist (15) than turnovers (14).

“We had too much isolation basketball tonight,” Brooks said. “We're a good team. We're a talented team, but when we try to play too much one-on-one, it's hard to score in this league when you do that. You need your teammates. Sometimes we did it, and sometimes we didn't, and that's not how we play.”

Scoring champion Kevin Durant had 13 points in the first quarter, yet finished with 26.

“They did a good job of switching and putting bodies on him and making him see bodies,” Brooks said. “That's what great scorers have to deal with every night in this league. Kevin usually figures it out, but he didn't have it going in the second half. Combination of we didn't give him better looks, he didn't work for better looks. I have to do a better job of getting him in position to get better looks.

“He's going to learn from this game.”

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12/23/2010  12:28 PM
^ that's a good read. and i have serious concerns that melo would disrupt and detract from a lot of what brooks said about our team chemistry on the offensive and defensive ends.
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12/23/2010  3:21 PM
I flat out think Kenny Smith is just bitter towards the Knicks b/c of how his situation as a part time Knicks broadcaster was handled. He feels like he was lowballed... The problem was... he sucked.
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12/23/2010  4:38 PM
Marv wrote:^ that's a good read. and i have serious concerns that melo would disrupt and detract from a lot of what brooks said about our team chemistry on the offensive and defensive ends.

I must admit that I worry about that a little bit. I think tho that in time Melo would adjust to how we play and he'd probably like it, cuz he's should see some great looks in this system and with Amar'e and Felton drawing attention. It would be impossible for teams to defend us well with those guys on the court. Mike has effectively worked with a team full of All Stars when he had the Olympic team so I have some confidence that he'd figure it out and help Melo to excel.
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12/23/2010  4:54 PM
nixluva wrote:
Marv wrote:^ that's a good read. and i have serious concerns that melo would disrupt and detract from a lot of what brooks said about our team chemistry on the offensive and defensive ends.

I must admit that I worry about that a little bit. I think tho that in time Melo would adjust to how we play and he'd probably like it, cuz he's should see some great looks in this system and with Amar'e and Felton drawing attention. It would be impossible for teams to defend us well with those guys on the court. Mike has effectively worked with a team full of All Stars when he had the Olympic team so I have some confidence that he'd figure it out and help Melo to excel.

you know something i don't know...you speak as if it's a done deal

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