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If you watched tonight's game and don't understand why people DO NOT want to trade ANYONE from the starting unit
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12/22/2010  10:25 PM
you have your answer. 30 assists fantastic play--and a little help from the bench goes a long way. Yes we were fresh and not worn down. That darn Celtic game which we shouldve won--cost us a little lull--but this is a great team that will get better. .
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12/22/2010  10:29 PM
this team played great tonight, there's no denying it... they're also an Amare injury away from becoming a lottery team again... having another star on the team insures against that from happening
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12/22/2010  10:30 PM
this is what depth and skill and size gets you. Any one Knick can score, take his man off the dribble and find an open guy and finish. That was a hell of a good team and good defense we shredded out there.

I love how EVERYTIME opposing defenses seem to soften up Felton takes it right to the hole. Yea... I said hole

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12/22/2010  10:33 PM
Funny how you only make these type of posts after we win. LOL
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12/22/2010  10:34 PM
I don't disagree that another star is always a great thing. I think tho that it all depends on how you get that star. Right now we're not in panic mode! That lack of desperation allows us to really be smart about what we do. We're not in a rush either. There's a lot of time left to evaluate what we have and I fully expect that to happen, before Donnie makes any moves. We need to see just how much we already have and that is a good position to be in.

I think we still have a bit of time to see if we can develop AR and Timo rather than try to bring in someone else. The same goes for TD. So long as we can win games it gives us the time to really evaluate and explore deals too. It also puts us in a position of strength. Fact is we're not desperate. We're in a good spot.

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12/22/2010  10:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/22/2010  10:41 PM
TMS wrote:this team played great tonight, there's no denying it... they're also an Amare injury away from becoming a lottery team again... having another star on the team insures against that from happening

Right on the money. We've had different opinions on the Jeffries trade in the past, but in 100% agreement with you here.

BRIGGS, I love the way this team has been playing in the past month but we're depending a lot on a guy that has had surgery on the same knee twice already.

If we can get Melo via trade while keeping one of Fields/Chandler/Gallo, I think that's something you would have to do if it comes down to us or the Nets. Obviously, I would love to just sign the guy in free agency and keep most of our depth, but if that isn't an option, we shouldn't be afraid to land him via trade as long as we're not giving up every young guy we have. Yeah we would lose some depth, but it's easier to add depth than it is to add a star player to your core.

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12/22/2010  10:44 PM
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TMS wrote:this team played great tonight, there's no denying it... they're also an Amare injury away from becoming a lottery team again... having another star on the team insures against that from happening

Right on the money. We've had different opinions on the Jeffries trade in the past, but in 100% agreement with you here.

BRIGGS, I love the way this team has been playing in the past month but we're depending a lot on a guy that has had surgery on the same knee twice already.

If we can get Melo via trade while keeping one of Fields/Chandler/Gallo, I think that's something you would have to do (assuming AR is only other significant asset that would have to be used). Yeah we would lose some depth, but it's easier to add depth than it is to add a star player to your core.

really ny just offers one, and bests nets offer what is korean for loco

Favors + Murphy + multiple first round picks (one from the Nets which will likely be lotto) means we have to put 2 of our good prospects in (minimum) to come close.

You can't possibly think offering one of those 3 prospects trumps the Nets offer alone.

"This is a very cautious situation that we're in. You have to be conservative in terms of using your assets and using them wisely. We're building for the future." - Zeke (I guess not protecting a first round pick is being conservative)
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12/22/2010  10:45 PM
s3231 wrote:
cheers wrote:
s3231 wrote:
TMS wrote:this team played great tonight, there's no denying it... they're also an Amare injury away from becoming a lottery team again... having another star on the team insures against that from happening

Right on the money. We've had different opinions on the Jeffries trade in the past, but in 100% agreement with you here.

BRIGGS, I love the way this team has been playing in the past month but we're depending a lot on a guy that has had surgery on the same knee twice already.

If we can get Melo via trade while keeping one of Fields/Chandler/Gallo, I think that's something you would have to do (assuming AR is only other significant asset that would have to be used). Yeah we would lose some depth, but it's easier to add depth than it is to add a star player to your core.

really ny just offers one, and bests nets offer what is korean for loco

Favors + Murphy + multiple first round picks (one from the Nets which will likely be lotto) means we have to put 2 of our good prospects in (minimum) to come close.

You can't possibly think offering one of those 3 prospects trumps the Nets offer alone.

tbh to trump the nets offer we would have to offer felton. there i said it. been thinking that for a while.

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12/22/2010  10:47 PM
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cheers wrote:
s3231 wrote:
TMS wrote:this team played great tonight, there's no denying it... they're also an Amare injury away from becoming a lottery team again... having another star on the team insures against that from happening

Right on the money. We've had different opinions on the Jeffries trade in the past, but in 100% agreement with you here.

BRIGGS, I love the way this team has been playing in the past month but we're depending a lot on a guy that has had surgery on the same knee twice already.

If we can get Melo via trade while keeping one of Fields/Chandler/Gallo, I think that's something you would have to do (assuming AR is only other significant asset that would have to be used). Yeah we would lose some depth, but it's easier to add depth than it is to add a star player to your core.

really ny just offers one, and bests nets offer what is korean for loco

Favors + Murphy + multiple first round picks (one from the Nets which will likely be lotto) means we have to put 2 of our good prospects in (minimum) to come close.

You can't possibly think offering one of those 3 prospects trumps the Nets offer alone.

I don't quite understand how some of you negotiate. Just because someone else give a stupid huge offer does not mean that you have to, especially considering the circumstances.

Just glad that Donnie is set for another nap until the day before trade deadline.

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12/22/2010  10:49 PM
If you watched the substitutions first and second half were almost identical and to the minute.
Felton sat out at the time out begin the 2nd and ditto the 4th. Willaims first off the bench and gave the Knicks extra hieght. Then TD in for Chandler about 5 mintes in the 1st and 3rd. Turiaf last in ran with Douglas and Amar'e on the floor while Felton was out. 9 man rotation.
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12/22/2010  10:50 PM
martin wrote:
s3231 wrote:
cheers wrote:
s3231 wrote:
TMS wrote:this team played great tonight, there's no denying it... they're also an Amare injury away from becoming a lottery team again... having another star on the team insures against that from happening

Right on the money. We've had different opinions on the Jeffries trade in the past, but in 100% agreement with you here.

BRIGGS, I love the way this team has been playing in the past month but we're depending a lot on a guy that has had surgery on the same knee twice already.

If we can get Melo via trade while keeping one of Fields/Chandler/Gallo, I think that's something you would have to do (assuming AR is only other significant asset that would have to be used). Yeah we would lose some depth, but it's easier to add depth than it is to add a star player to your core.

really ny just offers one, and bests nets offer what is korean for loco

Favors + Murphy + multiple first round picks (one from the Nets which will likely be lotto) means we have to put 2 of our good prospects in (minimum) to come close.

You can't possibly think offering one of those 3 prospects trumps the Nets offer alone.

I don't quite understand how some of you negotiate. Just because someone else give a stupid huge offer does not mean that you have to, especially considering the circumstances.

Just glad that Donnie is set for another nap until the day before trade deadline.

that is how it is playing out. if the nets gut what they have to get melo. then even if we offer gallo + chandler + fields. it does not add up to countering a nets all in play for melo. so donnie would have to pull out a ace card, felton, and thats when things get really crazy.

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12/22/2010  10:51 PM
Olbrannon wrote:If you watched the substitutions first and second half were almost identical and to the minute.
Felton sat out at the time out begin the 2nd and ditto the 4th. Willaims first off the bench and gave the Knicks extra hieght. Then TD in for Chandler about 5 mintes in the 1st and 3rd. Turiaf last in ran with Douglas and Amar'e on the floor while Felton was out. 9 man rotation.

pretty much been similar for a while.

Fields always first to bench. TD plays with Felton for a while. Amare sits. Amare comes in when Felton goes to bench. Usually Gallo goes to bench before Chandler.

All depends on fouls of course.

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12/22/2010  10:51 PM
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cheers wrote:
s3231 wrote:
TMS wrote:this team played great tonight, there's no denying it... they're also an Amare injury away from becoming a lottery team again... having another star on the team insures against that from happening

Right on the money. We've had different opinions on the Jeffries trade in the past, but in 100% agreement with you here.

BRIGGS, I love the way this team has been playing in the past month but we're depending a lot on a guy that has had surgery on the same knee twice already.

If we can get Melo via trade while keeping one of Fields/Chandler/Gallo, I think that's something you would have to do (assuming AR is only other significant asset that would have to be used). Yeah we would lose some depth, but it's easier to add depth than it is to add a star player to your core.

really ny just offers one, and bests nets offer what is korean for loco

Favors + Murphy + multiple first round picks (one from the Nets which will likely be lotto) means we have to put 2 of our good prospects in (minimum) to come close.

You can't possibly think offering one of those 3 prospects trumps the Nets offer alone.

if Melo is amenable to going to NJ, there's nothing we can offer to match NJ's offer w/o completely gutting the roster... it's up to Melo whether he wants to play for the Knicks or not... if he says no to NJ then DEN has no choice but to trade him to NY or lose him for nothing... DEN is trying to bluff Melo & scare him into accepting a trade to NJ because they don't wanna give in & move him to the team of his choice... it's up to Melo whether he wants to call their bluff or not... maybe it's not a bluff & they're really prepared to lose him for nothing rather than trade him to the Knicks... if that's the case, their fans would have every right to kill that GM for his handling of the situation... the smart thing for the Nuggets would be to trade him to the Knicks in that situation & accept 2 of our young players along w/filler & picks... that's as good as they can ever hope to get for Melo in that situation & at least they save some form of self respect by getting back usable assets & talent... are they going to blink here? is Melo? we shall soon see... this is like Phil Ivey vs. Doyle Brunson at the final table at the WSOP on an all-in bet for all the marbles.

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12/22/2010  10:52 PM
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Olbrannon wrote:If you watched the substitutions first and second half were almost identical and to the minute.
Felton sat out at the time out begin the 2nd and ditto the 4th. Willaims first off the bench and gave the Knicks extra hieght. Then TD in for Chandler about 5 mintes in the 1st and 3rd. Turiaf last in ran with Douglas and Amar'e on the floor while Felton was out. 9 man rotation.

pretty much been similar for a while.

Fields always first to bench. TD plays with Felton for a while. Amare sits. Amare comes in when Felton goes to bench. Usually Gallo goes to bench before Chandler.

All depends on fouls of course.

The big thing that is STILL not happening is the offense slows when Amare sits. No one either steps up or the whole group is still not fluid or integrated enough to know exactly what to do.

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12/22/2010  10:55 PM
martin wrote:
s3231 wrote:
cheers wrote:
s3231 wrote:
TMS wrote:this team played great tonight, there's no denying it... they're also an Amare injury away from becoming a lottery team again... having another star on the team insures against that from happening

Right on the money. We've had different opinions on the Jeffries trade in the past, but in 100% agreement with you here.

BRIGGS, I love the way this team has been playing in the past month but we're depending a lot on a guy that has had surgery on the same knee twice already.

If we can get Melo via trade while keeping one of Fields/Chandler/Gallo, I think that's something you would have to do (assuming AR is only other significant asset that would have to be used). Yeah we would lose some depth, but it's easier to add depth than it is to add a star player to your core.

really ny just offers one, and bests nets offer what is korean for loco

Favors + Murphy + multiple first round picks (one from the Nets which will likely be lotto) means we have to put 2 of our good prospects in (minimum) to come close.

You can't possibly think offering one of those 3 prospects trumps the Nets offer alone.

I don't quite understand how some of you negotiate. Just because someone else give a stupid huge offer does not mean that you have to, especially considering the circumstances.

Just glad that Donnie is set for another nap until the day before trade deadline.

Well I mean, again, it all depends on what the circumstances are. For every Melo post I make, I usually put a disclaimer about it depending on whether Melo is willing to accept that extension to a different team.

Obviously, if Melo tells Nets "No I won't extend," then I agree with those that say we shouldn't really offer much at all.

However, if the Nets are in this and have found a way to bring back some talent with Melo and in the process, convince him to stay long-term, then I think we step up with our best offer (note, I don't think our best offer should include all of our young guys) and try to make sure that doesn't happen.

I try to stay out of these comments because we don't know what's officially going on but I think it's funny when some people seem to show indifference to the Nets getting a guy like Melo. I said it earlier this year (when trade almost happened) and I'll say it again, it would be a big blow because he is the best shot we have right now at putting together a contending core.

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12/22/2010  10:59 PM
s3231 wrote:
martin wrote:
s3231 wrote:
cheers wrote:
s3231 wrote:
TMS wrote:this team played great tonight, there's no denying it... they're also an Amare injury away from becoming a lottery team again... having another star on the team insures against that from happening

Right on the money. We've had different opinions on the Jeffries trade in the past, but in 100% agreement with you here.

BRIGGS, I love the way this team has been playing in the past month but we're depending a lot on a guy that has had surgery on the same knee twice already.

If we can get Melo via trade while keeping one of Fields/Chandler/Gallo, I think that's something you would have to do (assuming AR is only other significant asset that would have to be used). Yeah we would lose some depth, but it's easier to add depth than it is to add a star player to your core.

really ny just offers one, and bests nets offer what is korean for loco

Favors + Murphy + multiple first round picks (one from the Nets which will likely be lotto) means we have to put 2 of our good prospects in (minimum) to come close.

You can't possibly think offering one of those 3 prospects trumps the Nets offer alone.

I don't quite understand how some of you negotiate. Just because someone else give a stupid huge offer does not mean that you have to, especially considering the circumstances.

Just glad that Donnie is set for another nap until the day before trade deadline.

Well I mean, again, it all depends on what the circumstances are. For every Melo post I make, I usually put a disclaimer about it depending on whether Melo is willing to accept that extension to a different team.

Obviously, if Melo tells Nets "No I won't extend," then I agree with those that say we shouldn't really offer much at all.

However, if the Nets are in this and have found a way to bring back some talent with Melo and in the process, convince him to stay long-term, then I think we step up with our best offer (note, I don't think our best offer should include all of our young guys) and try to make sure that doesn't happen.

I try to stay out of these comments because we don't know what's officially going on but I think it's funny when some people seem to show indifference to the Nets getting a guy like Melo. I said it earlier this year (when trade almost happened) and I'll say it again, it would be a big blow because he is the best shot we have right now at putting together a contending core.

on a pure marketing standpoint it would be horrid for dolan to wake up and read a melo to nets blockbuster trade. that means nets enter brooklyn with their best foot forward, with a star anchoring their move to brooklyn.

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12/22/2010  11:00 PM
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martin wrote:
s3231 wrote:
cheers wrote:
s3231 wrote:
TMS wrote:this team played great tonight, there's no denying it... they're also an Amare injury away from becoming a lottery team again... having another star on the team insures against that from happening

Right on the money. We've had different opinions on the Jeffries trade in the past, but in 100% agreement with you here.

BRIGGS, I love the way this team has been playing in the past month but we're depending a lot on a guy that has had surgery on the same knee twice already.

If we can get Melo via trade while keeping one of Fields/Chandler/Gallo, I think that's something you would have to do (assuming AR is only other significant asset that would have to be used). Yeah we would lose some depth, but it's easier to add depth than it is to add a star player to your core.

really ny just offers one, and bests nets offer what is korean for loco

Favors + Murphy + multiple first round picks (one from the Nets which will likely be lotto) means we have to put 2 of our good prospects in (minimum) to come close.

You can't possibly think offering one of those 3 prospects trumps the Nets offer alone.

I don't quite understand how some of you negotiate. Just because someone else give a stupid huge offer does not mean that you have to, especially considering the circumstances.

Just glad that Donnie is set for another nap until the day before trade deadline.

that is how it is playing out. if the nets gut what they have to get melo. then even if we offer gallo + chandler + fields. it does not add up to countering a nets all in play for melo. so donnie would have to pull out a ace card, felton, and thats when things get really crazy.

Well if that happens, we obviously say "thanks, but no thanks." I'm not advocating gutting the roster to bring him here.

But if it comes down to the following scenario:

1. Nets make a strong offer, which Melo would rather take than go to FA because other talent is going to NJ
2. Melo still would much rather go to NY, but Knicks have to offer good enough package or else Denver would rather just let Melo walk at end of year

Then I think in that scenario, you compromise and give up a package to what I said above. Yeah it won't match the Nets' offer, but basically comes closest to making everyone happy.

Melo has a lot of leverage and Denver has some leverage too (as far as the max vs. waiting for new CBA) in these negotiations. This process likely won't be as simple as "who makes the best offer."

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12/22/2010  11:04 PM
martin wrote:
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Olbrannon wrote:If you watched the substitutions first and second half were almost identical and to the minute.
Felton sat out at the time out begin the 2nd and ditto the 4th. Willaims first off the bench and gave the Knicks extra hieght. Then TD in for Chandler about 5 mintes in the 1st and 3rd. Turiaf last in ran with Douglas and Amar'e on the floor while Felton was out. 9 man rotation.

pretty much been similar for a while.

Fields always first to bench. TD plays with Felton for a while. Amare sits. Amare comes in when Felton goes to bench. Usually Gallo goes to bench before Chandler.

All depends on fouls of course.

The big thing that is STILL not happening is the offense slows when Amare sits. No one either steps up or the whole group is still not fluid or integrated enough to know exactly what to do.

Somehow Mike has to make sure they still run the offense. TD simply doesn't orchestrate well enough. They could look to post Chan or Gallo or run those two in some PnR. Gallo had a nice post against Durant and drew the foul, but they never went back to that. If that play works, they should've went back to it until the Thunder proved they could stop it.

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12/22/2010  11:06 PM
martin wrote:
s3231 wrote:
cheers wrote:
s3231 wrote:
TMS wrote:this team played great tonight, there's no denying it... they're also an Amare injury away from becoming a lottery team again... having another star on the team insures against that from happening

Right on the money. We've had different opinions on the Jeffries trade in the past, but in 100% agreement with you here.

BRIGGS, I love the way this team has been playing in the past month but we're depending a lot on a guy that has had surgery on the same knee twice already.

If we can get Melo via trade while keeping one of Fields/Chandler/Gallo, I think that's something you would have to do (assuming AR is only other significant asset that would have to be used). Yeah we would lose some depth, but it's easier to add depth than it is to add a star player to your core.

really ny just offers one, and bests nets offer what is korean for loco

Favors + Murphy + multiple first round picks (one from the Nets which will likely be lotto) means we have to put 2 of our good prospects in (minimum) to come close.

You can't possibly think offering one of those 3 prospects trumps the Nets offer alone.

I don't quite understand how some of you negotiate. Just because someone else give a stupid huge offer does not mean that you have to, especially considering the circumstances.

Just glad that Donnie is set for another nap until the day before trade deadline.

lol..some these trade idea's are crazy

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12/22/2010  11:07 PM
cheers wrote:
s3231 wrote:
martin wrote:
s3231 wrote:
cheers wrote:
s3231 wrote:
TMS wrote:this team played great tonight, there's no denying it... they're also an Amare injury away from becoming a lottery team again... having another star on the team insures against that from happening

Right on the money. We've had different opinions on the Jeffries trade in the past, but in 100% agreement with you here.

BRIGGS, I love the way this team has been playing in the past month but we're depending a lot on a guy that has had surgery on the same knee twice already.

If we can get Melo via trade while keeping one of Fields/Chandler/Gallo, I think that's something you would have to do (assuming AR is only other significant asset that would have to be used). Yeah we would lose some depth, but it's easier to add depth than it is to add a star player to your core.

really ny just offers one, and bests nets offer what is korean for loco

Favors + Murphy + multiple first round picks (one from the Nets which will likely be lotto) means we have to put 2 of our good prospects in (minimum) to come close.

You can't possibly think offering one of those 3 prospects trumps the Nets offer alone.

I don't quite understand how some of you negotiate. Just because someone else give a stupid huge offer does not mean that you have to, especially considering the circumstances.

Just glad that Donnie is set for another nap until the day before trade deadline.

Well I mean, again, it all depends on what the circumstances are. For every Melo post I make, I usually put a disclaimer about it depending on whether Melo is willing to accept that extension to a different team.

Obviously, if Melo tells Nets "No I won't extend," then I agree with those that say we shouldn't really offer much at all.

However, if the Nets are in this and have found a way to bring back some talent with Melo and in the process, convince him to stay long-term, then I think we step up with our best offer (note, I don't think our best offer should include all of our young guys) and try to make sure that doesn't happen.

I try to stay out of these comments because we don't know what's officially going on but I think it's funny when some people seem to show indifference to the Nets getting a guy like Melo. I said it earlier this year (when trade almost happened) and I'll say it again, it would be a big blow because he is the best shot we have right now at putting together a contending core.

on a pure marketing standpoint it would be horrid for dolan to wake up and read a melo to nets blockbuster trade. that means nets enter brooklyn with their best foot forward, with a star anchoring their move to brooklyn.

Definitely. From a marketing standpoint, it obviously sucks but I mean, even if we just look at it from a basketball standpoint, it is a huge negative for us because:

A) We lose out on a star player that is dying to come to the Knicks.

B) Because of A), our goal in becoming a contender becomes much more difficult as Melo is the only attainable star player right now. We would basically need to wait for that Deron/Paul/Dwight class to have another shot at taking our franchise to the next level unless our young guys develop significantly over the next year...... and Amare stays healthy....and Felton continues to play at a high level.....it's a lot of "ifs."

C) Nets ensure that they will be competitive over next few seasons and become a threat to us as far as attracting good players through free agency. Not to mention, they are in our division and we play them 4 times a year...

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If you watched tonight's game and don't understand why people DO NOT want to trade ANYONE from the starting unit

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