So it's not just about giving the guy minutes. It's about establishing a system, a cultural framework for the team. And that's worth a lot more to the Knicks than playing a punk kid 10 minutes a night, no matter how athletic he is.

Come on, come on. You gotta see the big picture.

In fact to all the AR detractors, not only blob -- where's the proof in anything you all are saying??? Where's the proof that he's not buying into Mike's program? All the reports I've heard, even from Mike himself, are that he's working hard in practice and one of the first guys in the gym every single morning..Where's the proof that he's an "immature lazy bum"? All this kid talked about during the pre-season was how excited he was to be here and how hard he worked on his game, specifically his jumpshooting, during the summer..Where's the proof that he's a "punk"? That's just rediculous...This league is littered with punks & trouble makers--this kid isn't one of them..He's about as quite and unassuming as Wilson Chandler..Has he made one comment detrimential to the team throughout this whole period where he's gotten jerked around and removed from the rotation?? No, he hasn't..hasn't said a peep...Looks real fired up with his teammates on the bench everytime the camera pans over after the Knicks do something great or make a run from what I see, but what do I know?? Where's the proof that he's hurt and may not be 100% physically?? Don't you think we would've heard something if that was the case, either from the kid himself or the Knicks? D'Antoni would probably love this to be so -- it would give him the excuse he's looking for not to play him..Not the case however.. He said he's 100% and I believe him. The organization cleared him to play after he rolled his ankle to start the season so that's that..Also, do you think multiple teams would be willing to give up a 1st round pick for him if he was hurt??

Man, and I was told yesterday that I need to watch more closely..LOL..Some of you really need to look with better eyes, open your minds up to some possibilities and not give up on a player the minute something, anything, doesn't go right..

However, I still think AR would benefit from being given a guaranteed regular 10mins a night, as I believe a lot of his problems are mental, and the fact that since he doesn't/ has never had a regular, clearly defined role, he tends to get over excited when given a chance, and then he thinks too much, tries to do too much and as a result has mental lapses and tries to do stupid things.

cheers wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:I don't know what games you're watching, but every time I see AR he has a gloomy face. And his defeatist, loser attitude was made obvious to the world with his comments last week, something like "it's out of my hands".

I'm saying, if he was about anything at all Coach Mike would have him in there! He's not there for a reason, the safest bet is that he's not buying into the deal. That's it.

yes and the reason is starting to be coach mike, not a good look for mike to have ny fans turn on you, it gets coaches fired quick.

Well you want Patrick Ewing to coach, which is ridiculous, so that's that.

Coach Mike is doing magic, he's a magician with what he's been given.

This is like the Marbury fanboys. "Put Marbury in!! He's a 20-10 guy!" Yea, but he's also a cancer. It's the same deal, except that instead of being a cancer AR is a slightly less damaging mix of apathy and a child-like refusal to take responsibility for his actions.

orangeblobman wrote:

cheers wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:I don't know what games you're watching, but every time I see AR he has a gloomy face. And his defeatist, loser attitude was made obvious to the world with his comments last week, something like "it's out of my hands".

I'm saying, if he was about anything at all Coach Mike would have him in there! He's not there for a reason, the safest bet is that he's not buying into the deal. That's it.

yes and the reason is starting to be coach mike, not a good look for mike to have ny fans turn on you, it gets coaches fired quick.

Well you want Patrick Ewing to coach, which is ridiculous, so that's that.

Coach Mike is doing magic, he's a magician with what he's been given.

This is like the Marbury fanboys. "Put Marbury in!! He's a 20-10 guy!" Yea, but he's also a cancer. It's the same deal, except that instead of being a cancer AR is a slightly less damaging mix of apathy and a child-like refusal to take responsibility for his actions.

with what he's been given? just like you dont win a fight with the coach if you are the player. you dont win the fight with the gm if you are the coach. donnie gave mda players to play and either mda will start to do that or he will just be another fired coach.

orangeblobman wrote:

cheers wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:I don't know what games you're watching, but every time I see AR he has a gloomy face. And his defeatist, loser attitude was made obvious to the world with his comments last week, something like "it's out of my hands".

I'm saying, if he was about anything at all Coach Mike would have him in there! He's not there for a reason, the safest bet is that he's not buying into the deal. That's it.

yes and the reason is starting to be coach mike, not a good look for mike to have ny fans turn on you, it gets coaches fired quick.

Well you want Patrick Ewing to coach, which is ridiculous, so that's that.

Coach Mike is doing magic, he's a magician with what he's been given.

This is like the Marbury fanboys. "Put Marbury in!! He's a 20-10 guy!" Yea, but he's also a cancer. It's the same deal, except that instead of being a cancer AR is a slightly less damaging mix of apathy and a child-like refusal to take responsibility for his actions.

Papabear Says

Well keep on preaching on how good D'Antoni is. You keep on watching him burn out Felton like he did Dohun and you watch Amear wear down because of the 6 - 7 man rotation. By time playoff time comes what will he do?? Mike D has an Ego as big as Marbs. Yes bring Patrick Ewing and at least he can teach defense and show the Big guys how to protect the paint.

Papabear wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

cheers wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:I don't know what games you're watching, but every time I see AR he has a gloomy face. And his defeatist, loser attitude was made obvious to the world with his comments last week, something like "it's out of my hands".

I'm saying, if he was about anything at all Coach Mike would have him in there! He's not there for a reason, the safest bet is that he's not buying into the deal. That's it.

yes and the reason is starting to be coach mike, not a good look for mike to have ny fans turn on you, it gets coaches fired quick.

Well you want Patrick Ewing to coach, which is ridiculous, so that's that.

Coach Mike is doing magic, he's a magician with what he's been given.

This is like the Marbury fanboys. "Put Marbury in!! He's a 20-10 guy!" Yea, but he's also a cancer. It's the same deal, except that instead of being a cancer AR is a slightly less damaging mix of apathy and a child-like refusal to take responsibility for his actions.

Papabear Says

Well keep on preaching on how good D'Antoni is. You keep on watching him burn out Felton like he did Dohun and you watch Amear wear down because of the 6 - 7 man rotation. By time playoff time comes what will he do?? Mike D has an Ego as big as Marbs. Yes bring Patrick Ewing and at least he can teach defense and show the Big guys how to protect the paint.

Ok, Papabear. So he brings in AR and Moz for more minutes, he plays the bench and stops 'burning' Amar'e and Felton out.

Then what?

Then we're sitting at 8-20 instead of 16-12 and everyone is calling for Coach Mike's head. He can't win either way with some of you guys. What he's been given is a few talented guys but overall it's an incomplete roster. He doesn't have the quality off the bench which makes playing the starters long minutes a necessity. His job is to coach to win, not to assemble the team. And as long as the team is short he'll have to play them these minutes to win. Otherwise it's his job, his livelihood on the line.

orangeblobman wrote:Because it's all about establishing a culture, a structure that the team plays from. It's like a pad where rockets blast off. If he plays AR, a guy that's not buying into the team concept, into the 'go hard or go home' culture Coach Mike is building, then the whole team will suffer because they'll look at it like "hey, this guy is an immature, lazy bum but he's getting time, and we're here balling hard, so what's the difference?" You can't build a faulty launch pad because the rocket will go astray and not make it into space, where we're going, the moon.

So it's not just about giving the guy minutes. It's about establishing a system, a cultural framework for the team. And that's worth a lot more to the Knicks than playing a punk kid 10 minutes a night, no matter how athletic he is.

Come on, come on. You gotta see the big picture.

I heard an interview this very week(yesterday I think) on ESPN radio asking MDA's brother what is the story with AR and him not getting PT...He said AR works very hard during practice and he will eventually get time at some point down the road...So your theory of his not buying in or working hard is incorrect..

orangeblobman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:Because it's all about establishing a culture, a structure that the team plays from. It's like a pad where rockets blast off. If he plays AR, a guy that's not buying into the team concept, into the 'go hard or go home' culture Coach Mike is building, then the whole team will suffer because they'll look at it like "hey, this guy is an immature, lazy bum but he's getting time, and we're here balling hard, so what's the difference?" You can't build a faulty launch pad because the rocket will go astray and not make it into space, where we're going, the moon.

So it's not just about giving the guy minutes. It's about establishing a system, a cultural framework for the team. And that's worth a lot more to the Knicks than playing a punk kid 10 minutes a night, no matter how athletic he is.

Come on, come on. You gotta see the big picture.

I heard an interview this very week(yesterday I think) on ESPN radio asking MDA's brother what is the story with AR and him not getting PT...He said AR works very hard during practice and he will eventually get time at some point down the road...So your theory of his not buying in or working hard is incorrect..

They're letting him save face, that's actually a sign that they're not giving up on him yet because he is so young.

If all that were true he would already be seeing minutes.

So your premise based on no fact or any corroboration must be true and a coach who works with him daily must be false...

holfresh wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:Because it's all about establishing a culture, a structure that the team plays from. It's like a pad where rockets blast off. If he plays AR, a guy that's not buying into the team concept, into the 'go hard or go home' culture Coach Mike is building, then the whole team will suffer because they'll look at it like "hey, this guy is an immature, lazy bum but he's getting time, and we're here balling hard, so what's the difference?" You can't build a faulty launch pad because the rocket will go astray and not make it into space, where we're going, the moon.

So it's not just about giving the guy minutes. It's about establishing a system, a cultural framework for the team. And that's worth a lot more to the Knicks than playing a punk kid 10 minutes a night, no matter how athletic he is.

Come on, come on. You gotta see the big picture.

I heard an interview this very week(yesterday I think) on ESPN radio asking MDA's brother what is the story with AR and him not getting PT...He said AR works very hard during practice and he will eventually get time at some point down the road...So your theory of his not buying in or working hard is incorrect..

They're letting him save face, that's actually a sign that they're not giving up on him yet because he is so young.

If all that were true he would already be seeing minutes.

So your premise based on no fact or any corroboration must be true and a coach who works with him daily must be false...

The fact is that a guy with talents we can desperately use is not getting time. This isn't because Coach Mike doesn't want to play him. It's because he's not ready to play, for whatever reason. He's not with it. So there's no sense blasting Coach Mike for not playing the guy because if the guy were ready he would be playing.

I don't know what kind of kick some of you fellas are on that makes you think Coach Mike doesn't want to play the kid based on some personal hang-up, or whatever.

Mosgov wasn't ready either and he was given a starting slot...Mosgov was given every opportunity to fail which he did...Let's see what AR can do..If he fails we can live with that...Darko never got a shot when we had a horrible team, that guy would help us now...

nate and darko two players ny could really use now, jordan hill wouldnt hurt either but watev, add ar to the list of players to throw away.