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BRIGGS
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12/18/2010  11:58 PM
should've lost.

When you are up 4 points with 50 second--you have to win the game--nothing else to say. This was a game where there were tired bodies and legs. You cant lose it + 4 with 50 second s left.


Stoudemire--that scared me when he seemed to jam his knee. You know its been great that he has exceeded expectations to start but when he came here--I was expecting a guy who would give us 20-8 and 75 games 34-35 minutes. His body is already breaking down--they have to do something his neck his knee his legs and for the first time all year he was not there. They have to get him help and cut his minutes back to 35--he cant be counted on in big spits to guard guys 2-5 inches bigger than him and also clog the lane. We can see we want to keep this guy we want that guy--but if we run Amare into the ground--were going back to scrubs quick.

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12/19/2010  12:40 AM
yea, d'antoni's whole approach has been really maddening for me.

felton whatever, we signed him to a 2 yr deal at limited money and we really have no other point guard. he's gotta play a lot of minutes.

randolph and mozgov are not there yet, but they can each contribute on a nightly basis. its outrageous that amare is playing as much as he is when we have him as the main guy for the next 5 seasons. not to mention the knicks' own $ at stake, since the contract isn't insured.

his career average for minutes coming into this season was 34, which is right where it should be.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/gamelog?playerId=1727

he's played 40 mpg since december started. d'antoni is coaching each game like its the nba finals. he needs to loosen up. i think he's too stubborn of a coach to change his ways. he soured on randolph just like he did nate and hill last year. nate is a headcase but a perfect fit for d'antoni's own system. that scares me a lot.

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CrushAlot
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12/19/2010  12:44 AM
Its funny because earlier in the year you kept posting about Turiaf getting too many minutes and that you were worried he would get injured. I think you are right again about Amare but an injury to him sets the franchise way back. His leadership work ethic and talent are what is making this team good and the season fun. Without Amare I think Houston gets a great pick. D'Antoni needs to curb his lust for winning and let some other guys play. It will work out in the end if he can bring himself to do this. If he can't it will either end ugly for Amare or D'Antoni will need to go before the team can go to the next level.
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12/19/2010  9:14 AM
There are only 2 alternatives... WIN or balance the minutes and develop the prospects.
/Walsh had to win to stay with the team and continue with their plan.
They did this and now we will pay the price.
Essentially we have only 6-7 NBA level players with only 5 legit high minutes pros.
This is not enough for any sustainable success.
And getting more players withou losing this 5 is tricky to impossible. At least now.
We need another free agency and draft. And we can be screwed with lockout.
This is a long way to go...
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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12/19/2010  10:51 AM
CrushAlot wrote:Its funny because earlier in the year you kept posting about Turiaf getting too many minutes and that you were worried he would get injured. I think you are right again about Amare but an injury to him sets the franchise way back. His leadership work ethic and talent are what is making this team good and the season fun. Without Amare I think Houston gets a great pick. D'Antoni needs to curb his lust for winning and let some other guys play. It will work out in the end if he can bring himself to do this. If he can't it will either end ugly for Amare or D'Antoni will need to go before the team can go to the next level.

Curb his lust for winning? The only reason for playing is to win. If he puts AR / Moz in some of those games for extended minutes, our record would be 9-16 and all of you would be calling to have him fired. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. This is exactly what's wrong with Monday morning QB-ing.

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CrushAlot
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12/19/2010  10:56 AM
loweyecue wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Its funny because earlier in the year you kept posting about Turiaf getting too many minutes and that you were worried he would get injured. I think you are right again about Amare but an injury to him sets the franchise way back. His leadership work ethic and talent are what is making this team good and the season fun. Without Amare I think Houston gets a great pick. D'Antoni needs to curb his lust for winning and let some other guys play. It will work out in the end if he can bring himself to do this. If he can't it will either end ugly for Amare or D'Antoni will need to go before the team can go to the next level.

Curb his lust for winning? The only reason for playing is to win. If he puts AR / Moz in some of those games for extended minutes, our record would be 9-16 and all of you would be calling to have him fired. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. This is exactly what's wrong with Monday morning QB-ing.


Maybe I said things wrong. I think he needs to have enough faith in his bench to play them without fearing that he will lose the game because his best 5 aren't on the floor. His hesitancy not to have his best five on the floor almost the entire game is killing them and they won't be around to win anyway.
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12/19/2010  11:14 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
loweyecue wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Its funny because earlier in the year you kept posting about Turiaf getting too many minutes and that you were worried he would get injured. I think you are right again about Amare but an injury to him sets the franchise way back. His leadership work ethic and talent are what is making this team good and the season fun. Without Amare I think Houston gets a great pick. D'Antoni needs to curb his lust for winning and let some other guys play. It will work out in the end if he can bring himself to do this. If he can't it will either end ugly for Amare or D'Antoni will need to go before the team can go to the next level.

Curb his lust for winning? The only reason for playing is to win. If he puts AR / Moz in some of those games for extended minutes, our record would be 9-16 and all of you would be calling to have him fired. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. This is exactly what's wrong with Monday morning QB-ing.


Maybe I said things wrong. I think he needs to have enough faith in his bench to play them without fearing that he will lose the game because his best 5 aren't on the floor. His hesitancy not to have his best five on the floor almost the entire game is killing them and they won't be around to win anyway.

The only bench player who should get some minutes is AR. Everyone else on the bench are there for a reason. Mozgov isn't ready, Mason is garbage and Walker doesn't do much at all. We didnt lose last nights game because the bench didn't get any burn, we lost because Gallo went 1-10 from three and 0-0 from the free-throw line continuing his inconsistant ways. We lost because Stat isn't dropping 35 every game. The teams needs the type of help that isnt on the bench.

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12/19/2010  11:27 AM
Uptown wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
loweyecue wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Its funny because earlier in the year you kept posting about Turiaf getting too many minutes and that you were worried he would get injured. I think you are right again about Amare but an injury to him sets the franchise way back. His leadership work ethic and talent are what is making this team good and the season fun. Without Amare I think Houston gets a great pick. D'Antoni needs to curb his lust for winning and let some other guys play. It will work out in the end if he can bring himself to do this. If he can't it will either end ugly for Amare or D'Antoni will need to go before the team can go to the next level.

Curb his lust for winning? The only reason for playing is to win. If he puts AR / Moz in some of those games for extended minutes, our record would be 9-16 and all of you would be calling to have him fired. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. This is exactly what's wrong with Monday morning QB-ing.


Maybe I said things wrong. I think he needs to have enough faith in his bench to play them without fearing that he will lose the game because his best 5 aren't on the floor. His hesitancy not to have his best five on the floor almost the entire game is killing them and they won't be around to win anyway.

The only bench player who should get some minutes is AR. Everyone else on the bench are there for a reason. Mozgov isn't ready, Mason is garbage and Walker doesn't do much at all. We didnt lose last nights game because the bench didn't get any burn, we lost because Gallo went 1-10 from three and 0-0 from the free-throw line continuing his inconsistant ways. We lost because Stat isn't dropping 35 every game. The teams needs the type of help that isnt on the bench.

Someone else had a very nice post in the other thread about AR. He has not given any indication that he can learn the system and play within it. If MDA puts him in he stands to risk losing the team. The only reason AR doesn't get playing time is AR. Stop heaping blame on the coach when the individual player refuses to do what is needed for the team.

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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12/19/2010  12:06 PM
loweyecue wrote:
Someone else had a very nice post in the other thread about AR. He has not given any indication that he can learn the system and play within it. If MDA puts him in he stands to risk losing the team. The only reason AR doesn't get playing time is AR. Stop heaping blame on the coach when the individual player refuses to do what is needed for the team.

Yup.

I think we have to go with what the coaching staff is seeing in practice and trust their judgement on AR.

Despite having fights with Briggs about Randolph before we had him, I really believed that he was going to play a significant part in our rotation- in the 20-30 MPG range. Having had a chance to see him this year, I've been surprised by his limitations as a player.

You know that the coaching staff and other players have tried to work with him- just seems like he is slow to come around.

Hope he sees the light...just don't know.

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