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BRIGGS
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12/18/2010  1:02 AM
if we had OJ Mayo Jason Thompson and Luke Ridnour in the 8 man rotation replacing Douglas Turriaf and Shawne Williams? My bet its a different ball game.
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12/18/2010  1:09 AM
BRIGGS wrote:if we had OJ Mayo Jason Thompson and Luke Ridnour in the 8 man rotation replacing Douglas Turriaf and Shawne Williams? My bet its a different ball game.

true true. Knicks are close.

We need 1 more magical 6 months of trading and drafting from Donnie.

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BRIGGS
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12/18/2010  1:12 AM
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:if we had OJ Mayo Jason Thompson and Luke Ridnour in the 8 man rotation replacing Douglas Turriaf and Shawne Williams? My bet its a different ball game.

true true. Knicks are close.

We need 1 more magical 6 months of trading and drafting from Donnie.

Just look at the Dallas's the Spurs--they just have more and a little more diversified size wise. We have some greta young pieces--the way to get this team better is to get another 3-4 really good players--maybe 2 scorers an additional defensive big and PG etc... a full 9 man set--where we can go 48 minutes hard--be able to match up 2 big when needed etc.. its simple its a great bunch of guys but we need more without subtracting.

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12/18/2010  1:17 AM
we probably lose by 10.
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12/18/2010  1:19 AM
FistOfOakley wrote:we probably lose by 10.

LOL. i feel you. there is no pick me up right about now for me either. looking forward to the cavs game.

JrZyHuStLa
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12/18/2010  2:25 AM
Knicks 3 biggest needs

-second banana
-defensive big man
-backup pg

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12/18/2010  6:00 AM
I don't see the score being much different. None of those guys can guard the basket or block a shot. The outcome might have been much worse given Mayo and Ridnour's difficulties on defense.
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12/18/2010  8:45 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:if we had OJ Mayo Jason Thompson and Luke Ridnour in the 8 man rotation replacing Douglas Turriaf and Shawne Williams? My bet its a different ball game.

true true. Knicks are close.

We need 1 more magical 6 months of trading and drafting from Donnie.

Just look at the Dallas's the Spurs--they just have more and a little more diversified size wise. We have some greta young pieces--the way to get this team better is to get another 3-4 really good players--maybe 2 scorers an additional defensive big and PG etc... a full 9 man set--where we can go 48 minutes hard--be able to match up 2 big when needed etc.. its simple its a great bunch of guys but we need more without subtracting.

hard to do the adding without subtracting part until the summer.

they can maybe add one piece during the year, maybe two, if they use AR and Kelenna's expiring.

but i think some of those other pieces will have to wait until they can use their MLE (or caproom) and draft picks this summer.

it's a building process. it took nowitzki's mavs three years to get to the playoffs, etc.

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12/18/2010  8:46 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:if we had OJ Mayo Jason Thompson and Luke Ridnour in the 8 man rotation replacing Douglas Turriaf and Shawne Williams? My bet its a different ball game.

true true. Knicks are close.

We need 1 more magical 6 months of trading and drafting from Donnie.

Just look at the Dallas's the Spurs--they just have more and a little more diversified size wise. We have some greta young pieces--the way to get this team better is to get another 3-4 really good players--maybe 2 scorers an additional defensive big and PG etc... a full 9 man set--where we can go 48 minutes hard--be able to match up 2 big when needed etc.. its simple its a great bunch of guys but we need more without subtracting.

I commented during the game thread that it looked like a who's who of veteran players coming off the Heats' bench. I would like to say that this was accrued over time, but the truth is, most of these guys were added this season. We have got to get some depth, some utility players to supplement our starters. It serves no purpose to have 12 men suited up and only use 7. If the reserves are only good for practice, it's time to get some new reserves

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12/18/2010  9:15 AM
crzymdups wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:if we had OJ Mayo Jason Thompson and Luke Ridnour in the 8 man rotation replacing Douglas Turriaf and Shawne Williams? My bet its a different ball game.

true true. Knicks are close.

We need 1 more magical 6 months of trading and drafting from Donnie.

Just look at the Dallas's the Spurs--they just have more and a little more diversified size wise. We have some greta young pieces--the way to get this team better is to get another 3-4 really good players--maybe 2 scorers an additional defensive big and PG etc... a full 9 man set--where we can go 48 minutes hard--be able to match up 2 big when needed etc.. its simple its a great bunch of guys but we need more without subtracting.

hard to do the adding without subtracting part until the summer.

they can maybe add one piece during the year, maybe two, if they use AR and Kelenna's expiring.

but i think some of those other pieces will have to wait until they can use their MLE (or caproom) and draft picks this summer.

it's a building process. it took nowitzki's mavs three years to get to the playoffs, etc.


I agree with Briggs and everyone else, we need more pieces and I think we all knew that. The problem is exactly what you stated - it is VERY hard to get everything we need without subtracting some pieces.

Most likely it is going to cost us Gallo or Chandler and the problem there is we need those guys otherwise we will have a very poor second squad and the first squad will take a hit too. We probably need to get lucky and sign Melo as a FA. I don't think we need CP3 but if you can get him it certainly doesn't hurt.

We need a true second option and a big. Amare was getting triple teamed with no help out there. It was ridiculous and i expect to see the elite teams continue to triple him until the knicks can keep those defenses honest with a second option.

The Heat have hit their stride and we can't compete with them. Time to upgrade to the next level, unfortunately it won't be easy - but we have come this far.

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12/18/2010  10:16 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/18/2010  10:17 AM
I guarantee you guys that those guys BRIGGS wants on the team would be dog house material in the MDA system. Why does everyone fall out of favor with MDA? He needs to wake the F'up and stop the BS with his system or no go. His system is flawed big time you can't have two sfs and a pf playing your front line and expect wins against big time teams not gonna happen never gonna happen in a series. Until he concentrates on the defensive side of the ball and use his bench in the manner its suppose to be used big time wins will not happen. A commitment to defense is needed.
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12/18/2010  10:22 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/18/2010  10:23 AM
How the hell do we add Mayo, Thompson and Ridnour and only lose Turiaf, Douglas and Williams Any trade for Mayo starts with Chandler, etc. You think Sac is traded Thompson for Turiaf? This isn't fantasy BB.
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12/18/2010  10:36 AM
BRIGGS wrote:if we had OJ Mayo Jason Thompson and Luke Ridnour in the 8 man rotation replacing Douglas Turriaf and Shawne Williams? My bet its a different ball game.

As much as Jason Thompson is a favorite of mine (always has been) and has fallen out of the rotation, the Knicks simply don't have the assets to get him. What can the Knicks offer the Kings that they don't already have enough of? I think Samuel Dalembert would be interesting target though. He is on an expiring and I doubt he re-signs with the Kings, who look terrible. How about at the deadline (after making the Melo deal), include a few expiring contracts, cash and 2nd round picks to have Dalembert moved to Portland and have Camby sent to the Knicks? The Blazers have had their wheel fall off and reportedly are willing to give up their veteran players in exchange for assets/financial flexibility. Dalembert provides the later and play comparable to Camby at the 5 position. Thoughts?

P.S., I think getting OJ Mayo would require giving up Landry Fields. I'm not entirely sure I like the prospect very much but do love Mayo's game.

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12/18/2010  10:38 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:if we had OJ Mayo Jason Thompson and Luke Ridnour in the 8 man rotation replacing Douglas Turriaf and Shawne Williams? My bet its a different ball game.

true true. Knicks are close.

We need 1 more magical 6 months of trading and drafting from Donnie.

Just look at the Dallas's the Spurs--they just have more and a little more diversified size wise. We have some greta young pieces--the way to get this team better is to get another 3-4 really good players--maybe 2 scorers an additional defensive big and PG etc... a full 9 man set--where we can go 48 minutes hard--be able to match up 2 big when needed etc.. its simple its a great bunch of guys but we need more without subtracting.

Uh, the Spurs have 3 all-stars that make that "diversified size" revelant. This is why I keep saying the Knicks need Melo. Once you have an established core and strong foundation, those role players become that much better and useful to your team.

BRIGGS
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12/18/2010  11:02 AM
Melo2NYK wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:if we had OJ Mayo Jason Thompson and Luke Ridnour in the 8 man rotation replacing Douglas Turriaf and Shawne Williams? My bet its a different ball game.

true true. Knicks are close.

We need 1 more magical 6 months of trading and drafting from Donnie.

Just look at the Dallas's the Spurs--they just have more and a little more diversified size wise. We have some greta young pieces--the way to get this team better is to get another 3-4 really good players--maybe 2 scorers an additional defensive big and PG etc... a full 9 man set--where we can go 48 minutes hard--be able to match up 2 big when needed etc.. its simple its a great bunch of guys but we need more without subtracting.

Uh, the Spurs have 3 all-stars that make that "diversified size" revelant. This is why I keep saying the Knicks need Melo. Once you have an established core and strong foundation, those role players become that much better and useful to your team.

Our big 4 is very relevant.

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12/18/2010  11:06 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/18/2010  11:06 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
Melo2NYK wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:if we had OJ Mayo Jason Thompson and Luke Ridnour in the 8 man rotation replacing Douglas Turriaf and Shawne Williams? My bet its a different ball game.

true true. Knicks are close.

We need 1 more magical 6 months of trading and drafting from Donnie.

Just look at the Dallas's the Spurs--they just have more and a little more diversified size wise. We have some greta young pieces--the way to get this team better is to get another 3-4 really good players--maybe 2 scorers an additional defensive big and PG etc... a full 9 man set--where we can go 48 minutes hard--be able to match up 2 big when needed etc.. its simple its a great bunch of guys but we need more without subtracting.

Uh, the Spurs have 3 all-stars that make that "diversified size" revelant. This is why I keep saying the Knicks need Melo. Once you have an established core and strong foundation, those role players become that much better and useful to your team.

Our big 4 is very relevant.

Sure, up until the postseason begins. And once it does, only Amar'e will be consistent.

Whats the score tonight

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