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cheers
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12/17/2010  9:16 PM
this is really a five man starter rotation with a couple of token minutes given to the bench. our starters play exhausted. while many of the players donnie provides you gets zero to little minutes. no excuses. this cannot continue.

oh and listen to clyde he speaks from championship experience. gallo is hot, you draw plays (yes do your job) and get gallo the ball. it makes amar'e job easier and gives him a rest from being double teamed.

i want to see more players getting more minutes and i dont want to even read nonsense about practice FUG practice play the players donnie gives you our starters need time to breath.
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12/17/2010  9:34 PM
If you notice the bench hasn't been doing well and it's not like we've got better options to bring in. I think everyone wants to see Mike extend the rotation, but so far when he does play other guys we start to lose leads. It's a tough call. I think we'll see him work the bench in against the weaker teams. These last 3 games he was going all out to try and win and went with his best players for a longer look.

Sooner or later we'll see this team either make a deal or start to play some of the bench guys, but don't be surprised if they don't perform very well. I think we all want to see AR and Moz get another look. I think we'll see one or more of those guys against the Cavs.
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12/17/2010  9:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/17/2010  9:42 PM
I think we have to either find a way to make the bench more effective or find a way to improve the bench by bringing in different players. Not using the bench at all is not really an option.

At the same time, only 4 minutes for Turiaf is utterly ridiculous. We need to get 20+ out of our centers, if we're going to win against the better teams.

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12/17/2010  9:43 PM
The less I see AR playing, the more I believe he'll never get his shyt together. I trust D'antoni with what he's doing with him right now. I refuse to see him get burn unless we hear some positive news in practice.
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12/17/2010  9:44 PM
Solace wrote:I think we have to either find a way to make the bench more effective or find a way to improve the bench by bringing in different players. Not using the bench at all is not really an option.

I can't blame him too much for pushing them hard to win all those games during the easy schedule cuz we needed a cushion going into this stretch. He may have gone to long with it tho. I just don't see an easy way around it tho. We just haven't been able to get enough from our bench and I don't see too many options right now. Sure we can play AR or even Timo, but i'm not sure that would solve our issues. What do we do about the Back up PG? It's clear that we have to look outside the roster for help, cuz the holes can't be plugged from within.
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12/17/2010  9:48 PM
I think this is who D'Antoni is. He gets locked in on the guys he has the most faith in and thinks he can win with. He has a lot more talent this year with the group of guys he has so there is a lot more success. However, when you play a team that is as good as the Heat, you are going to wear those guys out because they start out at a talent disadvantage. He needs to spread the minutes out a bit. I don't know if Turiaf is still is hurt or if he has just fallen out of that rotation but the Knicks need him or another big to get some minutes. It might be time for Walsh to get another point as well. Felton and Amare are getting run into the ground.
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12/17/2010  9:48 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:The less I see AR playing, the more I believe he'll never get his shyt together. I trust D'antoni with what he's doing with him right now. I refuse to see him get burn unless we hear some positive news in practice.

Dude you talking about practice. He needs run and the more run he gets the better he will get and hard he will go in practice sometimes its a double edge sword. PT=positive attitude=more production=better practices.
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12/17/2010  9:48 PM
Vmart wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:The less I see AR playing, the more I believe he'll never get his shyt together. I trust D'antoni with what he's doing with him right now. I refuse to see him get burn unless we hear some positive news in practice.

Dude you talking about practice. He needs run and the more run he gets the better he will get and hard he will go in practice sometimes its a double edge sword. PT=positive attitude=more production=better practices.

You sound like a supporter of Iverson.
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12/17/2010  9:49 PM
Like I said during the win streak, I don't have a problem with a short rotation if they're winning but if this keeps up its time to give the bench a chance to earn some minutes. Better that than putting half the starters on IR from too much PT.
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12/17/2010  9:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/17/2010  9:51 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:The less I see AR playing, the more I believe he'll never get his shyt together. I trust D'antoni with what he's doing with him right now. I refuse to see him get burn unless we hear some positive news in practice.

Positive note- All his offense was in the paint or going to the rim. Working from inside out. More work needed.

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12/17/2010  9:52 PM
Basically you have to make up your mind that you're willing to sacrifice a win in order to try and develop a kid. That's a tough thing to do in our current situation. Is it fair to the other players? How about Mike and Donnie and their contracts. Donnie has to do well this year if he wants to get an extension. I think it's inevitable that Mike is gonna have to eventually trust his bench, but I can understand why he hasn't up to this point. I mean they were winning so many games, it's hard to change when you see that happening.
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12/17/2010  9:52 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
Vmart wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:The less I see AR playing, the more I believe he'll never get his shyt together. I trust D'antoni with what he's doing with him right now. I refuse to see him get burn unless we hear some positive news in practice.

Dude you talking about practice. He needs run and the more run he gets the better he will get and hard he will go in practice sometimes its a double edge sword. PT=positive attitude=more production=better practices.

You sound like a supporter of Iverson.

Iverson was a hard worker. AR needs run sometimes getting PT leads to more effort and more dedication.
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12/17/2010  9:53 PM
nixluva wrote:If you notice the bench hasn't been doing well and it's not like we've got better options to bring in. I think everyone wants to see Mike extend the rotation, but so far when he does play other guys we start to lose leads. It's a tough call. I think we'll see him work the bench in against the weaker teams. These last 3 games he was going all out to try and win and went with his best players for a longer look.

Sooner or later we'll see this team either make a deal or start to play some of the bench guys, but don't be surprised if they don't perform very well. I think we all want to see AR and Moz get another look. I think we'll see one or more of those guys against the Cavs.

yes ever since mda gutted the bench by making the knicks best sixman chandler a starter.

mda needs to stop trying to play this game like it's NBA 2K11, our starters are not video game toons that dont tire. mda needs to take responsibility of that bench, enough with the dnp and token minutes. its time to coach.
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12/17/2010  9:57 PM
you win by playing your best players. the outcry would be a lot worse if we were closer to .500 now and playing guys mozgov 20 minutes instead of 10 cost us a point here or there and caused us to lose against the pistons and raptors.

the bench has to play a bit more but if he thinks that they're not capable then i don't fault him.

i do think AR could be the medicine though for our bench but apparently he's in the doghouse.
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12/17/2010  9:58 PM
cheers wrote:
nixluva wrote:If you notice the bench hasn't been doing well and it's not like we've got better options to bring in. I think everyone wants to see Mike extend the rotation, but so far when he does play other guys we start to lose leads. It's a tough call. I think we'll see him work the bench in against the weaker teams. These last 3 games he was going all out to try and win and went with his best players for a longer look.

Sooner or later we'll see this team either make a deal or start to play some of the bench guys, but don't be surprised if they don't perform very well. I think we all want to see AR and Moz get another look. I think we'll see one or more of those guys against the Cavs.

yes ever since mda gutted the bench by making the knicks best sixman chandler a starter.

mda needs to stop trying to play this game like it's NBA 2K11, our starters are not video game toons that dont tire. mda needs to take responsibility of that bench, enough with the dnp and token minutes. its time to coach.

Unfortunately that is who he is and has been. He has a very small circle of trust and the guys that are not in it generally don't break through to join the rotation. At times this year it seemed like things might be different but he seems to be reverting back to the guy he has been in the past.
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12/17/2010  10:05 PM
cheers wrote:
nixluva wrote:If you notice the bench hasn't been doing well and it's not like we've got better options to bring in. I think everyone wants to see Mike extend the rotation, but so far when he does play other guys we start to lose leads. It's a tough call. I think we'll see him work the bench in against the weaker teams. These last 3 games he was going all out to try and win and went with his best players for a longer look.

Sooner or later we'll see this team either make a deal or start to play some of the bench guys, but don't be surprised if they don't perform very well. I think we all want to see AR and Moz get another look. I think we'll see one or more of those guys against the Cavs.

yes ever since mda gutted the bench by making the knicks best sixman chandler a starter.

mda needs to stop trying to play this game like it's NBA 2K11, our starters are not video game toons that dont tire. mda needs to take responsibility of that bench, enough with the dnp and token minutes. its time to coach.

8-2 since Chandler entered starting lineup permanently. Only loses to 2 best teams in league.

Perhaps you need to stop posting like you know what you are talking about.

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12/17/2010  10:07 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
cheers wrote:
nixluva wrote:If you notice the bench hasn't been doing well and it's not like we've got better options to bring in. I think everyone wants to see Mike extend the rotation, but so far when he does play other guys we start to lose leads. It's a tough call. I think we'll see him work the bench in against the weaker teams. These last 3 games he was going all out to try and win and went with his best players for a longer look.

Sooner or later we'll see this team either make a deal or start to play some of the bench guys, but don't be surprised if they don't perform very well. I think we all want to see AR and Moz get another look. I think we'll see one or more of those guys against the Cavs.

yes ever since mda gutted the bench by making the knicks best sixman chandler a starter.

mda needs to stop trying to play this game like it's NBA 2K11, our starters are not video game toons that dont tire. mda needs to take responsibility of that bench, enough with the dnp and token minutes. its time to coach.

Unfortunately that is who he is and has been. He has a very small circle of trust and the guys that are not in it generally don't break through to join the rotation. At times this year it seemed like things might be different but he seems to be reverting back to the guy he has been in the past.

It was the winning that did it. He saw this team winning game after game and it gets to be intoxicating. Maybe this snaps him out of it a bit. Like I said. You can't be afraid to lose a game if you extend your rotation. You have to trust it and give it a chance. Right now is a perfect time when you face an opponent that you should be able to beat with less than a perfect game.
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12/17/2010  10:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/17/2010  10:15 PM
martin wrote:
cheers wrote:
nixluva wrote:If you notice the bench hasn't been doing well and it's not like we've got better options to bring in. I think everyone wants to see Mike extend the rotation, but so far when he does play other guys we start to lose leads. It's a tough call. I think we'll see him work the bench in against the weaker teams. These last 3 games he was going all out to try and win and went with his best players for a longer look.

Sooner or later we'll see this team either make a deal or start to play some of the bench guys, but don't be surprised if they don't perform very well. I think we all want to see AR and Moz get another look. I think we'll see one or more of those guys against the Cavs.

yes ever since mda gutted the bench by making the knicks best sixman chandler a starter.

mda needs to stop trying to play this game like it's NBA 2K11, our starters are not video game toons that dont tire. mda needs to take responsibility of that bench, enough with the dnp and token minutes. its time to coach.

8-2 since Chandler entered starting lineup permanently. Only loses to 2 best teams in league.

Perhaps you need to stop posting like you know what you are talking about.

i always know what i am talking about, im observant, i only speak on what i hear and see. i see turiaf worked well for new york as a starter and chandler worked well for new york as a sixman-- the reverse is not true.
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12/17/2010  10:16 PM
Few things

A. Very impressed with Miami's ability to guard the rim. That essentially forced Amare to take way to many shots and they used their speed and length to affect Felton.

B. Fields has come down to Earth against better talent.

C. We are relying way to heavily on the starting 5--and they just got tired in the 2nd half after 3 very tough games. The problem is this is going to wear us down during the season. We need a scoring 6th man and another big who can score. Douglas if he stays here has to be a pass first guy shoot 2nd.
A key to the team is having the ability to put pressure on the other team on the offensive end and we need more firepower off the bench--it wouldve been nice to have a 2nd scoring big because we just could not match up with Bosh. We dont have what we need on the bench and you are factoring almost 8 wasted spots--too many.

Very happy with 2.5 games--we really shouldve been 2-1---we just ran into a very strong defensive team and we didnt have enough options to go to with Felton Fields and even Aamre struggling.

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12/17/2010  10:17 PM
cheers wrote:
martin wrote:
cheers wrote:
nixluva wrote:If you notice the bench hasn't been doing well and it's not like we've got better options to bring in. I think everyone wants to see Mike extend the rotation, but so far when he does play other guys we start to lose leads. It's a tough call. I think we'll see him work the bench in against the weaker teams. These last 3 games he was going all out to try and win and went with his best players for a longer look.

Sooner or later we'll see this team either make a deal or start to play some of the bench guys, but don't be surprised if they don't perform very well. I think we all want to see AR and Moz get another look. I think we'll see one or more of those guys against the Cavs.

yes ever since mda gutted the bench by making the knicks best sixman chandler a starter.

mda needs to stop trying to play this game like it's NBA 2K11, our starters are not video game toons that dont tire. mda needs to take responsibility of that bench, enough with the dnp and token minutes. its time to coach.

8-2 since Chandler entered starting lineup permanently. Only loses to 2 best teams in league.

Perhaps you need to stop posting like you know what you are talking about.

i always know what i am talking about, im observant, i only speak on what i hear and see. i see turiaf worked well for new york as a starter and chandler worked well for new york as a sixman-- the reverse is not true.

have your powers of observation noticed how Turiaf has been playing poorly and still hurt?

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