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gunsnewing
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1/25/2004  7:17 PM
I don't know what I'm thinking but any chance we can get them both and lose say KT, KVH, Frank and Sweetney?
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1/25/2004  7:22 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

I don't know what I'm thinking but any chance we can get them both and lose say KT, KVH, Frank and Sweetney?
No chance.
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1/25/2004  10:17 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by gunsnewing:

I don't know what I'm thinking but any chance we can get them both and lose say KT, KVH, Frank and Sweetney?
No chance.
I think those guys are settin expectations too high...
some guys I think are more realistic this year are
Wilcox
Dampier
Stro Swift

One option I like is do nothing. Work Frank back into the line up (he beat out Moochie already). Work Sweetney into better shape and see what this group can do together. It needs a lot of work but I dont want anymore panic moves. I like Frank playing with and behind Marbury, and I think NOT trading him now will only increase his value in the offseaon.

I know Isiah wants to get more athletic...we will see what he does. Marbury needs some horses to run with him, otherwise you are really wasting one of his strongest skills.
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1/25/2004  10:49 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by gunsnewing:

I don't know what I'm thinking but any chance we can get them both and lose say KT, KVH, Frank and Sweetney?
No chance.
I think those guys are settin expectations too high...
some guys I think are more realistic this year are
Wilcox
Dampier
Stro Swift

One option I like is do nothing. Work Frank back into the line up (he beat out Moochie already). Work Sweetney into better shape and see what this group can do together. It needs a lot of work but I dont want anymore panic moves. I like Frank playing with and behind Marbury, and I think NOT trading him now will only increase his value in the offseaon.

I know Isiah wants to get more athletic...we will see what he does. Marbury needs some horses to run with him, otherwise you are really wasting one of his strongest skills.

I agree, while everyone is crying about losing lampe and milos the real prospects are sweet and williams, I agree, lets try for swift or wilcox, those are more reasonable options. That will give us a nice young nucleus of Marbury, Sweets, Frankie and wilcox or swift.. I am cool with that..
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1/25/2004  11:40 PM
KVH or KT for Swift no way, we can do much better. I for the idea of staying put and forcing Sweetney to get in shape and playing him over Othella and playing Frank at PG when he's on the floor with Stephon.
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1/26/2004  10:22 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:

KVH or KT for Swift no way, we can do much better. I for the idea of staying put and forcing Sweetney to get in shape and playing him over Othella and playing Frank at PG when he's on the floor with Stephon.
Have you seen Swift play? His athletecism can change games. Kurt is the Charlie Ward of PFs. He's got limited talent but through hard work was turned himself into a good player. We really dont need what Kurt's giving us (more jump shots) we need a guy like Stro that will run, block shots and dunk and get get putbacks of broken plays and Steph's penetration.

On a side note forget about trading KVH. The only way we get a deal with him done is by including Sweetney and Frank and I dont see how that can be worth it... unless its for Rahim
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1/26/2004  10:45 AM
I think Jamison can be had with this trade...
New York trades: C Kurt Thomas (11.5 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 1.9 apg in 33.2 minutes)
C Dikembe Mutombo (6.2 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 0.5 apg in 24.6 minutes)
PF Othella Harrington (4.3 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 14.1 minutes)
New York receives: SF Antawn Jamison (15.7 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 1.0 apg in 30.0 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -6.3 ppg, -12.4 rpg, and -1.9 apg.

Dallas trades: SF Antawn Jamison (15.7 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 1.0 apg in 30.0 minutes)
Dallas receives: C Kurt Thomas (11.5 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 1.9 apg in 45 games)
C Dikembe Mutombo (6.2 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 0.5 apg in 46 games)
PF Othella Harrington (4.3 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 34 games)
Change in team outlook: +6.3 ppg, +12.4 rpg, and +1.9 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Trade ID number 1445839

Why would Dallas do it? They need interior D and Deke and KT gives them that. Also, KT can bring Shaq out of the lane when he plays center.
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1/26/2004  10:50 AM
Posted by NYKBocker:

I think Jamison can be had with this trade...
New York trades: C Kurt Thomas (11.5 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 1.9 apg in 33.2 minutes)
C Dikembe Mutombo (6.2 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 0.5 apg in 24.6 minutes)
PF Othella Harrington (4.3 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 14.1 minutes)
New York receives: SF Antawn Jamison (15.7 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 1.0 apg in 30.0 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -6.3 ppg, -12.4 rpg, and -1.9 apg.

Dallas trades: SF Antawn Jamison (15.7 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 1.0 apg in 30.0 minutes)
Dallas receives: C Kurt Thomas (11.5 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 1.9 apg in 45 games)
C Dikembe Mutombo (6.2 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 0.5 apg in 46 games)
PF Othella Harrington (4.3 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 34 games)
Change in team outlook: +6.3 ppg, +12.4 rpg, and +1.9 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Trade ID number 1445839

Why would Dallas do it? They need interior D and Deke and KT gives them that. Also, KT can bring Shaq out of the lane when he plays center.

wow, this is the strangest thing: A trade proposed by a Knick fan that actually benefits the other team more than the one from NY. WOW. Amazing.

NY would be left with Doleac and no one else at the PF/C position. Accept Fat Boy Sweets. Jamison is a SF, right?
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1/26/2004  11:05 AM
Posted by NYKBocker:

I think Jamison can be had with this trade...
New York trades: C Kurt Thomas (11.5 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 1.9 apg in 33.2 minutes)
C Dikembe Mutombo (6.2 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 0.5 apg in 24.6 minutes)
PF Othella Harrington (4.3 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 14.1 minutes)
New York receives: SF Antawn Jamison (15.7 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 1.0 apg in 30.0 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -6.3 ppg, -12.4 rpg, and -1.9 apg.

Dallas trades: SF Antawn Jamison (15.7 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 1.0 apg in 30.0 minutes)
Dallas receives: C Kurt Thomas (11.5 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 1.9 apg in 45 games)
C Dikembe Mutombo (6.2 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 0.5 apg in 46 games)
PF Othella Harrington (4.3 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 34 games)
Change in team outlook: +6.3 ppg, +12.4 rpg, and +1.9 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Trade ID number 1445839

Why would Dallas do it? They need interior D and Deke and KT gives them that. Also, KT can bring Shaq out of the lane when he plays center.

You're willing to trade our starting center, our starting pf, and our back up pf???? He's a pretty good player but thats just a lil too much.
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1/26/2004  11:11 AM
I am glad to see that you posted a trade, but this one puts the lop in lop-sided. We'd be giving up too many boards with this deal. Martin said the rest as far as what's wrong with that deal.

Try to tweak the trade so the stats are better balanced. It's possible, but will take alot of creativity to get it done.
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1/26/2004  11:12 AM
Posted by fishmike:

On a side note forget about trading KVH. The only way we get a deal with him done is by including Sweetney and Frank and I dont see how that can be worth it... unless its for Rahim

Don't know too much about Rahim, is he a PW or a SF? ALT won't take on contracts so I don't see KVH going there. With the right throw-ins, would a Thomas for Rahim trade make the Knicks better? I keep hearing Rahim is soft and never has gotten his team to the playoff, but Chad has mentioned it too so I am immediately skeptical.
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1/26/2004  11:14 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by NYKBocker:

I think Jamison can be had with this trade...
New York trades: C Kurt Thomas (11.5 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 1.9 apg in 33.2 minutes)
C Dikembe Mutombo (6.2 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 0.5 apg in 24.6 minutes)
PF Othella Harrington (4.3 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 14.1 minutes)
New York receives: SF Antawn Jamison (15.7 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 1.0 apg in 30.0 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -6.3 ppg, -12.4 rpg, and -1.9 apg.

Dallas trades: SF Antawn Jamison (15.7 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 1.0 apg in 30.0 minutes)
Dallas receives: C Kurt Thomas (11.5 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 1.9 apg in 45 games)
C Dikembe Mutombo (6.2 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 0.5 apg in 46 games)
PF Othella Harrington (4.3 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 34 games)
Change in team outlook: +6.3 ppg, +12.4 rpg, and +1.9 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Trade ID number 1445839

Why would Dallas do it? They need interior D and Deke and KT gives them that. Also, KT can bring Shaq out of the lane when he plays center.

wow, this is the strangest thing: A trade proposed by a Knick fan that actually benefits the other team more than the one from NY. WOW. Amazing.

NY would be left with Doleac and no one else at the PF/C position. Accept Fat Boy Sweets. Jamison is a SF, right?

I always try to propose trades that would entice the other team. I would probably be an awful GM. I trade KT because like the other hread indicated, KT and Doleac is kinda redundant. I send Deke out of here because it seems we need more than just KT to land a very good player.

With Jamison we would have 2 forwards that can score and hang with Marbury. We can switch KVH to PF. Also, correct me if I am wrong but didn't Jamison play the PF spot in GS?

We have a hole in the middle that Doleac must cover. This is a risk, but in the east it might not be too much of a risk.

Othella? Hmmmm. Do I really have to explain his worth?

Also, we can finally unleash the beast in Bruno Sundov!

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1/26/2004  11:19 AM
Posted by NYKBocker:

I think Jamison can be had with this trade...
New York trades: C Kurt Thomas (11.5 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 1.9 apg in 33.2 minutes)
C Dikembe Mutombo (6.2 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 0.5 apg in 24.6 minutes)
PF Othella Harrington (4.3 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 14.1 minutes)
New York receives: SF Antawn Jamison (15.7 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 1.0 apg in 30.0 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -6.3 ppg, -12.4 rpg, and -1.9 apg.

Dallas trades: SF Antawn Jamison (15.7 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 1.0 apg in 30.0 minutes)
Dallas receives: C Kurt Thomas (11.5 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 1.9 apg in 45 games)
C Dikembe Mutombo (6.2 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 0.5 apg in 46 games)
PF Othella Harrington (4.3 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 34 games)
Change in team outlook: +6.3 ppg, +12.4 rpg, and +1.9 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Trade ID number 1445839

Why would Dallas do it? They need interior D and Deke and KT gives them that. Also, KT can bring Shaq out of the lane when he plays center.
bring on some more max salries and huge contracts. we might lack deffense but we sure should have offense off the ying yang baby.
old and rusty, old and mental case with a lack of talent on top of lack of physical attributes, i like but a smaller version of a true pf. deffense? deffense? deffense? are you kidding me. who needs that boring stuff when you got offense. jamison goes down with an injury and the whole plan leads to the knicks crumbling.
i love jamison as a player but the risks far out weigh the rewards. he could be a solid go 2 on the low-post and even that mid-range game but, you have got to be kidding me!
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1/26/2004  11:19 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by fishmike:

On a side note forget about trading KVH. The only way we get a deal with him done is by including Sweetney and Frank and I dont see how that can be worth it... unless its for Rahim

Don't know too much about Rahim, is he a PW or a SF? ALT won't take on contracts so I don't see KVH going there. With the right throw-ins, would a Thomas for Rahim trade make the Knicks better? I keep hearing Rahim is soft and never has gotten his team to the playoff, but Chad has mentioned it too so I am immediately skeptical.

I havent seen too many games wit him, but wat ive seen is that rahim is a pretty good player. I'm pretty sure hes a pf. He wont b expected to carry this team on his shoulders. He'd be next to a great shooter w/ houston, and also would have marbury too. From what ive seen, he'd be a very nice addition to ny.
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1/26/2004  11:23 AM
Also, we can finally unleash the beast in Bruno Sundov!

Bruno<---- lol ha ha ha. is he a really really tall shooting guard? lol
i know it was sarcasm, very funny!
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1/26/2004  11:32 AM
Don't forget the athletic stylings of Cezary Trybanski!

Honestly, Do you guys really think it is that lop-sided? We will never get an all-star caliber player if we nickel-and-dime other GMs. Layden perfected that technique. Isiah already started this all or nothing way and stopping now in my opinion would be foolish.

Deke is good in small doses, but he will be better suited in the West where the giants roam the paint. In the east, other teams just goes small ball to negate Deke. So what? You want Deke when we face Cleveland to match up with BigZ?

We would still have Sweetney and FWill as trade bait to land an athletic big. Not all would be lost.
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1/26/2004  11:42 AM
This move would be perfect in regards with contracts. We do this to win the east outright in the next 2-3 years. If we don't accomplish this we get cap room in the years following. Look at the length of the contracts.

Penny - 2 years left on a MAX contract
KVH - 2 years left on a MAX contract
Houston - 3 years left on a MAX contract
Shandon - (If he is still here) 3 years left on a HUGE contract
Moochie - 3 years left on a BIG contract
Jamison - (If we get him) 4 years left on a MAX contract
Marbury - 5 years left on a MAX contract

If we don't go to the finals at least once in the next 2-3 years then this Isiah experiment would be a bust.

Also, Penny and KVH become excellent trade assets in a year with huge expring contracts. Same with Shandon and Moochie in the 2nd year.
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