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MaseInYourFace
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1/25/2004  3:02 PM
vs heat, you all saw how even doleac has a better offensive game than Thomas, pretty sad.
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1/25/2004  3:05 PM
Posted by MaseInYourFace:

vs heat, you all saw how even doleac has a better offensive game than Thomas, pretty sad.

In other news, I hear that one game makes a season.
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1/25/2004  3:10 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by MaseInYourFace:

vs heat, you all saw how even doleac has a better offensive game than Thomas, pretty sad.

In other news, I hear that one game makes a season.
no it doesn't but it should lead to the next game atleast proving something positive(in any respect, helping the team win the game) about the guy. i'm looking forward to sa.
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1/25/2004  7:11 PM
Posted by posterchild:
Posted by martin:
Posted by MaseInYourFace:

vs heat, you all saw how even doleac has a better offensive game than Thomas, pretty sad.

In other news, I hear that one game makes a season.
no it doesn't but it should lead to the next game atleast proving something positive(in any respect, helping the team win the game) about the guy. i'm looking forward to sa.

I think that was sarcasm.
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1/25/2004  7:27 PM
I think that was sarcasm.
of course it was, but the point came out loud and clear, if you know what i mean.

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1/25/2004  8:33 PM
Posted by posterchild:
I think that was sarcasm.
of course it was, but the point came out loud and clear, if you know what i mean.

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1/25/2004  9:32 PM
Posted by MaseInYourFace:

vs heat, you all saw how even doleac has a better offensive game than Thomas, pretty sad.

I've seen this quite a few times from Doleac. He has the ability to play like this on a consistant basis, but doesn't. He is a waste of a talent. A 6'11 guy who stays on the perimeter. How useful!
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1/25/2004  10:50 PM
funny how doleac was brought in to create room while mydcyess eats the paint, but now that dyess is gone....
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1/25/2004  11:07 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by MaseInYourFace:

vs heat, you all saw how even doleac has a better offensive game than Thomas, pretty sad.

In other news, I hear that one game makes a season.

news flash: you don't know what you're talking about.

kthomas only has a small midrange jumper-that is nothing new, and that is what he did vs the heat. and he missed them, which he will do 60-70 percent of the time, and then he dissapears. doleac at least can take it to the rim somewhat. of course he does it pretty poorly though, but as you saw in that game, its more than thomas can do.
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1/25/2004  11:42 PM
Posted by NYKDUNK:
Posted by MaseInYourFace:

vs heat, you all saw how even doleac has a better offensive game than Thomas, pretty sad.

I've seen this quite a few times from Doleac. He has the ability to play like this on a consistant basis, but doesn't. He is a waste of a talent. A 6'11 guy who stays on the perimeter. How useful!

Kind sounds like Kurt Thomas, only he's 6'9'' but still.
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1/26/2004  1:19 AM
The question is: Who should get more minutes at C, Doleac or Mutombo? (at least until Doleac is traded)
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1/26/2004  2:34 AM
Posted by Rich:

The question is: Who should get more minutes at C, Doleac or Mutombo? (at least until Doleac is traded)

doleac just because mutumbo is so bad
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1/26/2004  8:56 AM
Posted by MaseInYourFace:
Posted by martin:
Posted by MaseInYourFace:

vs heat, you all saw how even doleac has a better offensive game than Thomas, pretty sad.

In other news, I hear that one game makes a season.

news flash: you don't know what you're talking about.

kthomas only has a small midrange jumper-that is nothing new, and that is what he did vs the heat. and he missed them, which he will do 60-70 percent of the time, and then he dissapears. doleac at least can take it to the rim somewhat. of course he does it pretty poorly though, but as you saw in that game, its more than thomas can do.

ah yes, thank you for making a meaningful arguement. Saying it with more words always make it so.



career freaking numbers:
         		G	MIN	FG		FG%
Thomas         		512	27.8	4.4-9.1		.485
Doleac    		362	16.0	2.5-5.6		.438

this freakin year:
Thomas         		45	33.2	5.0-11.0  	.452
Doleac    		38	14.2	2.1-4.7		.458

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1/26/2004  9:50 AM
Posted by Rich:

The question is: Who should get more minutes at C, Doleac or Mutombo? (at least until Doleac is traded)
I prefer mutombo.he may be older and slower; but he still is more intimidating than doleac will ever be at center.plus deke takes more space down low.Now as far as the powerfoward position goes..I pick doleac over kurt thomas.
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1/26/2004  11:46 AM
What's with all the KT bashing? He's had 2 weak games, but other than them, he's been the Knicks' most consistent player this year. He's an excellent shooter for a PF from 10 - 17. He plays very tough defense. Can be left to handle even very good PF's 1 on 1 on D and also plays good help defense.

Sure, he's got holes in his game. Not athletic. Not a shot blocker. Not a low-post threat. But he rebounds and is tough. Teams need guys like that. He brings to the Knicks a lot of what Oak brought. Not everyone can be number 1, 2 or 3 option.
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1/26/2004  11:53 AM
he does things other teams need not what we need from our PF. Shouldn't somebody on our team be averaging at least 10rebs? Anyway, if you think Doleac needs to start ahead of him you're crazy lol
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1/26/2004  12:01 PM
I would take Kurt Thomas over Doleac any day. Doleac seems a lot less consistent and does not intimidate at the center spot. I've seen this argument before on other boards, only the names were Othella and Weatherspoon.
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1/26/2004  12:01 PM
Posted by bernard:

What's with all the KT bashing? He's had 2 weak games, but other than them, he's been the Knicks' most consistent player this year. He's an excellent shooter for a PF from 10 - 17. He plays very tough defense. Can be left to handle even very good PF's 1 on 1 on D and also plays good help defense.

Sure, he's got holes in his game. Not athletic. Not a shot blocker. Not a low-post threat. But he rebounds and is tough. Teams need guys like that. He brings to the Knicks a lot of what Oak brought. Not everyone can be number 1, 2 or 3 option.
so... what is you point? you told us all the reasons that we don't like thomas for so why shouldn't we bash him? 2 weak games? he's been a looser since we put him in the starting spot. don't tell me that he's been a solid player when the team hasn't been winning with him as a starter. the fact of the matter is, the knicks need an upgrade at that position and isiah has to look to do it, with him having as expiring contract, that should help the situation.
bashing him is just matter of opinion, people look to blame somebody when it isn't going right for the player along with the team. he's not proved that he can deffend the athletic, up and coming, quick reacting, pf on a consistent basis, he looks to foul rather than move his feat, that is the problem with kurt. hey, when things aren't happening the way they should, people's opinions sometimes come out loud and clear.
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1/26/2004  12:25 PM
I think the problem is people focus too much on when he has a breakout 20pts & 10rebs game then he has a long stretch of 10 & 6, 8 & 4 and it gets overlooked and the poin about him missing his first2 shots then getting in to foul trouble and disappearing is so true.
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1/26/2004  3:54 PM
Posted by bernard:

What's with all the KT bashing? He's had 2 weak games, but other than them, he's been the Knicks' most consistent player this year. He's an excellent shooter for a PF from 10 - 17. He plays very tough defense. Can be left to handle even very good PF's 1 on 1 on D and also plays good help defense.

Sure, he's got holes in his game. Not athletic. Not a shot blocker. Not a low-post threat. But he rebounds and is tough. Teams need guys like that. He brings to the Knicks a lot of what Oak brought. Not everyone can be number 1, 2 or 3 option.
I'm not bashing kurt thoms.I'm just stating that he is not athletic,he's not a shot blocker and he's not a low post threat....damn isn't that what you said?
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