Come on Briggs, you're better than that. Obviously Amares impact is deeper than the numbers as would Melo's impact be on this club. I agree, I dont want to give up the farm, but yes, if we want to be one of the top 2-3 teams in the east and a championship contender, Melo is very necessary.

Uptown wrote:Briggs, you continue to combine the numbers of Gallo and Chandler and claim that Melo cant equal the two of them. By this same idiotic logic, if you combine Harrington and Lee's numbers from last year that avaraged 38 pts and 17 rbs. Those averages trump Stoudemire's numbers so accoding to your logic, we should have kept David and Al over Amare.

Cpome on Briggs, your better than that. Obviuosly Amares impact is deeper than that numbers as wold Melos impact be on this club. I agree, I dont wnat to give up the farm, but yes, if want to be one of the top 2-3 teams in the east and a championship contender, Melo is very necessary.

No my logic is spot on--we need a bench rehab. If we trade Fields Gallo and Chandler for Carmelo Anhony we will be a much worse team. While Melo can replace one(although we dont know what will happen with chemistry) he cant replace even 2 and if its 3 we wont win 40 games. And we are alse caped out--no I like chandler and Gallo better. We just need a legit 6th man and another big who can score when amare takes a much needed rest of is able to play big big for some minutes.

Now it is true that he can score a lot of points, but he's also not as efficient as you'd like him to be and he doesn't shoot from 3 a well as both of them. We'd need to replace those other things he doesn't bring to the table that they goth do. Things like shot blocking too.
I was hoping we could get Melo for a lot less, but with NJ raising the sale price I don't think it's possible.

Briggs is a mental case, but there doesnt seem to be a shred of evidence that Melo is elevating this team with what he brings.

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Dont use my name is vain guy anymore--I dont do that to anyone else. Im 42 and very well accomplished in this world--I dont need disrespect from a place that I give a lot of my time and contribution to. I dont care if you disagree but the personal sht is out of bounds kabeesh??

Uptown wrote:Briggs, you continue to combine the numbers of Gallo and Chandler and claim that Melo cant equal the two of them. By this same idiotic logic, if you combine Harrington and Lee's numbers from last year that avaraged 38 pts and 17 rbs. Those averages trump Stoudemire's numbers so accoding to your logic, we should have kept David and Al over Amare.

Cpome on Briggs, your better than that. Obviuosly Amares impact is deeper than that numbers as wold Melos impact be on this club. I agree, I dont wnat to give up the farm, but yes, if want to be one of the top 2-3 teams in the east and a championship contender, Melo is very necessary.

Its not just the combined stats that add up. And lets be real, without Felton your not fully able to utilize Amare's skill set.
Melo one could argue is not the play maker that gallo is or the defensive rebounder chandler is. These two are very good players. No-Sharington was an Isolation ball movement killer.

statwise what fields does is not measurable.

Im with Briggs that if you get melo in a competitive trade your really hampering your bench and cap space.

Yeah you need two players to go far. You either get them via free agency or draft. Trading kills. That or you need some patience to draft. Showtime Lakers drafted around Jabbar. Birds Celtics were put together using creative trades to create better draft picks and a few masterstrokes or genius/luck. Even getting Len Bias would have kept that team up! The luck ran out!

Melo as free agent or just Curry/Chandler is the difference of starphuching or being patient. Starphuch is paying retail to "make sure we get him". Patience would be Melo fully giving denver the opportunity to either get some value or he is dead serious about opting out.

Me, I think Just getting Chandler is not a fair trade and denver should do anythng to do better. But if Melo is serious about opting out then chandler is better than nothing. If they send him to a team that just wants to rent him for rest of year then its all fair game after that. Same thing, Nuggs don't get good value on a rental. Chandler is a legit 20-7 guy @ 24 years old and won't break the bank.

He ain't no superstar, but its better than nothing.

fishmike wrote:size and depth can win also. So can defense and a team concept. Who were the stars on the Piston's who beat the Lakers in 5 games in the finals in the middle of Shaq/Kobe's prime?

Is Carmello shutting down Paul Pierce or boxing out KG?

We didnt lose the game because we needed a great scorer. In fact we 116 and shot 53% against the best defensive team in the NBA.

Briggs is a mental case, but there doesnt seem to be a shred of evidence that Melo is elevating this team with what he brings.

The Melo will make us better because he's a star and stars win is just as faulty logic

I'm looking at the big picture not a game by game segment. Beating the Celts in December is good, but I'd rather beat them and the Heat in May/June. In the big picture, this team as currently constructed is not winning a championship. Adding Camby (or a player of that ilk) to this sqaud and we still are not competing for a championship.

Does Melo box on on KG to get a key rebound? Probably not. But does Melo make the shot that Amare missed down the stretch? Probably so. If you give Melo all 17 Chandlers shots, does he only score 18? Probably not. Would Melo only get 0 attempts from the freethrow line? Probably not. Pierce had 5 fouls last night. If he was gaurding Melo does he foul out? Its a good chance. And if he doesn't foul out his mins would have been reduced....

At what point do the Carmeloistas acknowledge that we are giving up too much in a hypothetical trade for Anthony?

And if we were to give up Gallo and Fields, for example...not only do we give up two of our major players on offense and defense, but we put ourselves in a position where we are depending on Chandler to resign with us next year, despite the fact that he can go somewhere else if the $$ is good.

The other issue I see is the versatility of Gallo, Fields, and Chandler, especially on defense. If, as some have talked about, MDA would have Melo at PF and Amare at C we would be getting killed defensively on a nightly basis, IMO.

I've had major arguments with Briggs in the past, but for me, he is on the right track. If Melo wants to come here, he can wait for a season- if not, so be it. Douglas seems to have a nagging injury problem, and Randolph seems to have a way to go before MDA trusts him enough to give him (or Mosguv, for that matter) serious minutes. I've been a supporter of Douglas, especially his D and his outside shooting, but until he is 100% we could really use another PG. We also need another Big.

Why destroy a team's chemistry for one player's greed and impatience?

Uptown wrote:

fishmike wrote:size and depth can win also. So can defense and a team concept. Who were the stars on the Piston's who beat the Lakers in 5 games in the finals in the middle of Shaq/Kobe's prime?

Is Carmello shutting down Paul Pierce or boxing out KG?

We didnt lose the game because we needed a great scorer. In fact we 116 and shot 53% against the best defensive team in the NBA.

Briggs is a mental case, but there doesnt seem to be a shred of evidence that Melo is elevating this team with what he brings.

The Melo will make us better because he's a star and stars win is just as faulty logic

I'm looking at the big picture not a game by game segment. Beating the Celts in December is good, but I'd rather beat them and the Heat in May/June. In the big picture, this team as currently constructed is not winning a championship. Adding Camby (or a player of that ilk) to this sqaud and we still are not competing for a championship.

Does Melo box on on KG to get a key rebound? Probably not. But does Melo make the shot that Amare missed down the stretch? Probably so. If you give Melo all 17 Chandlers shots, does he only score 18? Probably not. Would Melo only get 0 attempts from the freethrow line? Probably not. Pierce had 5 fouls last night. If he was gaurding Melo does he foul out? Its a good chance. And if he doesn't foul out his mins would have been reduced....

Two problems with Melo. 1 he's replacing an area thats already our strength. 2 his cost is such that no matter what your paying for him twice. We would have to trade our young players AND use all our cap space to extend him. IF you want to compete with the elite teams we need more size and depth. Even if you just sign him as a FA its going to cost you Chandler. I would rather have Chandler + a center then Melo.

We already have a star in Amare and a rising star in Felton. Varejeo makes us better than Melo right now.

Uptown wrote:Fish, you say stars winning championships is faulty logic? I know this is unnecessry because we are all bb fans and understand the game, but I'll do it anyway:

Champs: 87 & 88 Lakers (Magic, Worthy, Kareem HOF super stars)
Champs: 89 &90 Pistons (Isiah and Dumars HOF stars. Rodman might be HOF when its all said and done)
Champs: 91-93 Bulls (Jordan and Pippen)
Champs: 94-95 Rockets (Hakeem and Drexler. 94 was an exception since the team the Rockets beat in the finals also only had one HOF'er in Ewing. However Hakeem was just flat out better)
Champs: 96-98 Bulls (Jordan and Pippen)
Champs: 99 Spurs (Robinson and Duncan)
Champs: 00- 02 Lakers (Shaq and Kobe)
ETC................................................. I'll give you the Pistons but that was 1 out of the last 25 years. That Laker team was poorly put together as well. Unless STAT can average 35 a game in the playoffs, we will have a very tough time competing with the elite.

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AnubisADL wrote:We cant simply add a backup PG and defensive center and play like we are now.

Defensive Center means Fields, Gallo, or Chandler get sent to the bench.

We are successful right now because we are playing small ball and Amare's superb play is forcing teams to go small with us.

A backup PG and defensive center means deeper bench means Amare and Felton will be fresher in the end of games.

D'Antoni has to play Amare major minutes because he is essentially carrying the offense. He HAS to play for us to win.