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PresIke
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12/13/2010  9:02 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/13/2010  9:02 PM
i do find it worth noting that during the 6 game losing streak the blame seemed to lie very much on the coach, from many of the loudest mouths here.

yet, now that we're winning the praise is hurled towards the players and a bit towards walsh.

if mda deserved credit for those losses, then surely some should be directed towards him given our recent positive performance?

or is it that being a coach always involves criticism first if a team performs badly, and last when they do well?

or is there something else i'm missing...

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12/13/2010  9:16 PM
I have been a borderline dantoni hater, especially given his inability to do ANYTHING in the last two years, plus his head-case relationship issues with various players, That said, I give him credit for a number of things: 1) playing Fields from the get go 2) switching the offensive sets after the slow start of the season, 3) instilling confidence in shooters (well-placed in our players this year, who can actually shoot). What's good about Dantoni is that when his team's offense is going how it's supposed to (only this year, finally), it makes the players really gain confidence in their ability to score and win. He deserves credit along with the criticism he deserved over the years.
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12/13/2010  9:19 PM
It's mostly true that a Coach is there to be blamed or fired when things go wrong. IT's just one of those things. However, there is a very real bias against Mike not only from quite a few NY fans, but around the internet in general. A lot of NY fans just can't fall in love with the style. An offensive team in NY is hard for NY fans to swallow. The history here has most recently been about hard nosed defensive teams. This coach gets killed for not coaching defense regardless of how many games his team wins.

It's funny cuz they say you can't win that way despite his getting to the WCF's. The only way he gets full credit is to get to the finals. If he can get NY to the finals during the time Amar'e is here, then Mike will finally get some credit. I just remember clearly how little D was played during the Magic Lakers and Bird Celtics era. They had some great individual defenders, but overall they won with great offense. It can be done. The most recent Laker teams haven't been the greatest defensive teams in the league.
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12/13/2010  9:48 PM
For a team that plays no D we lead the league in blocks, 10 th in opp to's, 12 in steals. i don't have the pts per possession figures. maybe D'A deserves some credit
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12/13/2010  9:53 PM
MDA definately deserves a lot of credit. This continues then he will be a serious candidate for COY.
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12/13/2010  9:58 PM
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12/13/2010  10:15 PM
TheSage wrote:For a team that plays no D we lead the league in blocks, 10 th in opp to's, 12 in steals. i don't have the pts per possession figures. maybe D'A deserves some credit

http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats/_/sort/paceFactor

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12/13/2010  10:19 PM
martin wrote:
TheSage wrote:For a team that plays no D we lead the league in blocks, 10 th in opp to's, 12 in steals. i don't have the pts per possession figures. maybe D'A deserves some credit

http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats/_/sort/paceFactor

Interesting how both Minnesota games were to me the toughest wins of the season.

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12/13/2010  10:22 PM
Not yet, Amare and felton are the reasons, the absolute main reason were winning. MDA cut the rotation, tweek the playbook, and played the guys that played the best. We have leadership, and thats HUGE..Most of us envision this balance roster working well together, the only down fall thus far has obviously been AR.

I just can't overlooked what amare has been doing on and off the court, and feltons toughness..these dudes play a lot of minutes and are still sharp at then end of the games. Amare looks like he can play another 40 minutes, and feltons right there with him.

If we are a top 3 team in the east at seasons end, there's no reason he shouldn't get COY

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12/13/2010  11:13 PM
babyKnicks wrote:
martin wrote:
TheSage wrote:For a team that plays no D we lead the league in blocks, 10 th in opp to's, 12 in steals. i don't have the pts per possession figures. maybe D'A deserves some credit

http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats/_/sort/paceFactor

Interesting how both Minnesota games were to me the toughest wins of the season.

especially since we lost one

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12/13/2010  11:14 PM
He deserves credit for all of this good stuff. This team without MDA would be garbage.

The role of the coach is to provide structure and leadership, a framework from which the team goes out and executes. You take that away and all you have is a bunch of people shooting hoops at a playground, calling touch fouls.

MDA is the man. Haters are going to hate, that's what they do. They hate their own lives so they take that out on Coach Mike and Gallo.

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12/13/2010  11:27 PM
martin wrote:
babyKnicks wrote:
martin wrote:
TheSage wrote:For a team that plays no D we lead the league in blocks, 10 th in opp to's, 12 in steals. i don't have the pts per possession figures. maybe D'A deserves some credit

http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats/_/sort/paceFactor

Interesting how both Minnesota games were to me the toughest wins of the season.

especially since we lost one

Good catch...that one win felt like two

Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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12/14/2010  12:39 AM
When he puts together a full season, thats all.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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12/14/2010  1:03 AM
TheSage wrote:For a team that plays no D we lead the league in blocks, 10 th in opp to's, 12 in steals. i don't have the pts per possession figures. maybe D'A deserves some credit

He has some players who have the ability and the desire to do what he wants done on D, which was something we lacked last year.

If you look at our Solid Seven- they all bring something to the table defensively, and Mosguv and Williams also play some D. Doesn't mean that we don't make mistakes, and Amare, despite his blocks, has mental lapses on the defensive end, but all in all, we have a group that puts in an effort to defend our basket and it shows.

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12/14/2010  1:28 AM
orangeblobman wrote:He deserves credit for all of this good stuff. This team without MDA would be garbage.

The role of the coach is to provide structure and leadership, a framework from which the team goes out and executes. You take that away and all you have is a bunch of people shooting hoops at a playground, calling touch fouls.

MDA is the man. Haters are going to hate, that's what they do. They hate their own lives so they take that out on Coach Mike and Gallo.

Thats pretty accurate, more or less.

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12/14/2010  3:04 AM
We have Amar'e which helps, but the rest of the team ain't exactly the Boston Celtics. You can't just roll the ball out there and this team plays like this. Just remember how the team looked before they got the hang of things. This isn't the only time Mike has had a team looking like this. What help of course is having a guy that has reached another level.

Last Year Amar'e went crazy in the second half of the season and some thought it was just a flash. Who knew that the guy simply figured things out for himself and stepped up to another level. The best thing he did for his career was moving to NY and out of the comfort zone of PHX. It forced him to play even harder and he's up to the task.

He talked a lot of crap about Mike, but I bet Amar'e is glad to be back with him now. If he had gone to the wrong team, who knows how they would've used him. Mike knew him so well and has really taken full advantage of his skills. For both Felton and Amar'e this is a perfect place to be. Mike makes sure that the PG/PF combo gets a lot of love. That in turn makes everyone else job much easier.
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12/14/2010  8:29 AM
babyKnicks wrote:Rings

Yeah Right, people can't stop singing Mark Jackson's praise as a coach, and he hasn't even coached anywhere. RMA

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12/14/2010  8:31 AM
knicks1248 wrote:Not yet, Amare and felton are the reasons, the absolute main reason were winning. MDA cut the rotation, tweek the playbook, and played the guys that played the best. We have leadership, and thats HUGE..Most of us envision this balance roster working well together, the only down fall thus far has obviously been AR.

I just can't overlooked what amare has been doing on and off the court, and feltons toughness..these dudes play a lot of minutes and are still sharp at then end of the games. Amare looks like he can play another 40 minutes, and feltons right there with him.

If we are a top 3 team in the east at seasons end, there's no reason he shouldn't get COY

But when we were losing six in arow and amare wasn't doing those things and Felton wasn't playing tough, it was the coach's fault right?

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12/14/2010  8:37 AM
right now.
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12/14/2010  8:45 AM
I won't lie - during the streak I doubted ability because we weren't just losing, we were embarrassing. However, since then the team has stepped up and I believe Amare is a big part of that, but the coach deserves credit too. Without a good coach this team would be laying down and taking it on the chin.

We have a lot of tests left this season and I am sure there will be more losing, but the recent win streak and the way they have been doing it has really reinvigorated the franchise and the fan base.

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