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matt
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12/13/2010  1:03 PM
"So the Knicks finally got tested by a good team on Sunday, and what happened? They had their best offensive game of the season. (It was also their worst defensive game, but a W is a W.) Devil's advocate: How much would Carmelo Anthony help if their offense is already third-best in the league?"

*repetitious Carmelo talk commence*

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12/13/2010  1:07 PM
matt wrote:Devil's advocate: [b]How much would Carmelo Anthony help if their offense is already third-best in the league?"

Who's 1st & 2nd?

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12/13/2010  1:10 PM
1 Boston (19-4)
Pace: 92.9 (23), Off: 107.2 (7), Def: 96.3 (1)
The Celtics have done a great job of integrating Shaquille O'Neal, but they're still 6-1 without him. They're also 3-1 without Rajon Rondo. Jermaine O'Neal, Delonte West and Kendrick Perkins have played a combined 12 games. As Paul Pierce said last week, "It's going to be scary when we get healthy."
Previous: 1

2 San Antonio (20-3)
Pace: 95.7 (12), Off: 110.3 (1), Def: 99.7 (8)
What's more amazing: That the Spurs have the No. 1 offense in the league, or that they haven't missed a single game from Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili or Tony Parker? Maybe the two are related. They're the first team to 20 wins and their home-heavy schedule continues through the end of the month.
Previous: 2

3 Dallas (19-4)
Pace: 92.9 (24), Off: 106.9 (8), Def: 99.1 (8)
Dirk Nowitzki shot 50.2 percent in his MVP season, a career-high. He's shooting 56.8 percent this season and a ridiculous 58.9 percent during the Mavs' 12-game winning streak. The story in Dallas is the Mavs' defense, but Nowitzki is as much an MVP candidate as anyone right now.
Previous: 3

4 L.A. Lakers (17-7)
Pace: 97.1 (7), Off: 109.3 (4), Def: 101.8 (10)
The Lakers have won four out of five after that four-game losing streak, but the four wins have come against teams with a combined record of 22-70. And the competition for the remaining four games of their seven-game trip isn't much stronger. Andrew Bynum may or may not return Tuesday in Washington.
Previous: 5

5 Miami (17-8)
Pace: 93.0 (22), Off: 108.9 (5), Def: 97.1 (2)
This is what we thought the Heat would be. They've won eight straight, the defense is suffocating and the three big-three combinations are at the top of their two-man plus-minus list for the last 10 games. That should quiet the questions about on-court chemistry, no?
Previous: 9

6 Oklahoma City (17-8)
Pace: 95.6 (13), Off: 105.9 (12), Def: 104.2 (16)
Jeff Green. Serge Ibaka. Russell Westbrook. And now James Harden. Don't get caught under the basket against this team. And is it time for Kevin Durant to catch fire? He shot 10-for-17 in an easy win over the Cavs on Sunday and will face some sketchy defenses in the next couple of weeks.
Previous: 8

7 Utah (17-8)
Pace: 93.5 (19), Off: 106.3 (9), Def: 103.4 (13)
The only teams the Jazz have lost to in the last 5 1/2 weeks have been the Thunder, Spurs, Mavs and Heat. If they continue to beat teams below them in the standings, they'll win their next 17. But they've been rather inconsistent from game to game (heck, from quarter to quarter) on both ends of the floor.
Previous: 7

8 Orlando (16-8)
Pace: 92.6 (27), Off: 105.4 (14), Def: 98.6 (3)
Maybe the stomach flu (and ensuing recovery) wasn't the cause for the Magic's entire four-game losing streak, but it certainly had a hand in them losing the second spot in the Eastern Conference. There's a lot of basketball to be played, but getting a top-two seed is critical in a conference with three title contenders.
Previous: 4

9 New York (16-9)
Pace: 99.0 (3), Off: 109.5 (3), Def: 106.0 (20)
So the Knicks finally got tested by a good team on Sunday, and what happened? They had their best offensive game of the season. (It was also their worst defensive game, but a W is a W.) Devil's advocate: How much would Carmelo Anthony help if their offense is already third-best in the league?
Previous: 12

10 Atlanta (16-9)
Pace: 92.7 (25), Off: 106.2 (10), Def: 103.1 (12)
The Hawks are now 5-2, with losses in Miami and San Antonio, without the guy who will be 34 years old in the final year of his $124 million contract. Jason Collins (who's 32) had more rebounds in his three starts last week (15) than he had in 24 games last season (14).
Previous: 11

11 Chicago (14-8)
Pace: 96.1 (11), Off: 102.6 (19), Def: 99.0 (5)
Maybe the Bulls can play great defense with Carlos Boozer in the lineup after all. Boozer's offensive production has been inconsistent and he's a minus-six thus far, but Chicago held its four opponents (including the Thunder and Lakers) to 39 percent shooting and 88 points per 100 possessions last week.
Previous: 13

12 Denver (14-9)
Pace: 99.2 (2), Off: 107.7 (6), Def: 105.6 (18)
On Sunday, George Karl called the Nuggets' 1-3 trip east "solid," even though they lost to the Bobcats, gave up 129 points to the Knicks and allowed their opponents to shoot 52 percent on the trip. They're still 10-1 (and much better offensively) at home, but they get visits from the Magic and Spurs this week.
Previous: 6

13 New Orleans (14-9)
Pace: 92.6 (26), Off: 101.3 (21), Def: 98.9 (4)
The Hornets have lost eight of their last 11 games, with their offense reaching a new low in Philadelphia on Sunday. Chris Paul made eight of his 12 shots, but his teammates made just 16 of their 65. With a visit to Miami on Monday, recovering from that stinker might be difficult.
Previous: 10

14 Indiana (11-11)
Pace: 96.9 (9), Off: 101.9 (20), Def: 100.5 (9)
Against the Raptors on Monday, the Pacers had their best offensive game since the 20-for-21 night. But they've lost the momentum they had after wins over the Heat and Lakers, and they keep bouncing back to the .500 mark. With the Bulls, Lakers, Cavs and Celtics on the schedule this week, they may go below it.
Previous: 15

15 Portland (12-12)
Pace: 91.2 (30), Off: 103.2 (15), Def: 103.8 (15)
After shooting 12-for-40 in the first three games of the Blazers' winning streak, Brandon Roy carried them to win No. 4 in Phoenix on Friday. Then it was another rough night (4-for-16) as the streak came to an end in San Antonio. The Blazers have now shot 40 percent or worse in seven of their last 12 games.
Previous: 16

16 Phoenix (11-12)
Pace: 96.9 (8), Off: 109.5 (2), Def: 110.0 (30)
And back down the roller coaster go the Suns. What's strange about this three-game losing streak is that it's their offense that has hurt them. It's the first time in five years that they've been held under 100 points in three straight games, and that's with one of the games going to overtime.
Previous: 14

17 Memphis (10-14)
Pace: 95.6 (14), Off: 102.6 (18), Def: 105.4 (17)
With seven of their eight remaining games this month coming against teams at or below .500, the Grizzlies have a real shot at making a run at the eighth spot in the West. The stretch begins with the team that currently holds that eighth spot. The Blazers visit Memphis on Monday.
Previous: 17

18 Houston (9-14)
Pace: 97.7 (5), Off: 106.0 (11), Def: 106.9 (22)
After winning just three of their first 13 games, the Rockets have won six of their last 10. And the key may be the pace. They're scoring fewer points per game over the last 10, but it's only because they've been playing slower. They've actually been more efficient offensively (108.5 points per 100 possessions).
Previous: 18

19 Philadelphia (8-15)
Pace: 94.4 (17), Off: 103.2 (16), Def: 102.4 (11)
Improvement on both ends (Off: 109.8, Def: 98.1) have sparked this 5-2 stretch for the Sixers, which includes Thursday's heartbreaking loss to the Celtics. They need to keep it going against the Nets and Clippers early this week, because after that, they host the Lakers and then play eight straight on the road.
Previous: 23

20 Milwaukee (9-13)
Pace: 93.5 (20), Off: 97.0 (30), Def: 99.3 (7)
Their offense hasn't exactly taken off, but the Bucks have been able to grind out wins in three of their last four games with Andrew Bogut averaging 20.8 points and 16.0 boards. As disappointing as they've been, they're currently a playoff team. But their schedule over the next four weeks is brutal.
Previous: 21

21 Toronto (9-15)
Pace: 97.1 (6), Off: 105.5 (13), Def: 109.0 (27)
The average score of the Raps' last five games has been 109-118. Playing consistently atrocious defense, they managed the biggest comeback in franchise history to end their four-game losing streak on Saturday. A couple of timely stops might allow them to hold the Bobcats under 115 on Tuesday.
Previous: 19

22 Charlotte (8-15)
Pace: 93.3 (21), Off: 99.9 (25), Def: 103.4 (14)
On the bright side, the 62 points the Bobcats scored against the Celtics on Saturday were three more than they scored against Boston in their first game last season. Obviously a victim of the Hang Time Blog jinx, D.J. Augustin failed to score and registered just one assist in more than 32 minutes of playing time.
Previous: 20

23 Detroit (7-18)
Pace: 91.6 (28), Off: 100.9 (22), Def: 108.8 (26)
The Pistons really found a new way to lose on Saturday. It was new because Ben Wallace had never scored 23 points in a game before, and no team had ever blown a 25-point lead to the Raptors. Detroit has allowed its opponents to shoot 51 percent and has lost eight of their last nine.
Previous: 24

24 Golden State (8-15)
Pace: 98.0 (4), Off: 102.6 (17), Def: 109.3 (29)
That 6-2 start the Warriors had is long forgotten. Stephen Curry is out again with the same ankle injury and David Lee is clearly still bothered by the hole in his elbow. Still, neither injury is an excuse for a defense that has allowed 112.6 points per 100 possessions over the last 16 games.
Previous: 22

25 New Jersey (6-18)
Pace: 91.6 (29), Off: 99.9 (26), Def: 105.8 (19)
Clearly, the Nets need Carmelo Anthony more than the Knicks do. They're still 5-1 when Devin Harris scores 21-plus, but they' re 0-7 and scoring a measly 95.2 points per 100 possessions since the last time he did. Sunday's strong effort against the Lakers is evidence that they haven't let go of the rope.
Previous: 26

26 Minnesota (6-18)
Pace: 100.6 (1), Off: 100.5 (23), Def: 108.3 (24)
The Timberwolves are undefeated (1-0, with Friday's win over Detroit) and Darko Milicic is averaging 7.0 blocks per game when they wear their new black uniforms. Back in blue, they got crushed in Chicago on Saturday. Perhaps they should wear the black on the road, where they're now 1-12.
Previous: 28

27 L.A. Clippers (5-20)
Pace: 94.3 (18), Off: 99.7 (27), Def: 107.2 (23)
The Clippers had Wednesday's game against the Lakers in their hands. Up five with 1:14 left, they didn't even miss a shot the rest of the way. But they were done in by two Eric Gordon turnovers and Derek Fisher's (barely) buzzer-beating drive. Another one-point loss (to Memphis) followed.
Previous: 29

28 Sacramento (5-16)
Pace: 95.0 (16), Off: 99.2 (28), Def: 106.6 (21)
With a loss to the Clippers and a win over the Wizards (which ended an eight-game slide), the Kings were in the middle of the bottom-five round robin last week. Tyreke Evans, who continues to struggle with plantar fascitis, will reportedly miss their three-game trip this week.
Previous: 30

29 Washington (6-16)
Pace: 96.2 (10), Off: 100.3 (24), Def: 109.1 (28)
After playing the Lakers pretty tough the night before, Wednesday's visit to Sacramento was a great opportunity for the Wizards to pick up their first road win of the season ... and (playing without John Wall) they lost to the Kings by 25. Both the Lakers and Heat visit the Verizon Center this week.
Previous: 27

30 Cleveland (7-17)
Pace: 95.1 (15), Off: 97.7 (29), Def: 108.5 (25)
Byron Scott changed his starting lineup on Wednesday against the Bulls and the Cavs showed their first signs of life since the Heat debacle. They had a six-point lead with three minutes to go, but choked it away. After losses by a combined 44 points in Houston and Oklahoma City, they've dropped eight straight.

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12/13/2010  1:10 PM
Going by PPG, we're #1 in the league (108.5 PPG).

Going by FG%, we're 7th (46.9%).

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12/13/2010  1:21 PM
9 New York (16-9)
Pace: 99.0 (3), Off: 109.5 (3), Def: 106.0 (20)

16 Phoenix (11-12)
Pace: 96.9 (8), Off: 109.5 (2), Def: 110.0 (30)

Some of our offense (and current success) is given by our coach and system. This pace is gonna get you a lot of points. But it's not going to work, for instance, with a lumbering bigman. I think, however, that when your team is stocked with two studs like Amare and Melo you can run a few different kinds of systems successfully.

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12/13/2010  1:28 PM
BlueSeats wrote:9 New York (16-9)
Pace: 99.0 (3), Off: 109.5 (3), Def: 106.0 (20)

16 Phoenix (11-12)
Pace: 96.9 (8), Off: 109.5 (2), Def: 110.0 (30)

Some of our offense (and current success) is given by our coach and system. This pace is gonna get you a lot of points. But it's not going to work, for instance, with a lumbering bigman. I think, however, that when your team is stocked with two studs like Amare and Melo you can run a few different kinds of systems successfully.

hmm, not exactly sure what you mean. Those Off and Def #'s are effectiveness and so pace has been factored in, but perhaps you were considering that.

Here is the big thing for me. Fuck Kerr and his thought that MDA needed to bring in a defensive coach to cure a teams deficiencies in defense; it's a combo of both coaching and Gm adjustments with players. It's just so bite-you-in-the-ass evident that he forced MDA out to bring in a more defensive minded coach... and then the team's defense # went down and continue to do so.

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12/13/2010  1:34 PM
Hollinger's formula still has us at 15 -- behind Indiana and Houston (!) as well as everyone who has a better or similar record. Based, I'm sure, on SOS (lack thereof). My gut tells me somewhere inbetween 9 and 15 is fair for where we are now. Don't think we're better than Atlanta or Chicago (but aren't far behind). But do think we're better than Indiana, Houston and NO.
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12/13/2010  1:44 PM
Martin, I really don't know how those Off numbers are derived, but Phoenix is even with us there, and I don't think they can afford to rest on their laurels, nor we.

What I do think is that we are overachieving, just as Phoenix used to. People used to say of D'Antoni's system "If it couldn't work with Amare and Nash it's not a system that can win." I say BS, it was working. With another coach/system they they do worse.

Watch, the same will happen here. We'll outperform our .500 expectations but come up short in the playoffs, and you know who'll they'll blame? MDA. They'll say Donnie did us great, but MDA failed us. Then, they'll change the coach and we'll do worse.

I'm interested in having the goods to do well with a multitude of coaches.

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12/13/2010  2:16 PM
Indiana kind of does have a sneaky good team with Hibbert and Granger. You could argue that they have two top 5 guys at their positions.

Houston's a little crazy. They should not be ranked ahead of us.

We lost to the Hawks, so that's fair for now. Not the worst rankings I've seen by Hollinger.

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12/13/2010  2:25 PM
I've been saying for years that Mike's system had made the Suns perform above their talent level. Those teams were never as good as the SPurs or other top teams. Especially that year they won 54 without Amar'e. You don't need anymore proof than that. He gets so much out of players that it seems like he's not part of the reason the teams do well. Just look at Felton. This guy has far exceeded what most of the NBA analysts assumed he was capable of. If you give Mike a smart and talented player he'll show him how to excel. We can't win without certain types of players in particular we couldn't win without a decent PG. Now DW gave him a PG and a Big, so that was a huge upgrade.

Right now the team needs to find a way to get that help on the interior defense. They have to develop Timo. Maybe this is why they've been giving him so much PT. Maybe they already surmised that AR would have to be used in a trade to make the Melo deal happen and that the only big left would be Timo. IDK Maybe they can take Jared off Houston's hands, as some insurance.

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12/13/2010  2:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/13/2010  2:43 PM
the Knicks in the top 10? a black President? a woman as Secretary of the State? the Chinese as a global power? the expectation is to protect gay children's' rights? did hell freeze over?
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12/13/2010  2:59 PM
Picture if you will...

SupremeCommander wrote:the Knicks in the top 10? a black President? a woman as Secretary of the State? the Chinese as a global power? the expectation is to protect gay children's' rights? did hell freeze over?

For you have just entered ... the Twilight Zone!

Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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12/13/2010  3:15 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:the Knicks in the top 10? a black President? a woman as Secretary of the State? the Chinese as a global power? the expectation is to protect gay children's' rights? did hell freeze over?

That is as close to a LOL icon that we have.

But a correction, we have a half black president. I mean you could just as easily say half white, but I see where you are coming from.

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12/13/2010  3:19 PM
earthmansurfer wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:the Knicks in the top 10? a black President? a woman as Secretary of the State? the Chinese as a global power? the expectation is to protect gay children's' rights? did hell freeze over?

That is as close to a LOL icon that we have.

But a correction, we have a half black president. I mean you could just as easily say half white, but I see where you are coming from.

Clinton is still the 1st Black President! So many Blacks in this country are part white it's a non issue. These are indeed remarkable times we're living in.

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12/13/2010  4:54 PM
nixluva wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:the Knicks in the top 10? a black President? a woman as Secretary of the State? the Chinese as a global power? the expectation is to protect gay children's' rights? did hell freeze over?

That is as close to a LOL icon that we have.

But a correction, we have a half black president. I mean you could just as easily say half white, but I see where you are coming from.

Clinton is still the 1st Black President! So many Blacks in this country are part white it's a non issue. These are indeed remarkable times we're living in.

when Korea becomes a world power i'm taking over these forums.

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