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Finestrg
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12/13/2010  12:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/13/2010  12:19 PM
Amar'e, Melo, OJ Mayo, Ray Felton.

Just talking to a buddy of mine and we both have a funny feeling that's the core Donnie might be trying to assemble here. Now is that good enough to compete for a chip? I'm not sure -- I think it might be. That's a pretty nice core 4 right there..Will we have enough total assets to deal for both Mayo & Melo? We might now, now that Melo has come out through the back channels and said he only wishes to sign an extension with NY and no one else...TMS said it well on another thread the other day -- would Denver really want to lose their star player for nothing the way PHX did with STAT, the way Toronto did with Bosh, the way Cleveland did with LeBron?? No, off course they wouldn't..Whatever little compensation any of those teams did get in terms of draft picks from Miami wasn't nearly enough or anywhere near equal value...You gotta figure Denver has learned a lesson from that..The Nuggets may not be completely enamoured with our assets but if what Melo has leaked is true, they may not have a choice now..Lose him for nothing or at least get a Danilo Gallinari out of it..I like this lastest development -- it should give Walsh a lot better position to deal from with DEN -- their asking price should come down now accordingly. And you would think it might give us the flexibility to balance out assets in order to make both deals..

So how 'bout it fellas -- when the dust settles, if we come out of this with those 4 guys as the core, is that enough to go all the way? Provided the rest of the roster is rounded out & tweaked properly? Just curious what do you guys think??

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12/13/2010  12:21 PM
Insofar as I know, that's a nice fantasy team but one that hardly plays defense. Pass.

I am thinking about the teams that Donnie has built in Indy and they are big, strong and defensive minded. Don't think he would take the Knicks in your direction.

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12/13/2010  12:36 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/13/2010  12:38 PM
Hey, it's not really my direction at all (you know my deal by now -- if it were up to me I would've already tweaked this current roster/rotation with another inexpensive big & possibly a cheap PG, in that order -- I would've first looked internally at AR & Rautins, they would've gotten first crack -- if neither guy was the answer I was looking for, then I would've looked to the DL or elsewhere for help)..Me and my buddy were just trying to think where Donnie might be headed based on all the current rumors, developments etc..I was at the game yesterday and had a blast -- I really like this team..But seriously, is it a championship level team?? In the end of the day that's what it's all about in the NBA, NOTHING ELSE, and you don't rest until you get there..And as we've seen many times before from the countless blunders all the GMs before Donnie have made, you have to be super smart about going about it..I'd love to say yes, this team is championship caliber, but everyone knows deep down in their heart of hearts that that may not be the case yet..So where do we go from here? Mayo & Melo rumors are running rampant. NY is linked to both guys..Just trying to connect the dots a little.
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12/13/2010  12:46 PM
I think our team is in perfect position to grow together and really accomplish something. We don't need guards or one on one players. We need size and bulk up front that's the only place where we are lacking.

Fields is damn good. He does everything well and doesn't demand the ball, he plays within a team concept and his doesn't need three lockers to let everyone know how great he is. Melo is a nice player and a talented scorer but he is a volume scorer who is going to command a ton of shots and his ego is huge.

Chandler and Gallo are getting better every game. Chandler defends three positions and is great on the break. Danillo has a long way to go but even at 21 he is making big plays.

I stay with this team because Melo isn't taking us past Miami or Boston right now.

You hang onto guys like Fields, AR, Douglas, Gallo and Chandler. Every ******* that works at ESPN crapped all over our team this summer and now all of a sudden they respect our talent.

I think we have something built for the long term. Just imagine if the ******* snake didn't sign Jefferies and add additional pick in the Marbury deal. Donnie deserves his do, hopefully he doesn't make a move for Melo

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12/13/2010  1:15 PM
I like that group a lot. Mayo is a great fit with his shooting ability. As long as we retain either Gallo or Fields through his whole process because i want one of them starting and Mayo as 6th man. Also, Turiaf is great but not as a starting center long term. If we find a solid defensive minded center then no question this core can compete for a championship. Our team should look something like that after trading for Melo and Mayo and finding that center.

C (Good two-way center), Turiaf, Mozgov
PF Stoudemire, draft pick
SF Anthony, S Williams
SG (Fields or Gallo), Mayo, Rautins
PG Felton, (Douglas or draft pick or FA)

With the right center there is no question that team is good enough to compete for a championship in the future.

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12/13/2010  4:21 PM
Finestrg wrote:Amar'e, Melo, OJ Mayo, Ray Felton.

Just talking to a buddy of mine and we both have a funny feeling that's the core Donnie might be trying to assemble here. Now is that good enough to compete for a chip? I'm not sure -- I think it might be. That's a pretty nice core 4 right there..Will we have enough total assets to deal for both Mayo & Melo? We might now, now that Melo has come out through the back channels and said he only wishes to sign an extension with NY and no one else...TMS said it well on another thread the other day -- would Denver really want to lose their star player for nothing the way PHX did with STAT, the way Toronto did with Bosh, the way Cleveland did with LeBron?? No, off course they wouldn't..Whatever little compensation any of those teams did get in terms of draft picks from Miami wasn't nearly enough or anywhere near equal value...You gotta figure Denver has learned a lesson from that..The Nuggets may not be completely enamoured with our assets but if what Melo has leaked is true, they may not have a choice now..Lose him for nothing or at least get a Danilo Gallinari out of it..I like this lastest development -- it should give Walsh a lot better position to deal from with DEN -- their asking price should come down now accordingly. And you would think it might give us the flexibility to balance out assets in order to make both deals..

So how 'bout it fellas -- when the dust settles, if we come out of this with those 4 guys as the core, is that enough to go all the way? Provided the rest of the roster is rounded out & tweaked properly? Just curious what do you guys think??

i think all u are missing there is a defensive minded starting calibre C... if we make a trade for Melo now we may be able to use our MLE this summer to sign one... plus depending on what we're giving up for Mayo & Melo, if Wilson is not part of either deal we can hold onto him as well this summer, so that leaves u with a great 6th man scorer off the bench to add to that core of players u have listed... w/other guys like Turiaf, Douglas & either Walker or Williams on the bench, that's enough to be a legitimate championship contender IMO.

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12/13/2010  4:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/13/2010  4:45 PM
TMS wrote:
Finestrg wrote:Amar'e, Melo, OJ Mayo, Ray Felton.

Just talking to a buddy of mine and we both have a funny feeling that's the core Donnie might be trying to assemble here. Now is that good enough to compete for a chip? I'm not sure -- I think it might be. That's a pretty nice core 4 right there..Will we have enough total assets to deal for both Mayo & Melo? We might now, now that Melo has come out through the back channels and said he only wishes to sign an extension with NY and no one else...TMS said it well on another thread the other day -- would Denver really want to lose their star player for nothing the way PHX did with STAT, the way Toronto did with Bosh, the way Cleveland did with LeBron?? No, off course they wouldn't..Whatever little compensation any of those teams did get in terms of draft picks from Miami wasn't nearly enough or anywhere near equal value...You gotta figure Denver has learned a lesson from that..The Nuggets may not be completely enamoured with our assets but if what Melo has leaked is true, they may not have a choice now..Lose him for nothing or at least get a Danilo Gallinari out of it..I like this lastest development -- it should give Walsh a lot better position to deal from with DEN -- their asking price should come down now accordingly. And you would think it might give us the flexibility to balance out assets in order to make both deals..

So how 'bout it fellas -- when the dust settles, if we come out of this with those 4 guys as the core, is that enough to go all the way? Provided the rest of the roster is rounded out & tweaked properly? Just curious what do you guys think??

i think all u are missing there is a defensive minded starting calibre C... if we make a trade for Melo now we may be able to use our MLE this summer to sign one... plus depending on what we're giving up for Mayo & Melo, if Wilson is not part of either deal we can hold onto him as well this summer, so that leaves u with a great 6th man scorer off the bench to add to that core of players u have listed... w/other guys like Turiaf, Douglas & either Walker or Williams on the bench, that's enough to be a legitimate championship contender IMO.

I say keep Gallo....... Trade Curry Mozgov Chandler Williams AR and Walker get back Melo and Mayo!!

Start Melo @ PF & STAT @ C.......

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12/13/2010  4:55 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/13/2010  4:59 PM
martin wrote:Insofar as I know, that's a nice fantasy team but one that hardly plays defense. Pass.

I am thinking about the teams that Donnie has built in Indy and they are big, strong and defensive minded. Don't think he would take the Knicks in your direction.

what martin said

Pass. Unless finestrgs' buddy is Donnie Walsh his smallish (mayo is 6'4) core desperately misses the intelligence and energy of Fields, the shrieking girls every time Gallo raises for a three ... and the rebounding and astounding of The Mayor.

No thank you.

Free Mozgov and Anthony Randolph from the pine.

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12/13/2010  5:50 PM
umynot wrote:
TMS wrote:
Finestrg wrote:Amar'e, Melo, OJ Mayo, Ray Felton.

Just talking to a buddy of mine and we both have a funny feeling that's the core Donnie might be trying to assemble here. Now is that good enough to compete for a chip? I'm not sure -- I think it might be. That's a pretty nice core 4 right there..Will we have enough total assets to deal for both Mayo & Melo? We might now, now that Melo has come out through the back channels and said he only wishes to sign an extension with NY and no one else...TMS said it well on another thread the other day -- would Denver really want to lose their star player for nothing the way PHX did with STAT, the way Toronto did with Bosh, the way Cleveland did with LeBron?? No, off course they wouldn't..Whatever little compensation any of those teams did get in terms of draft picks from Miami wasn't nearly enough or anywhere near equal value...You gotta figure Denver has learned a lesson from that..The Nuggets may not be completely enamoured with our assets but if what Melo has leaked is true, they may not have a choice now..Lose him for nothing or at least get a Danilo Gallinari out of it..I like this lastest development -- it should give Walsh a lot better position to deal from with DEN -- their asking price should come down now accordingly. And you would think it might give us the flexibility to balance out assets in order to make both deals..

So how 'bout it fellas -- when the dust settles, if we come out of this with those 4 guys as the core, is that enough to go all the way? Provided the rest of the roster is rounded out & tweaked properly? Just curious what do you guys think??

i think all u are missing there is a defensive minded starting calibre C... if we make a trade for Melo now we may be able to use our MLE this summer to sign one... plus depending on what we're giving up for Mayo & Melo, if Wilson is not part of either deal we can hold onto him as well this summer, so that leaves u with a great 6th man scorer off the bench to add to that core of players u have listed... w/other guys like Turiaf, Douglas & either Walker or Williams on the bench, that's enough to be a legitimate championship contender IMO.

I say keep Gallo....... Trade Curry Mozgov Chandler Williams AR and Walker get back Melo and Mayo!!

Start Melo @ PF & STAT @ C.......

if we're gonna make a trade for Mayo too, then i would trade Gallo & keep Wilson C in any Melo trade... if we're gonna keep Fields, then it would probably make for better balance to keep Gallo & trade Wilson in any Melo trade... even so, personally i hope we hold onto Fields & Wilson & trade Gallo, AR & any other filler/picks it would take to get Melo to NY... that allows us to keep Wilson this summer & have a very nice team going forward... basically you'd just be replacing Gallo with Melo in the current rotation, which would be a huge upgrade any way you wanna look at it.

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12/13/2010  7:54 PM
i just looked at melo's #s.. good lord, 42%fg..27%3pt...thats good for the bottom of the nba..why do we want this guy again
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12/13/2010  8:24 PM
knicks1248 wrote:i just looked at melo's #s.. good lord, 42%fg..27%3pt...thats good for the bottom of the nba..why do we want this guy again

same reason why we would want a guy like Kevin Durant... cuz over their careers they have proven they are elite talent in the NBA... but i guess you wouldn't want him either.

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12/13/2010  8:29 PM
TMS wrote:
umynot wrote:
TMS wrote:
Finestrg wrote:Amar'e, Melo, OJ Mayo, Ray Felton.

Just talking to a buddy of mine and we both have a funny feeling that's the core Donnie might be trying to assemble here. Now is that good enough to compete for a chip? I'm not sure -- I think it might be. That's a pretty nice core 4 right there..Will we have enough total assets to deal for both Mayo & Melo? We might now, now that Melo has come out through the back channels and said he only wishes to sign an extension with NY and no one else...TMS said it well on another thread the other day -- would Denver really want to lose their star player for nothing the way PHX did with STAT, the way Toronto did with Bosh, the way Cleveland did with LeBron?? No, off course they wouldn't..Whatever little compensation any of those teams did get in terms of draft picks from Miami wasn't nearly enough or anywhere near equal value...You gotta figure Denver has learned a lesson from that..The Nuggets may not be completely enamoured with our assets but if what Melo has leaked is true, they may not have a choice now..Lose him for nothing or at least get a Danilo Gallinari out of it..I like this lastest development -- it should give Walsh a lot better position to deal from with DEN -- their asking price should come down now accordingly. And you would think it might give us the flexibility to balance out assets in order to make both deals..

So how 'bout it fellas -- when the dust settles, if we come out of this with those 4 guys as the core, is that enough to go all the way? Provided the rest of the roster is rounded out & tweaked properly? Just curious what do you guys think??

i think all u are missing there is a defensive minded starting calibre C... if we make a trade for Melo now we may be able to use our MLE this summer to sign one... plus depending on what we're giving up for Mayo & Melo, if Wilson is not part of either deal we can hold onto him as well this summer, so that leaves u with a great 6th man scorer off the bench to add to that core of players u have listed... w/other guys like Turiaf, Douglas & either Walker or Williams on the bench, that's enough to be a legitimate championship contender IMO.

I say keep Gallo....... Trade Curry Mozgov Chandler Williams AR and Walker get back Melo and Mayo!!

Start Melo @ PF & STAT @ C.......

if we're gonna make a trade for Mayo too, then i would trade Gallo & keep Wilson C in any Melo trade... if we're gonna keep Fields, then it would probably make for better balance to keep Gallo & trade Wilson in any Melo trade... even so, personally i hope we hold onto Fields & Wilson & trade Gallo, AR & any other filler/picks it would take to get Melo to NY... that allows us to keep Wilson this summer & have a very nice team going forward... basically you'd just be replacing Gallo with Melo in the current rotation, which would be a huge upgrade any way you wanna look at it.

Except on defense. Gallo already plays better defense. My problem with above lie up is also defense. If we trade Gallo for Melo I would say no to Mayo. We don't need to me first ball hogs on the team again.

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12/13/2010  9:33 PM
misterearl wrote:
martin wrote:Insofar as I know, that's a nice fantasy team but one that hardly plays defense. Pass.

I am thinking about the teams that Donnie has built in Indy and they are big, strong and defensive minded. Don't think he would take the Knicks in your direction.

what martin said

Pass. Unless finestrgs' buddy is Donnie Walsh his smallish (mayo is 6'4) core desperately misses the intelligence and energy of Fields, the shrieking girls every time Gallo raises for a three ... and the rebounding and astounding of The Mayor.

No thank you.

Free Mozgov and Anthony Randolph from the pine.

Thank you Misterearl. Look at what these guys would consign us to! A flash in the pan, while giving away our core. Fools Gold. Leave it in Donnie's hands, please

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12/13/2010  11:19 PM
Mayo and Melo? No thanks, bro. That's a lame team, they wouldn't be about anything team oriented and they would quickly fall apart and be at each others throats.
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12/14/2010  9:38 AM
orangeblobman wrote:Mayo and Melo? No thanks, bro. That's a lame team, they wouldn't be about anything team oriented and they would quickly fall apart and be at each others throats.

ditto

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12/14/2010  9:53 AM
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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12/14/2010  10:37 AM
keep chandler over Gallo

20.4 ppg
51 fg%
42.7 3p%
86.2 ft%
6.4 rpg
2.2 apg
1 to
1.8 bpg
.7 spg

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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12/14/2010  11:44 AM
"basically you'd just be replacing Gallo with Melo in the current rotation, which would be a huge upgrade any way you wanna look at it."

Many disagree that Melo is worth his huge cost premium over Gallo. Why isn't that one way to look at it in which Melo isn't a huge upgrade over Gallo. Here are some more. Gallo in his second year hasn't yet displayed his full potential. He is going to get significantly better imo. Gallo's points per shot attempted are a little less than 50% higher than Melo's points per shot attempted. Gallo's defense is better and Gallo is also the better passer and also very importantly the more unselfish passer. Finally in sports flexibility to score in different ways, makes intelligent defense far more difficult. Spreading the floor and having 5 real alternatives to take the next shot helps to insure that Amare gets doubled less often. I think adding Chandler instead of Turiaf, has a lot to do with Amare's 8 straight 30+ point games. Who can you afford to leave open in order to double Amare?

I don't get "Which would be a huge upgrade any way you want to look at it?"

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12/14/2010  11:59 AM
I believe we need one more back up PG, preferably with playoff experience who can bridge the minutes between Felton and TD. We could also use a cheap veteran big man who will clog the middle and isn't expected to do more than rebound. I want to see AR and Mosgov stay but I get the feeling that one of them will be gone by the end of the season, that would be the time to get another big man.
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12/14/2010  12:00 PM
the real question is how good is this core:
Felton/Amare/Gallo/Chandler/Fields and how good a bench supporting cast is AR/Turiaf/Mos/Douglas and how good can they be?
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
How good is this core?

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