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cheers
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12/9/2010  4:38 PM
the strength of his offensive games looks to be lightening fast breaks to me. just think he would not fit the flow of this winning knicks squad.

i dont want amar'e to need to adjust to iggy's speed and blow his knees out by playoffs. every player needs to be on page amar'e (the way felton is). melo's tempo is a perfect fit for amar'e. if ny does not get melo by deadline, no iggy.

plus i do feel iggy does play like a point-forward; which may diminish felton's role when felton/amar'e/iggy are on the same court together. i dont want felton to feel he has to defer to iggy because ai makes nearly twice his yearly salary.

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12/9/2010  4:50 PM
i don't think there's any real chance Iggy would be the one orchestrating fulltime if we ever made a trade for him... Felton has carved out his niche as the leader on this team already among the guards... anyway, there's no harm in adding a guy that can handle the ball... we are, afterall, trying to figure out who can run the offense when Felton isn't on the floor, aren't we?

as for the pace at which he plays, if Iggy can't succeed in MDA's SSOL system, what system can he succeed in? this system is built on fast pace & uptempo... having a defensive guy like Iggy on the perimeter makes for more fastbreak opps for him & Felton together... Felton is money on the fastbreak too... Amare won't necessarily have to keep up with those guys when they're running for us to get easy baskets, & even if he does, he's still 1 of the best running bigmen in the NBA.

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12/9/2010  4:56 PM
TMS wrote:i don't think there's any real chance Iggy would be the one orchestrating fulltime if we ever made a trade for him... Felton has carved out his niche as the leader on this team already among the guards... anyway, there's no harm in adding a guy that can handle the ball... we are, afterall, trying to figure out who can run the offense when Felton isn't on the floor, aren't we?

as for the pace at which he plays, if Iggy can't succeed in MDA's SSOL system, what system can he succeed in? this system is built on fast pace & uptempo... having a defensive guy like Iggy on the perimeter makes for more fastbreak opps for him & Felton together... Felton is money on the fastbreak too... Amare won't necessarily have to keep up with those guys when they're running for us to get easy baskets, & even if he does, he's still 1 of the best running bigmen in the NBA.

Yeah Amar'e can easily follow up right behind the guards on a fastbreak. He's a big and doesn't have to be out in front. He'll just clean up any misses. I see no real issues with regard to pace. We play about as fast as a team can play already.
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12/9/2010  4:57 PM
I kinda agree with cheers. I don't think Iggy does much to make the team better and he's probably going to be costly. I could see Iggy taking a lot of minutes from Fields and, frankly, I want Landry on the court as much as possible. As good as Amar'e and Felton have been, Fields is probably a close third in the running for team MVP. If we're not getting a star SF, it's best to focus on improving at the positions we need it: center, and backup PG.
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12/9/2010  5:03 PM
Andre Iguodala? Are you guys serious?

Dude is trash.

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12/9/2010  5:07 PM
he's a very good player and one of the most underrated in the league. his best talents isn't scoring however so people tend to underrate him. that and he's basically had really bad players on his teams so they keep losing.

he's a top notch perimeter defender. he creates well off the dribble and can finish really well. on top of that he has good shot selection and won't try to force things. he's a bad 3pt shooter and even out to 20 ft so that's one of his weaknesses which don't really mesh too well.

basically he shoots about as well as carmelo but not able to score in the myriad of ways that melo does while being superior in every other facet of the game. if it came down to it iggy is about on par with melo as far as who would get more wins to this team.

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12/9/2010  5:16 PM
Iggy can be our second string point (as a point forward), a capable third option, and can play the 2, 3, or 4. He's an elite defender. He was good enough to be a key starter to the World Championship team. He's a very talented player, that has been asked to be Philadelphia's best player for a lot of years. He'd be asked to the third option here. I think he is the perfect fit if you don't want to alter the lineup too much. I think the Knicks would have a shot at the ECF with Amar'e, Felton, and Iggy as the top three, with Gallo thrown into the mix. I think Felton has earned the right to stick around for a longer time than contracted. We're all hoping Chandler can basically turn into Iggy, and he's likely gone no matter what. If the Knicks don't think they can sign Melo in free agency then I do think the Knicks can get Iggy on the cheap, I think he's a hell of a player, and I think he has been asked to do too much for a ****ty Philly team
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12/9/2010  5:23 PM
I didn't know Iggy Pop played basketball.
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12/9/2010  5:25 PM
He's very underrated. But the problem is his contract imo.

$12M
$13M
$14M
$15M

That's a high price to pay imo. Especially when Fields could be Iggy-lite or even better in the future.

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12/9/2010  5:25 PM
BasketballJones wrote:I didn't know Iggy Pop played basketball.

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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12/9/2010  5:50 PM
scoshin wrote:He's very underrated. But the problem is his contract imo.

$12M
$13M
$14M
$15M

That's a high price to pay imo. Especially when Fields could be Iggy-lite or even better in the future.

Exactly. What can Iggy do that the combination of Chandler and Fields cannot do and we can resign Chandler for about $7-$9 million per season.

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12/9/2010  5:58 PM
TheGame wrote:
scoshin wrote:He's very underrated. But the problem is his contract imo.

$12M
$13M
$14M
$15M

That's a high price to pay imo. Especially when Fields could be Iggy-lite or even better in the future.

Exactly. What can Iggy do that the combination of Chandler and Fields cannot do and we can resign Chandler for about $7-$9 million per season.

(1) he's an elite defender and (2) he can run point forward. Maybe the two of them can develop those aspects to their game but neither are there yet.

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12/9/2010  5:58 PM
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12/9/2010  6:02 PM
Solace wrote:I kinda agree with cheers. I don't think Iggy does much to make the team better and he's probably going to be costly. I could see Iggy taking a lot of minutes from Fields and, frankly, I want Landry on the court as much as possible. As good as Amar'e and Felton have been, Fields is probably a close third in the running for team MVP. If we're not getting a star SF, it's best to focus on improving at the positions we need it: center, and backup PG.

i would only consider Iggy if we miss out on Melo... i don't consider him our #1 target at all, just a worthy plan B if it comes to it.

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12/9/2010  6:40 PM
TMS wrote:
Solace wrote:I kinda agree with cheers. I don't think Iggy does much to make the team better and he's probably going to be costly. I could see Iggy taking a lot of minutes from Fields and, frankly, I want Landry on the court as much as possible. As good as Amar'e and Felton have been, Fields is probably a close third in the running for team MVP. If we're not getting a star SF, it's best to focus on improving at the positions we need it: center, and backup PG.

i would only consider Iggy if we miss out on Melo... i don't consider him our #1 target at all, just a worthy plan B if it comes to it.

we've been doin all right with plan b's

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12/9/2010  7:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/9/2010  7:15 PM
TMS wrote:
Solace wrote:I kinda agree with cheers. I don't think Iggy does much to make the team better and he's probably going to be costly. I could see Iggy taking a lot of minutes from Fields and, frankly, I want Landry on the court as much as possible. As good as Amar'e and Felton have been, Fields is probably a close third in the running for team MVP. If we're not getting a star SF, it's best to focus on improving at the positions we need it: center, and backup PG.

i would only consider Iggy if we miss out on Melo... i don't consider him our #1 target at all, just a worthy plan B if it comes to it.

Eh, if we strike out on Melo, I still think our best move is to use our cap space on a legit center. There are some good and affordable ones hitting the market this summer -- Gasol, Tyson, Dalembert...and they should come at a price range where we can still resign Chandler.

Once we get the C, I think then we should look to see if we can combine enough contracts/assets to pull off an Iggy trade. e.g. a resigned Chandler + Mozgov maybe?

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12/9/2010  7:29 PM
Good player and he would fit the system well but his contract would really hamper our flexibility. Have to be extremely careful with the remaining cap and I don't think Iggy is the guy that entrenches this team into contender status (especially when we have Fields on a rookie contract giving us good production at the 2).
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12/9/2010  10:10 PM
I am watching the sixers right now.. iggy is throwing up trash.. he is a great finisher, good defender, not special at anything else it seems...
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12/9/2010  10:23 PM
scoshin wrote:He's very underrated. But the problem is his contract imo.

$12M
$13M
$14M
$15M

That's a high price to pay imo. Especially when Fields could be Iggy-lite or even better in the future.

I agree. I also think committing that kind of money to him means you feel that he is the guy that can put the team over the top because that salary handcuffs the Knicks for future moves. There are a lot of good things about the Knicks right now. I think Walsh has to be really careful what stars he chases and what he gives up to get them.
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12/9/2010  10:50 PM
I would hope Donnie would never use our cheap, talented forwards to trade for an expensive, talented forward.
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dont need dont want iggy

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