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fishmike
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12/8/2010  3:09 PM
In games in which Gallinari hits more than one three-pointer, the Knicks are 12–3. When he hits one or none, they're 1–6.

Is that just a small sampling or an indication of how important the spacing he creates is????

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12/8/2010  3:21 PM
yea... good find.. at some point, the importance of gallo becomes just more than "homer talk", not only does he space the floor, but he is a ball mover.. He may not get the assist, but he often is that pass before the pass that leads to thge assist...
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12/8/2010  3:23 PM
tkf wrote:yea... good find.. at some point, the importance of gallo becomes just more than "homer talk", not only does he space the floor, but he is a ball mover.. He may not get the assist, but he often is that pass before the pass that leads to thge assist...

agree... Fields is the same way. He will drive and kick with a nice crisp pass that eventually finds and open man.
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12/8/2010  3:39 PM
During the first 17 games, Gallo hit more than 1 three pointer only 8 times.
During this stretch the team lost 11 games. Including 4 of the 8 games where he hit more than 1 three pointer.
I think its a statistical smoke screen. Look hard enough at numbers and you can "prove" anything you want with them.
Knicks also lost 3 out of 4 times he made 2 three pointers in that stretch. What does that prove?
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12/8/2010  3:40 PM
This is basically the same post as when I was stating he shoots 22% (worse than the other wing gunners in the league) in our losses. I take that to mean that he essentially prevents us from winning when he shoots terribly.

You guys seems to take it the other way; that we win because he's making shots.

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12/8/2010  3:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/8/2010  3:55 PM
Seriously?

Interesting stat. When I take my umbrella to work it usually rains. I control the weather.

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12/8/2010  4:01 PM
all I know is I wanna see Gallo be more assertive. Don't mean he has to shoot a millions times, but I just dont want to see him settle for the easy 3 point shot when there are better options.

Gotta impose his will more.

Of course the knock on Chandler was just that over the past 2 years: that he floats during games, and viola, this year he is a LOT more assertive.

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12/8/2010  4:03 PM
martin wrote:all I know is I wanna see Gallo be more assertive. Don't mean he has to shoot a millions times, but I just dont want to see him settle for the easy 3 point shot when there are better options.

Gotta impose his will more.

Of course the knock on Chandler was just that over the past 2 years: that he floats during games, and viola, this year he is a LOT more assertive.

Contract year. Chandler thinking about that next contract.

Gallo putting the ball on the floor has not been pretty. Team realize if you stay down he will miss because he is usually out of control when he drives.

Gallo needs to work on his midrange game but that is something you do in the summer not during the season.

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12/8/2010  4:05 PM
These isolated stats really never have any correlation to W's and L's.

Everyone can dissect individual stats like these, or even set the criteria to favor their argument (why make the threshold at only 1 3-pter for example?). I'm sure someone can parse the past 20 games to learn that when the team has X number of team assists, we win a lot, and when we have less than X team assists, our record is awful. "Clearly playing a team game is key to winning!!1!" Or when our 3-pt% is over 40% we win, but when our 3-pt% shooting is below 30%, we lose. Clearly then we are a team that lives and dies by the three.

All these stats really tell us is that the Knicks, as a whole and individually, play better in wins. Shocker.

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12/8/2010  4:25 PM
Great thread, great find. That is exactly what it is, it's an indication of the danger he poses to enemy teams, it shows how much effort the enemy squads have to expend to keep him in check.

Not everything is in the numbers, Gallo contributes even when you don't think he's contributing.

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12/8/2010  5:37 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:This is basically the same post as when I was stating he shoots 22% (worse than the other wing gunners in the league) in our losses. I take that to mean that he essentially prevents us from winning when he shoots terribly.

You guys seems to take it the other way; that we win because he's making shots.

I think its a *factor* both ways. We clearly rely on space for our offense. We are among league leaders in point in the paint, FT attempts and #2 in PPS (point per possession).

Panos I agree about the #s smokescreen. If Gallo hits his first 2 3's does that mean we win???

I think these types of #s do emphasize how important the outside shooting is to our total offense, and Gallo is the key guy to that attack, or certainly relied on to be the most consistant

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12/8/2010  6:05 PM
i think it just shows that we're a better team when gallo is contributing on offense.

he averages something like 17ppg in wins and 11ppg in losses (the difference of those two three pointers, i guess...)

it is wild. two of the three games he hit two threes and we lost in were the sixers game and the first minnesota game... aka games they should have won.

i guess he does create important spacing for the team. just proves he needs to be aggressive and shoot (and mix in the drive).

on monday night against minny, gallo did something i've rarely seen him do - fake a three, drive, get cut off and create his own mid-range jumpshot. it was an impressive move. if he can add that to his arsenal, he gets even harder to guard.

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12/8/2010  6:09 PM
crzymdups wrote:i think it just shows that we're a better team when gallo is contributing on offense.

he averages something like 17ppg in wins and 11ppg in losses (the difference of those two three pointers, i guess...)

it is wild. two of the three games he hit two threes and we lost in were the sixers game and the first minnesota game... aka games they should have won.

i guess he does create important spacing for the team. just proves he needs to be aggressive and shoot (and mix in the drive).

on monday night against minny, gallo did something i've rarely seen him do - fake a three, drive, get cut off and create his own mid-range jumpshot. it was an impressive move. if he can add that to his arsenal, he gets even harder to guard.

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Look at the on the court off the court #s. Only Fields has a better +/- than Gallo. Knicks are better with him and it goes beyond the #s
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12/8/2010  6:53 PM
Gallo drives, good things happen. Don't be so biased that you can't admit that he help to spread the floor, move the ball, plays smart D, and just generally plays good BB. When he hits shots, it scares teams. They don't want him to get hot and go off. He's too big to really stop from hitting shots if he wants to and that is a scary proposition for opposing teams. What can you do about a guy that can stand a few feet behind the 3pt line and hit shots? NOTHING. SO if Gallo hits shots it does really help us, cuz then you can have his man go inside and help on Amare and Felton. The more that Chan is hitting shots it's also doing the same thing. He wasn't hitting as much, but lately he's been killing from the corners. That shorter 3 is perfect for him. Add Shane and all of a sudden teams don't have an effective way to stop us, cuz you can't really stop Amar'e dominant inside game AND stop 3's as well.

We haven't been able to see how Mike's system works with the right kinds of players. Now that we have Amar'e/Felton it helps the shooters and vice versa. This is why i'm excited by the addition of Shane and maybe one day we get AZ and Rautins in the mix a little too. We have shooting, which was a concern in the past. Gallo is the guy that has the rep tho, and when he's on teams will never feel comfortable sending his man to help.

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12/9/2010  7:47 AM
speaking about wild gallo, the way he moves chasing after players on defense and attacking the paint on offense, has often reminded me of drunkenstyle-kungfu. funny but effective.

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12/9/2010  9:40 AM
My big issue with Gallo remains shot selection. That 3 he took last night when we were up 3 w/ something like 1 min. left was just stupid and almost cost us the game. We obviously didn't need a 3. Amare was going absolutely nuts. We had to work the ball through him. Gallo wanted to be a hero, but a 3 was no better than a 2 in that situation.

It's true he sometimes is out of control going to the hole, but he draws lots of fouls, makes some tough shots and gets some lay-ups. Still much better for him to drive or pass most of the time and take 3's only when he's open and not rushed. He hits some of those quick release 3's when he's not really open and some of the step-back 3's too, but not at a high enough %.

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12/9/2010  10:01 AM
bernard wrote:My big issue with Gallo remains shot selection. That 3 he took last night when we were up 3 w/ something like 1 min. left was just stupid and almost cost us the game. We obviously didn't need a 3. Amare was going absolutely nuts. We had to work the ball through him. Gallo wanted to be a hero, but a 3 was no better than a 2 in that situation.

It's true he sometimes is out of control going to the hole, but he draws lots of fouls, makes some tough shots and gets some lay-ups. Still much better for him to drive or pass most of the time and take 3's only when he's open and not rushed. He hits some of those quick release 3's when he's not really open and some of the step-back 3's too, but not at a high enough %.

He was more assertive going to the basket during the first half, I think...more passive the second half, when I seem to recall he took most of his 3s.

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12/9/2010  10:05 AM
cheers wrote:speaking about wild gallo, the way he moves chasing after players on defense and attacking the paint on offense, has often reminded me of drunkenstyle-kungfu. funny but effective.

If you watch our games when he is on D, look at how many times he gets his hands on the ball when he is in a 1/1 situation. He actually has pretty quick hands for a 6'10"+ player- more like those of a guard-and he gets his on the ball with some frequency.

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12/9/2010  10:08 AM
Last nite the Raptors broadcasters (actually pretty good) said he does not drive to the basket then reeled off a bunch in the first half. In the second they gave him more room and he shot from out side.

He took 9 foul shots last nite. I assume a passive player does not shoot that much!

Knicks are winning more, he collects a high rate of fouls. He just needs to hit a few more jumpers per game.

He hit a big shot last nite. Dude is clutch.

We expect the world from him but he is more advanced than last year and doing it on a better team. Last nite Gallo was far more agressive than Wilson.

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12/9/2010  10:12 AM
nixluva wrote:Gallo drives, good things happen.

I agree. His 3 pt shot has looked much better since he started taking it to the rim more consistently. More confidence.

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