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alau53
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12/5/2010  3:40 PM
in 2010 draft..
would they have drafted rautins or fields?
rautins was drafted one pick ahead of landry but since the knicks had back to back choices it may not mattered..so who do you think would have been their guy..
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alau53 wrote:in 2010 draft..
would they have drafted rautins or fields?
rautins was drafted one pick ahead of landry but since the knicks had back to back choices it may not mattered..so who do you think would have been their guy..

I think this is silly. When you have consecutive picks, the order doesn't matter. They knew they were getting both. Also, I believe there is a slight salary difference between the two slots. If anything, you could say this means they thought Landry had a better chance of sticking around longer, so they wanted to lock him in at the lower salary.

According to Hoopshype, Fields is making $473,604 this season, while Rautins is making $600,000.

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12/5/2010  4:56 PM
this would be a good question for donnie..he usually gives an honest answer
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12/5/2010  5:20 PM
Solace wrote:
alau53 wrote:in 2010 draft..
would they have drafted rautins or fields?
rautins was drafted one pick ahead of landry but since the knicks had back to back choices it may not mattered..so who do you think would have been their guy..

I think this is silly. When you have consecutive picks, the order doesn't matter. They knew they were getting both. Also, I believe there is a slight salary difference between the two slots. If anything, you could say this means they thought Landry had a better chance of sticking around longer, so they wanted to lock him in at the lower salary.

According to Hoopshype, Fields is making $473,604 this season, while Rautins is making $600,000.

So you are saying Walsh would have taken Fields?

A legitimate topic for discussion, but Walsh would probably say what you said- that they had consecutive picks, and the question is a speculative one that he is not going to address.

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12/5/2010  5:27 PM
Paladin55 wrote:
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alau53 wrote:in 2010 draft..
would they have drafted rautins or fields?
rautins was drafted one pick ahead of landry but since the knicks had back to back choices it may not mattered..so who do you think would have been their guy..

I think this is silly. When you have consecutive picks, the order doesn't matter. They knew they were getting both. Also, I believe there is a slight salary difference between the two slots. If anything, you could say this means they thought Landry had a better chance of sticking around longer, so they wanted to lock him in at the lower salary.

According to Hoopshype, Fields is making $473,604 this season, while Rautins is making $600,000.

So you are saying Walsh would have taken Fields?

A legitimate topic for discussion, but Walsh would probably say what you said- that they had consecutive picks, and the question is a speculative one that he is not going to address.

In my opinion, yes. I think we only took a shooter, in Rautins, because we had two picks.

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12/5/2010  5:40 PM
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Paladin55 wrote:
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alau53 wrote:in 2010 draft..
would they have drafted rautins or fields?
rautins was drafted one pick ahead of landry but since the knicks had back to back choices it may not mattered..so who do you think would have been their guy..

I think this is silly. When you have consecutive picks, the order doesn't matter. They knew they were getting both. Also, I believe there is a slight salary difference between the two slots. If anything, you could say this means they thought Landry had a better chance of sticking around longer, so they wanted to lock him in at the lower salary.

According to Hoopshype, Fields is making $473,604 this season, while Rautins is making $600,000.

So you are saying Walsh would have taken Fields?

A legitimate topic for discussion, but Walsh would probably say what you said- that they had consecutive picks, and the question is a speculative one that he is not going to address.

In my opinion, yes. I think we only took a shooter, in Rautins, because we had two picks.


I think that Rautins was MDA's pick- I really believe that he thinks Rautins can become a kind of poor man's Nash.

Fields in not a big man, which makes me wonder if Walsh was the guy with a crush on him. I expect that there were some scouts who really pushed for him and got him into the door, where he then impressed everyone.

I seem to recall them saying that they thought Fields might be a late first round talent, which is at least what he seems to be at this point (and may fit into your theory regarding salaries).

All that matters at this point, though, is that he seems to be the hands down steal of the draft, at least for this year... an we're the ones who have him.

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12/5/2010  5:44 PM
I think they went on record saying Rautins was their first choice of remaining prospects.
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12/5/2010  10:01 PM
Knixkik wrote:I think they went on record saying Rautins was their first choice of remaining prospects.

so if they felt fields was a late 1st rder, did they consider rautins a mid 1st rder..cmon man rautins stinks
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Knixkik wrote:I think they went on record saying Rautins was their first choice of remaining prospects.

Source? You may be right, but I don't remember this.

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12/6/2010  6:31 PM
at least we got lucky with fields even if he was 2nd choice..good thing donnie didnt listen to many of you guys who wanted stevenson or hobson
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Solace wrote:
Knixkik wrote:I think they went on record saying Rautins was their first choice of remaining prospects.

Source? You may be right, but I don't remember this.

I posted this article on UK awhile back. If you haven't read it, it's a good read:

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&id=5784479

But it does mention us having Rautins above Fields on the draft board...so yeah, thank God we had two picks eh? No mention of Hobson being above either.

On draft night, after the first 20 picks, team president Donnie Walsh asked each of the 10 members of the Knicks' scouting department to make a list of the 10 players they felt would be available at picks 30 through 40.

After the 30th pick, Walsh asked the employees for a new list: their top five picks, in order of preference. The votes were tallied, and Andy Rautins of Syracuse (whom New York chose 37th) was first, followed by Fields.

"I wasn't there for his workout, so I said, 'Put on some film,'" Walsh said. "And I watched the film and said 'Wow!' Then I'm reading: 39-inch vertical, averaged 22 points per game, he was top in the Pac-10 in scoring and rebounding, and I said, 'This guy shouldn't be coming all the way down to us.'
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