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Concerned about the amount of PT Amare and Felton are getting.
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thejerk
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12/4/2010  12:29 PM
Because we don't have any big to compliment Amare and our depth at PG is pathetic (we dont have a true backup pg...wtf?) It will be only a matter of time that these two will be burnt out by years end or worse, get injured.

They can not be expected to play over 40 minutes night, we need to make a move soon, or at least by the deadline, you guys have anybody you would like to see run the point for like 10-15 minutes a game? I think Donnie may have envisioned Rautins for this role but so far it looks like all he can do is shoot.

Hopefully Rautins and (dont laugh) Curry can prove something in practice, earn some playing time, and relieve our top two players from the wear and tear.

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12/4/2010  12:31 PM
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12/4/2010  12:34 PM
orangeblobman wrote:Chris Duhon

Maybe...but he would cost to much, any Charlie Ward type players out there for us, solid defense, could run the offense, drive to the hoop, and hit the open jumper once in a while....

Dudu would start off strong then play like shiet towards the end of the season, maybe its because we had no one to spell him either...

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12/4/2010  12:38 PM
such a long season and even longer playoffs-- when you take into account the pressure to be spot-on every game. knicks need breathing room. either in trading for a star or filling the bench. it would be helpful if this can be worked out by trade deadline.

cause if the knicks go pass deadline without helping amar'e and felton. knicks will be needlessly putting on miles to their career speedometer. this is not a year to wear the two captains out. wear 'em out when ny is going balls to wall for a title run.

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12/4/2010  12:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/4/2010  12:43 PM
cheers wrote:such a long season and even longer playoffs-- when you take into account the pressure to be spot-on every game. knicks need breathing room. either in trading for a star or filling the bench. it would be helpful if this can be worked out by trade deadline.

cause if the knicks go pass deadline without helping amar'e and felton. knicks will be needlessly putting on miles to their career speedometer. this is not a year to wear the two captains out. wear 'em out when ny is going balls to wall for a title run.

Your right, we dont need to mess with these two kids careers at this point, plus Amare may have some knee concerns...David Lee would be an ideal backup to Amare and I wish we could have kept him for that role, but unfortunately he is a starter. As for Duhon, I wouldnt mind him being a backup to Raymond, but who's minutes would he take, I am unsure if I would give him TD'S minutes at the moment...

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12/4/2010  12:51 PM
In the summer many of you guys pushed for Livingston, he would be good to have on this squad right now, and we could have picked him up on the cheap...I would definitely give him TD'S minutes.
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12/4/2010  1:22 PM
This is not the lack of personnel but D'Antoni and his crappy rotation.

A big complaint by fans of the Suns was that he barely used his bench and his starters were burned out by playoff time. He's doing the same thing again.

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12/4/2010  1:33 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:This is not the lack of personnel but D'Antoni and his crappy rotation.

A big complaint by fans of the Suns was that he barely used his bench and his starters were burned out by playoff time. He's doing the same thing again.

who replaces stoudemire?

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12/4/2010  1:35 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:This is not the lack of personnel but D'Antoni and his crappy rotation.

A big complaint by fans of the Suns was that he barely used his bench and his starters were burned out by playoff time. He's doing the same thing again.

Turiaf has been in and out of the lineup due to injury. So other than perhaps Randolph, who do you want to see get extra minutes? Eversince Chandler moved into the starting lineup, our bench hasn't produced much.

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12/4/2010  1:38 PM
they need to trust Douglas a little bit more at the Point
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12/4/2010  3:00 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/4/2010  3:01 PM
Elite wrote:they need to trust Douglas a little bit more at the Point

This could work and it would really help us out, problem is he is a second year player being asked to play a position he is not really familiar with at the highest level. This will not happen overnight and that is why there should be a premium on players like Landry who comes into the league and does whatever is asked of him. He is really going to have a good/long career, hopefully it is with the Knicks.

The Knicks should make the playoffs this year, but in all honesty, we are not going to go far. We should try to develop our younger guys, TD, Moz, Gallo, Chandler, etc...while hopefully gaining chemistry and some playoff experience.

Ray and Amare couldnt run the PNR at first, how great was it to see them do it last night (that shiet got me fired up), a little time playing with each other has helped them out tremendously, and this is exactly what this team needs, some time to develop.

I dont know why this team is so stubborn and wont bring in a Earl Baron type player instead of Mason/Walker/Williams because Amare is going to burn out eventually. We have no one on the bench that can handle his minutes other than Chandler but in that scenario we are left without a center (Moz?)

Remember how Nelson spoke of Turiaf, he new exactly what he was giving the Knicks, he said that we could expect no more than 15 minutes a game out of him, we tried to squeeze more and now he is hurt, he might be as injury prone as they come...

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12/4/2010  3:14 PM
I don't see much of a way around the minutes right now unless we just want to throw games. Mike is coaching what he sees on the floor. When he sees the team floundering, he's gonna go back to the guys that can get it done. The schedule this month will have more days off, so it should be ok to go longer with the top guys.

Turiaf had a guy roll up his leg. That had nothing to do with minutes played. That kind of injury could happen to anyone. I'm not saying he's a durable guy, but that injury had a direct cause.

How far we go in the playoffs will depend on our position. I think we can get to the 5/6 spot. So long as we stay out of 7/8 we have a shot to advance.

The young bigs we have are being developed and I think that DW and MDA don't want to bring in someone else but would rather keep working with the kids and get them ready to contribute. I've said this a million times. Most of the improvement in a young players game comes from practice. You can't compare the hours of practice to 10-20 minutes in a game. You perfect your game in practice and then put it to use in games. It doesn't magically appear in games just cuz you get minutes. So AR and Timo have to keep working and when they get it, they'll earn more minutes.

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12/4/2010  3:25 PM
nixluva wrote:I don't see much of a way around the minutes right now unless we just want to throw games. Mike is coaching what he sees on the floor. When he sees the team floundering, he's gonna go back to the guys that can get it done. The schedule this month will have more days off, so it should be ok to go longer with the top guys.

Turiaf had a guy roll up his leg. That had nothing to do with minutes played. That kind of injury could happen to anyone. I'm not saying he's a durable guy, but that injury had a direct cause.

How far we go in the playoffs will depend on our position. I think we can get to the 5/6 spot. So long as we stay out of 7/8 we have a shot to advance.

The young bigs we have are being developed and I think that DW and MDA don't want to bring in someone else but would rather keep working with the kids and get them ready to contribute. I've said this a million times. Most of the improvement in a young players game comes from practice. You can't compare the hours of practice to 10-20 minutes in a game. You perfect your game in practice and then put it to use in games. It doesn't magically appear in games just cuz you get minutes. So AR and Timo have to keep working and when they get it, they'll earn more minutes.

Well said, this is why I hope we can snatch up Melo in the summer time, I am sick and tired of players coming and going, dont get me wrong I want to fine tune the two positions already mentioned here, but we have a nice core group and we should try to add pieces to it, whether free agency (MLE eventually) or the draft.

Dont get me wrong, I would make a move for Melo (even though he shot like shiet yesterday) but I wouldnt give up any more than two of the usual suspects mentioned on this site...we will see by the deadline because we all know how fast things can change, especially if we are in a nice little losing streak...

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12/4/2010  3:30 PM
Elite wrote:they need to trust Douglas a little bit more at the Point

Trust him to make awful decisions and take bad shots? Both of those put together totally outweighed his scoring and defense. That's how bad his decision making was. You might not always see it in the stat sheet either. There were some plays where he'd throw a bad pass to Amar'e in traffic which would cause him to bobble it and eventually HE would get the TO. Plays like that.

He's not worthy of MDAs trust yet.

The people in the rotation are the people who are actually playing well. Not the people MDA favors.

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12/4/2010  3:30 PM
- Put more trust in AR...the only way to develop this kid I feel is to give him meaningful playing time, and not have such a short leash.
- Sign Antonio Daniels or Anthony Johnson or Rafer Alston in FA as backup PG.
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12/4/2010  3:36 PM
scoshin wrote:- Put more trust in AR...the only way to develop this kid I feel is to give him meaningful playing time, and not have such a short leash.
- Sign Antonio Daniels or Anthony Johnson or Rafer Alston in FA as backup PG.

+1 on bringing Rafer here.

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12/4/2010  3:43 PM
scoshin wrote:- Put more trust in AR...the only way to develop this kid I feel is to give him meaningful playing time, and not have such a short leash.
- Sign Antonio Daniels or Anthony Johnson or Rafer Alston in FA as backup PG.

See that's the problem. I think Mike wants to play AR, but I think he can tell that AR hasn't gotten a grasp on what he is doing wrong and what he should be doing out there. AR is thinking so much out there that it's slowing him down and he's not reacting like he used to. He needs to get to the point where he knows EXACTLY what he's trying to do out there. The pace we play at is so fast that you don't have time stand there thinking. The decisions need to be quick and sure.

Any PG help would probably make a big difference, but they might want to keep working with TD rather than bring in someone that would take minutes away. It may not seem like it but the Knicks are being very patient with the guys they have.

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12/4/2010  4:11 PM
scoshin wrote:- Put more trust in AR...the only way to develop this kid I feel is to give him meaningful playing time, and not have such a short leash.
- Sign Antonio Daniels or Anthony Johnson or Rafer Alston in FA as backup PG.

You have to earn playing time, it can't just be handed it to you. AR needs to stop being a bum and get his mind right, get his game up. Until then, he sits. He's a bum. Toney Douglas didn't play at first but worked hard. AR needs to work hard. Lazy bum.

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12/4/2010  5:38 PM
ny does not have the luxury to play stat 40+ minutes, over and over again, remember knicks signed him for five years.

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During the 2005–06 NBA pre-season, knee cartilage damage was discovered and Stoudemire underwent microfracture surgery on October 18, 2005. Initially, the Suns thought he would return by mid-February, but his rehab took longer than expected. Stoudemire, however, made an attempt to return but did not play well, going scoreless against the New Jersey Nets on March 27, 2006. On March 28 it was announced that he would likely miss the rest of the regular season due to ongoing stiffness in both knees.
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12/4/2010  5:52 PM
thejerk wrote:
scoshin wrote:- Put more trust in AR...the only way to develop this kid I feel is to give him meaningful playing time, and not have such a short leash.
- Sign Antonio Daniels or Anthony Johnson or Rafer Alston in FA as backup PG.

+1 on bringing Rafer here.

No way to Rafer Alston. We finally have some good chemsitry amongst the players and some good character guys. We dont need any possible headcases that can interupt the chemistry in the lockerroom.

Concerned about the amount of PT Amare and Felton are getting.

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