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GodSaveTheKnicks
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11/23/2010  1:39 PM
http://www.red94.net/rockets-elite-shot-blocker/4598/

hopefully Hill generates the play him more discussion at every team he's traded to without ever really blossoming.

am i a bad person for wishing that?

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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11/23/2010  1:56 PM
no..but the more the rockets lose the less embarrasing the hill trade looks for donnie
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11/23/2010  2:03 PM
Hill can be a good player. He's big athletic and has some good skills. he showed up out of shape in the summer league and fell out of favor with the staff here. NBA coaches dont have much patience for rookies who dont take it seriously. Look at the other end of the coin w/ Douglas.

Hill's lack of playing time was his fault. Ive seen enough from MDA that the young guys who are in shape and bring it will play (Douglas, Fields, Chandler, Gallo). Darko said himself his benching was his fault. Signs point to Hill's problems in NY starting with Hill. It sucks also, because he made the mgmnt look bad. If he's playing better maybe he gets us real value instead of being a throw in player to clear cap space.

Oh well... water under the bridge. When a guy like Hill leaves the Knicks I usually dont remember they ever existed. I was kind of

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11/23/2010  3:10 PM
If thats the case- we woun't have to swap picks with them for sure.
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11/23/2010  5:13 PM
fishmike wrote:Hill can be a good player. He's big athletic and has some good skills. he showed up out of shape in the summer league and fell out of favor with the staff here. NBA coaches dont have much patience for rookies who dont take it seriously. Look at the other end of the coin w/ Douglas.

Hill's lack of playing time was his fault. Ive seen enough from MDA that the young guys who are in shape and bring it will play (Douglas, Fields, Chandler, Gallo). Darko said himself his benching was his fault. Signs point to Hill's problems in NY starting with Hill. It sucks also, because he made the mgmnt look bad. If he's playing better maybe he gets us real value instead of being a throw in player to clear cap space.

Oh well... water under the bridge. When a guy like Hill leaves the Knicks I usually dont remember they ever existed. I was kind of

blogger did mention he doesn't get more minutes because he misses rotations on D.

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11/23/2010  5:20 PM
JHill doesn't have the court awareness to be an elite player in my mind. He has the athleticism, but not the aggression. I think he'll always be mediocre.

I would trade him again 100 times in a row to give ourselves the shot at signing two max free agents.

The mistake wasn't trading JHill, it was drafting JHill over Jennings.

JHill will never make anyone regret trading him.

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11/23/2010  6:12 PM
crzymdups wrote:

JHill will never make anyone regret trading him.

This statement sums up to whole Jordan Hill experience

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11/24/2010  9:38 AM
Thank goodness Houston sucks this year. We should finish with a better record than them, which means no pick swap. Hopefully, the Knicks can pull another Landry Fields out of the hat and get us another solid player with our mid-teens pick.
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11/24/2010  12:26 PM
crzymdups wrote:JHill doesn't have the court awareness to be an elite player in my mind. He has the athleticism, but not the aggression. I think he'll always be mediocre.

I would trade him again 100 times in a row to give ourselves the shot at signing two max free agents.

The mistake wasn't trading JHill, it was drafting JHill over Jennings.

JHill will never make anyone regret trading him.

the regret was giving up a package of assets that equated to Hill & the rights to 2 future draft picks (1 of them a swap) to clear Fishlips' contract off the books... teams were able to clear salary off their books 6 months later just by giving up a single 1st rounder... we panicked way early instead of waiting out the process & in the meantime possibly raising Jordan Hill's value by giving him regular playing time during a season where our playoff hopes were unrealistic & we had lame duck players on the roster that had absolutely no future here... the whole thing was handled like crap, from the entire scouting process of selecting Hill over Jennings, to how he was handled in NY under MDA, to how he was dumped as fodder in a cap clearing maneuver... no one regrets trading Jordan Hill... u have to consider the entire picture of how it went down, it just leaves a bad taste.

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11/24/2010  12:28 PM
TMS wrote:
crzymdups wrote:JHill doesn't have the court awareness to be an elite player in my mind. He has the athleticism, but not the aggression. I think he'll always be mediocre.

I would trade him again 100 times in a row to give ourselves the shot at signing two max free agents.

The mistake wasn't trading JHill, it was drafting JHill over Jennings.

JHill will never make anyone regret trading him.

the regret was giving up a package of assets that equated to Hill & the rights to 2 future draft picks (1 of them a swap) to clear Fishlips' contract off the books... teams were able to clear salary off their books 6 months later just by giving up a single 1st rounder... we panicked way early instead of waiting out the process & in the meantime possibly raising Jordan Hill's value by giving him regular playing time during a season where our playoff hopes were unrealistic & we had lame duck players on the roster that had absolutely no future here... the whole thing was handled like crap, from the entire scouting process of selecting Hill over Jennings, to how he was handled in NY under MDA, to how he was dumped as fodder in a cap clearing maneuver... no one regrets trading Jordan Hill... u have to consider the entire picture of how it went down, it just leaves a bad taste.

No one regrets trading Mike Sweetney either. Hopefully it doesn't turn out as bad as that trade did.

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11/24/2010  12:41 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
TMS wrote:
crzymdups wrote:JHill doesn't have the court awareness to be an elite player in my mind. He has the athleticism, but not the aggression. I think he'll always be mediocre.

I would trade him again 100 times in a row to give ourselves the shot at signing two max free agents.

The mistake wasn't trading JHill, it was drafting JHill over Jennings.

JHill will never make anyone regret trading him.

the regret was giving up a package of assets that equated to Hill & the rights to 2 future draft picks (1 of them a swap) to clear Fishlips' contract off the books... teams were able to clear salary off their books 6 months later just by giving up a single 1st rounder... we panicked way early instead of waiting out the process & in the meantime possibly raising Jordan Hill's value by giving him regular playing time during a season where our playoff hopes were unrealistic & we had lame duck players on the roster that had absolutely no future here... the whole thing was handled like crap, from the entire scouting process of selecting Hill over Jennings, to how he was handled in NY under MDA, to how he was dumped as fodder in a cap clearing maneuver... no one regrets trading Jordan Hill... u have to consider the entire picture of how it went down, it just leaves a bad taste.

No one regrets trading Mike Sweetney either. Hopefully it doesn't turn out as bad as that trade did.

Bip might have something to say about that but i agree w/u in principle.

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11/24/2010  12:46 PM
TMS wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
TMS wrote:
crzymdups wrote:JHill doesn't have the court awareness to be an elite player in my mind. He has the athleticism, but not the aggression. I think he'll always be mediocre.

I would trade him again 100 times in a row to give ourselves the shot at signing two max free agents.

The mistake wasn't trading JHill, it was drafting JHill over Jennings.

JHill will never make anyone regret trading him.

the regret was giving up a package of assets that equated to Hill & the rights to 2 future draft picks (1 of them a swap) to clear Fishlips' contract off the books... teams were able to clear salary off their books 6 months later just by giving up a single 1st rounder... we panicked way early instead of waiting out the process & in the meantime possibly raising Jordan Hill's value by giving him regular playing time during a season where our playoff hopes were unrealistic & we had lame duck players on the roster that had absolutely no future here... the whole thing was handled like crap, from the entire scouting process of selecting Hill over Jennings, to how he was handled in NY under MDA, to how he was dumped as fodder in a cap clearing maneuver... no one regrets trading Jordan Hill... u have to consider the entire picture of how it went down, it just leaves a bad taste.

No one regrets trading Mike Sweetney either. Hopefully it doesn't turn out as bad as that trade did.

Bip might have something to say about that but i agree w/u in principle.

Sweetney turned into a nobody, but the guy we traded him for ended up putting us in a 10X worse situation.

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11/24/2010  1:52 PM
TMS wrote:
crzymdups wrote:JHill doesn't have the court awareness to be an elite player in my mind. He has the athleticism, but not the aggression. I think he'll always be mediocre.

I would trade him again 100 times in a row to give ourselves the shot at signing two max free agents.

The mistake wasn't trading JHill, it was drafting JHill over Jennings.

JHill will never make anyone regret trading him.

the regret was giving up a package of assets that equated to Hill & the rights to 2 future draft picks (1 of them a swap) to clear Fishlips' contract off the books... teams were able to clear salary off their books 6 months later just by giving up a single 1st rounder... we panicked way early instead of waiting out the process & in the meantime possibly raising Jordan Hill's value by giving him regular playing time during a season where our playoff hopes were unrealistic & we had lame duck players on the roster that had absolutely no future here... the whole thing was handled like crap, from the entire scouting process of selecting Hill over Jennings, to how he was handled in NY under MDA, to how he was dumped as fodder in a cap clearing maneuver... no one regrets trading Jordan Hill... u have to consider the entire picture of how it went down, it just leaves a bad taste.

yes, i'm aware of your stance on that trade. you've repeated it many times. i completely disagree with your stance.

i think without that trade we have likely have no amare (was he really coming here to play next to jeffries if we had no cap room to add anyone else? (you are kidding yourself if you think the answer is yes)) and no felton and nothing in return for david lee - i'm glad we made it.

i would make the trade 100 times in a row.

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11/24/2010  1:56 PM
crzymdups wrote:
TMS wrote:
crzymdups wrote:JHill doesn't have the court awareness to be an elite player in my mind. He has the athleticism, but not the aggression. I think he'll always be mediocre.

I would trade him again 100 times in a row to give ourselves the shot at signing two max free agents.

The mistake wasn't trading JHill, it was drafting JHill over Jennings.

JHill will never make anyone regret trading him.

the regret was giving up a package of assets that equated to Hill & the rights to 2 future draft picks (1 of them a swap) to clear Fishlips' contract off the books... teams were able to clear salary off their books 6 months later just by giving up a single 1st rounder... we panicked way early instead of waiting out the process & in the meantime possibly raising Jordan Hill's value by giving him regular playing time during a season where our playoff hopes were unrealistic & we had lame duck players on the roster that had absolutely no future here... the whole thing was handled like crap, from the entire scouting process of selecting Hill over Jennings, to how he was handled in NY under MDA, to how he was dumped as fodder in a cap clearing maneuver... no one regrets trading Jordan Hill... u have to consider the entire picture of how it went down, it just leaves a bad taste.

yes, i'm aware of your stance on that trade. you've repeated it many times. i completely disagree with your stance.

i think without that trade we have likely have no amare (was he really coming here to play next to jeffries if we had no cap room to add anyone else? (you are kidding yourself if you think the answer is yes)) and no felton and nothing in return for david lee - i'm glad we made it.

i would make the trade 100 times in a row.

been voicing my stance on the trade as many times as you've been regurgitating the same old stuff about supporting it. & don't tell me Amare isn't coming here if we hadn't made that trade, that's ridiculous speculation on your part... the trades that made Amare's signing w/NY possible were the Zach & Jamal trades... i was in full support of both those moves.

i would wait on making the trade 1000000 times in a row & seeing what my options were during 1 of the busiest offseasons of trade moves in recent memory.

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11/24/2010  2:05 PM
To me, we replaced Jhill with Moz.

Moz has showed me much more in this YOUNG season then JHill did in his time here.

Both had to adjust to a faster game from which they came from.

Moz will still take two seasons to fully acclimate. Then we can decide. Same for Hill I suppose.

Book is still open for both.
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11/24/2010  3:00 PM
i look forward to ripping off the jordan hill scabs 3 seasons from now once we have a better idea of what was given up
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11/24/2010  3:03 PM
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:i look forward to ripping off the jordan hill scabs 3 seasons from now once we have a better idea of what was given up

The team still has scars from the last it swapped and gave up a first round pick.
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11/24/2010  3:05 PM
crzymdups wrote:
TMS wrote:
crzymdups wrote:JHill doesn't have the court awareness to be an elite player in my mind. He has the athleticism, but not the aggression. I think he'll always be mediocre.

I would trade him again 100 times in a row to give ourselves the shot at signing two max free agents.

The mistake wasn't trading JHill, it was drafting JHill over Jennings.

JHill will never make anyone regret trading him.

the regret was giving up a package of assets that equated to Hill & the rights to 2 future draft picks (1 of them a swap) to clear Fishlips' contract off the books... teams were able to clear salary off their books 6 months later just by giving up a single 1st rounder... we panicked way early instead of waiting out the process & in the meantime possibly raising Jordan Hill's value by giving him regular playing time during a season where our playoff hopes were unrealistic & we had lame duck players on the roster that had absolutely no future here... the whole thing was handled like crap, from the entire scouting process of selecting Hill over Jennings, to how he was handled in NY under MDA, to how he was dumped as fodder in a cap clearing maneuver... no one regrets trading Jordan Hill... u have to consider the entire picture of how it went down, it just leaves a bad taste.

yes, i'm aware of your stance on that trade. you've repeated it many times. i completely disagree with your stance.

i think without that trade we have likely have no amare (was he really coming here to play next to jeffries if we had no cap room to add anyone else? (you are kidding yourself if you think the answer is yes)) and no felton and nothing in return for david lee - i'm glad we made it.

i would make the trade 100 times in a row.

I agree......

Not to mention that we gambled on T mac and Sergio ..... Miami and the Bulls threw players away.

Your telling me Bulls wouldn,t be better with Hinrich and the 18th pick right now?
Or You think Miami couldn't use Beasley?.....

Hill wouldn't play on this team.... Not to mention makes over 4 mil a year ( Turiaf Money BTW )
And we get rid of Jeffries and his 7 million this year...... Thats Felton's money folks...

The thing that bugs me the most is people saying we panicked when we didn't only not panick
we started a trend that everyone else in the NBA followed and Really came out second best only
to Miami.....

If Bron would of Joined Amare instead of Felton we probably be undefeated as we speak.....

We also of all the teams in the sweepstakes are in the best position again this summer....
And we get to keep our pick as Houston is in a Worse position thx to the trade.

Jeffries for them is like Curry for us imagine if we still had both?

KNICKS on the way UP!!!
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11/24/2010  3:45 PM
The point of that trade was to get a shot at LeBron. We took our shot and didn't make it. But we had to take it. To have a decent shot at a top 3 player and not take it would have been criminal.
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