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Without Udonis Haslem The Heat Suddenly Have Matchup Issues With Our New Knicks
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misterearl
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11/22/2010  8:55 PM
"We lose a warrior," coach Erik Spoelstra said.

In the short term, the Heat plan to give more minutes to Juwan Howard at the spot backing up starting power forward Chris Bosh. LeBron James and James Jones will be used at that position as well in certain situations, Spoelstra said.

"There's no replacement for UD. We all know that," James said.

Haslem was averaging 8 rebounds a game and playing significant minutes (28 per) behind the three mercs.

Follow the bouncing ball.

Stat (23.1) counterbalances Lebron's (23.4) production. Lebron is already moaning about too many minutes (37 per) so the load just got heavier as someone needs to pick up the rebounding slack.

Gallo (16.7 with a bullet) can match Bosh (17.1) hoop for hoop, or better. Ray Felton (17.5) is not DWade (22.9) but who is?

Now here is the best part. Watch what happens when our second line gets to work:

Ilgauskas or Mozgov/ Turiaf? Fear the beard. Pass the Russian caviar as Mozgov recovers from jet lag.

Arroyo (6 avg), James Jones (9) and Eddie (didn't we drop him?) House avg 8pts per... or the dependable trio of Landry Fields (10), Wilson Chandler (16) and Toney Douglas (11)?

Jerry Stackhouse or Bill Walker? Get real. Mister Bill dunks on him all night long.

Juwan Howard? The Answer Man thought he was dead.

You heard it here first.

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11/22/2010  9:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/22/2010  9:08 PM
The Knicks have had bad losses to Philadelphia, Golden State, Minnesota, and Houston.

I ain't worried about the Heat. Sure, we can take 1 regular season game, but it's not possible right now for a 7 game series.

You need to beat the teams you're suppoesd to beat before analyzing how to beat a good team without one of their role players.

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11/22/2010  9:12 PM
JrZyHuStLa - does your wife beat you?

I'm jus sayin.

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11/22/2010  9:12 PM
You're the most immature 76 year old I know.
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11/22/2010  9:35 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/22/2010  9:37 PM
JrZyHuStLa - Have we met?

If immaturity is equated to a random burst of optimism, or a fist bump as our yoots take baby steps right before our disbelievin' eyes...

... or the sheer enjoyment of watching Knicks basketball for the sake of watching Knicks basketball...

(not the eternal Debbie Downer dread, hindsight, gnashing of teeth and hand-wringing of things going wrong)

If immaturity is equated to having a permanent grin on my orange and blue game face because I had the chance to watch a run with Bernard King, meet Patrick Ewing, play tennis with Rory Sparrow, talk "no layups" defense with Oak, watch Ray Williams at the UofM... or own a pair of the same adidas clamshell kicks worn by Dave DeBusschere... then yes sir, you are correct, I am immature.

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11/22/2010  9:40 PM
Some call it "hindsight." Others might call it "wisdom gained."
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11/22/2010  9:46 PM
They're going to sign Erick Dampier.
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11/22/2010  11:17 PM
By the end of the season I don't think there will be that much of a gap between the Heat and Knicks as their seems to be right now. I see our team getting stronger as the season moves along. We too have to be concerned with injuries, but even with Haslem I felt that we could compete fairly well.

The Heat have tremendous talent no doubt, but it's not insurmountable. They have depth issues and good D can slow down what they try to do. We have more size, depth and a fair amount of athleticism to match up with them. We probably still lose in a series, but it won't be a cakewalk.

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11/22/2010  11:32 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:They're going to sign Erick Dampier.

Even 5yrs ago that wouldn't have helped them much. Now it's just laughable. Can he guard PGs? Because no one else on the Heat can.

I can't see Riley letting Spolestra last until the big Christmas game against the Lakers. If they get embarassed by the Lakers, things might get ugly in South Beach.

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11/22/2010  11:33 PM
nixluva wrote:By the end of the season I don't think there will be that much of a gap between the Heat and Knicks as their seems to be right now. I see our team getting stronger as the season moves along. We too have to be concerned with injuries, but even with Haslem I felt that we could compete fairly well.

The Heat have tremendous talent no doubt, but it's not insurmountable. They have depth issues and good D can slow down what they try to do. We have more size, depth and a fair amount of athleticism to match up with them. We probably still lose in a series, but it won't be a cakewalk.

Let's be real for a second - we've let Blake Griffin and Monta Ellis score 40 a piece on us.

The Heat may be a mediocre basketball team, but Lebron and Wade and Bosh will score at will against the pinball wizard defense of D'Antoni

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11/22/2010  11:48 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/22/2010  11:48 PM
crzymdups wrote:
nixluva wrote:By the end of the season I don't think there will be that much of a gap between the Heat and Knicks as their seems to be right now. I see our team getting stronger as the season moves along. We too have to be concerned with injuries, but even with Haslem I felt that we could compete fairly well.

The Heat have tremendous talent no doubt, but it's not insurmountable. They have depth issues and good D can slow down what they try to do. We have more size, depth and a fair amount of athleticism to match up with them. We probably still lose in a series, but it won't be a cakewalk.

Let's be real for a second - we've let Blake Griffin and Monta Ellis score 40 a piece on us.

The Heat may be a mediocre basketball team, but Lebron and Wade and Bosh will score at will against the pinball wizard defense of D'Antoni

I get the feeling that they are going to flip a switch when the playoffs come around and make a lot of teams look bad. Most squads can't pull it off but I'll bet this one can, unfortunately.

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11/23/2010  12:00 AM
GustavBahler wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
nixluva wrote:By the end of the season I don't think there will be that much of a gap between the Heat and Knicks as their seems to be right now. I see our team getting stronger as the season moves along. We too have to be concerned with injuries, but even with Haslem I felt that we could compete fairly well.

The Heat have tremendous talent no doubt, but it's not insurmountable. They have depth issues and good D can slow down what they try to do. We have more size, depth and a fair amount of athleticism to match up with them. We probably still lose in a series, but it won't be a cakewalk.

Let's be real for a second - we've let Blake Griffin and Monta Ellis score 40 a piece on us.

The Heat may be a mediocre basketball team, but Lebron and Wade and Bosh will score at will against the pinball wizard defense of D'Antoni

I get the feeling that they are going to flip a switch when the playoffs come around and make a lot of teams look bad. Most squads can't pull it off but I'll bet this one can, unfortunately.

Boston will embarass them if healthy. Lakers will decimate them if healthy.

Unless the Heat make some substantial strides, I don't think they have the size or defense to get by the likes of San Antonio, Utah, New Orleans, Oklahoma, Chicago, Orlando...

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11/23/2010  9:17 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/23/2010  9:17 AM
crzymdups - forget Boston and the Lakers, the over-hyped Heat just lost to the Indiana Pacers, at home.
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11/23/2010  9:34 AM
This is my theory on the Heat. Wade and Lebron are both perimeter players and only one of them can have the ball at a time. If Bosh was more of an interior force that rebounded and defended like a C, then it would make more of a difference. The fact that Bosh can be handled, weakens the effect of Wade and Lebron. There is a way to play them so that you limit the damage they can do. You don't have to worry about the other players on the Heat like you do on Boston, LA etc. Some of you are overrating this Heat team just cuz they have the 3 amigos. There's more to winning basketball than that.

The Knicks will eventually become more of a balanced team IMO. We have more size, depth and better supporting players at every position. It's doesn't matter how many points we gave up to Ellis and Curry. They didn't win doing that and neither would the Heat. IF you keep the scrubs from hurting you, it's not going to be enough if Wade and Lebron go off. What happens if only one of them has a great game?

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11/23/2010  9:40 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/23/2010  9:42 AM
nixluva wrote:This is my theory on the Heat. Wade and Lebron are both perimeter players and only one of them can have the ball at a time. If Bosh was more of an interior force that rebounded and defended like a C, then it would make more of a difference. The fact that Bosh can be handled, weakens the effect of Wade and Lebron. There is a way to play them so that you limit the damage they can do. You don't have to worry about the other players on the Heat like you do on Boston, LA etc. Some of you are overrating this Heat team just cuz they have the 3 amigos. There's more to winning basketball than that.

The Knicks will eventually become more of a balanced team IMO. We have more size, depth and better supporting players at every position. It's doesn't matter how many points we gave up to Ellis and Curry. They didn't win doing that and neither would the Heat. IF you keep the scrubs from hurting you, it's not going to be enough if Wade and Lebron go off. What happens if only one of them has a great game?

How many games do you figure they win?
If healthy, I still think they win 55-60 games.

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11/23/2010  9:41 AM
We have chemistry

nixluva - excellent point about the physical presence of Bosh in the paint. Ronny Turiaf is active enough to disrupt his rhythm and Mozgov is good to deliver some timely shoves in the back.

Is Eric Spolestra a better coach than Mike D'Antoni?

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11/23/2010  9:45 AM
Panos wrote:
nixluva wrote:This is my theory on the Heat. Wade and Lebron are both perimeter players and only one of them can have the ball at a time. If Bosh was more of an interior force that rebounded and defended like a C, then it would make more of a difference. The fact that Bosh can be handled, weakens the effect of Wade and Lebron. There is a way to play them so that you limit the damage they can do. You don't have to worry about the other players on the Heat like you do on Boston, LA etc. Some of you are overrating this Heat team just cuz they have the 3 amigos. There's more to winning basketball than that.

The Knicks will eventually become more of a balanced team IMO. We have more size, depth and better supporting players at every position. It's doesn't matter how many points we gave up to Ellis and Curry. They didn't win doing that and neither would the Heat. IF you keep the scrubs from hurting you, it's not going to be enough if Wade and Lebron go off. What happens if only one of them has a great game?

How many games do you figure they win?
If healthy, I still think they win 55-60 games.

The Heat are gonna win a lot of games simply by having superior players at the top of their lineup, but come playoff time they're gonna be in trouble. Teams will gameplan for them and they will be the better teams in the league. When you have holes in your attack, teams will exploit them better in the playoffs.

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misterearl wrote:JrZyHuStLa - Have we met?

If immaturity is equated to a random burst of optimism, or a fist bump as our yoots take baby steps right before our disbelievin' eyes...

... or the sheer enjoyment of watching Knicks basketball for the sake of watching Knicks basketball...

(not the eternal Debbie Downer dread, hindsight, gnashing of teeth and hand-wringing of things going wrong)

If immaturity is equated to having a permanent grin on my orange and blue game face because I had the chance to watch a run with Bernard King, meet Patrick Ewing, play tennis with Rory Sparrow, talk "no layups" defense with Oak, watch Ray Williams at the UofM... or own a pair of the same adidas clamshell kicks worn by Dave DeBusschere... then yes sir, you are correct, I am immature.

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11/23/2010  4:40 PM
Haslem may be out for the season. Stack waived for Dampier.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/news/story?id=5843177

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Andrew wrote:Haslem may be out for the season. Stack waived for Dampier.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/news/story?id=5843177

outside of big 3, I think Haslem most important player on Miami.

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