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BRIGGS
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11/22/2010  7:51 AM
I knew that it was a poor decision. They threw him into a scenario he wasn't going to win and now the worst case scenario has happened--he looks like he needs to get his confidence and game back up in the D league.
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11/22/2010  8:04 AM
Mike only play's good rookies.

I think most of us thought Timo would be off the bench, not starting. I think he's gotten better as the season's gone on, but I think starting is the wrong role for him this year, and off the bench, not necessarily every game, would be better for his development.

We killed Mike last year for not playing rookies, and developing them. Maybe Walsh did the same.

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11/22/2010  8:55 AM
On Timo getting posterized:

"He needed to jump," D'Antoni said. "He'll learn to do just that. You better jump real quick or get out of the way. One or the other. You don't want to be on SportsCenter tomorrow."

I hope MDA was joking, and if not, I hope he reconsiders the last half of this statement. The Pringles-light defensive school of technique and good looks. Sometimes I really hate that this stooge spent so much time in Italy, preening his 'stache.

I love the LA Times. They lose the game, but think it's great that Griffin got poster time dunks. Typical west coast sports fans. Pass the hair gel, man, and like, another 25 years of NBA futility.

Hopefully the Blakester gets traded to some franchise that gives a shat about winning.

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11/22/2010  8:59 AM
he earned his way into the SL with great play in preseason and practice. He's not ready but he will get there. It showed hes got stuff to work on. One step back, two steps forward. I fail to see how this hurts him overall. He's a hard working kid. He will be fine
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11/22/2010  9:09 AM
jrodmc wrote:On Timo getting posterized:

"He needed to jump," D'Antoni said. "He'll learn to do just that. You better jump real quick or get out of the way. One or the other. You don't want to be on SportsCenter tomorrow."

I hope MDA was joking, and if not, I hope he reconsiders the last half of this statement. The Pringles-light defensive school of technique and good looks. Sometimes I really hate that this stooge spent so much time in Italy, preening his 'stache.

I love the LA Times. They lose the game, but think it's great that Griffin got poster time dunks. Typical west coast sports fans. Pass the hair gel, man, and like, another 25 years of NBA futility.

Hopefully the Blakester gets traded to some franchise that gives a shat about winning.


MDA was kidding about getting out of the way...telling the truth about Timo needing to jump. His first impulse was to take the charge- he should have been looking to hammer Griffin.


The Knicks were penetrating the LA interior D like it was a cheap whore. Griffin is the PF of that interior D. Maybe the LA Times overlooked this fact.

The other irony is that Griffin is only a rookie because of the injury he suffered last year...while coming down from a poster-quality dunk prior to the start of the regular season.

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11/22/2010  9:57 AM
fishmike wrote:he earned his way into the SL with great play in preseason and practice. He's not ready but he will get there. It showed hes got stuff to work on. One step back, two steps forward. I fail to see how this hurts him overall. He's a hard working kid. He will be fine

I agree. Burying him on the bench won't help him or the Knicks.

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11/22/2010  10:05 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/22/2010  10:06 AM
jrodmc wrote:I love the LA Times. They lose the game, but think it's great that Griffin got poster time dunks. Typical west coast sports fans. Pass the hair gel, man, and like, another 25 years of NBA futility.


Why would they care? They have another team about to three-peat and win their what... 17th or 18th championship playing in the same arena. Even that one year when the Paper Clips had a better record than them they didn't really care.

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11/22/2010  10:06 AM
Timofey needs to have lunch with Charles Oakley

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11/22/2010  10:17 AM
If you take away all the dunks, he actually played a pretty good game. He was active and a prescense last night
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11/22/2010  10:43 AM
How is he set back?

HOw do we gauge his regress?

Moz hesitates cuz he has yet to do so much at this level. He gets open, can't believe he is open and hesitates. Keep knocking down those shots and he'll gain confidence.

Dude has to be in awe to start! Play agasint his idols has got to be a trip for him!

The guy is going to be great but its going to take time.

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11/22/2010  10:52 AM
setback? Nah, just hasn't caught up to the type of contact he can use as a defender. If he was on the Riles 90's team, he fits in perfectly. Strange that Timo has not caught up in this regard, but not worried one bit.

Fields could have been a "setback" too, but that has worked out very well.

Also, Timo would have benefited having passers who could notice that he is wide open underneath the hoop on a regular basis.

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11/22/2010  11:19 AM
Nalod wrote:How is he set back?

HOw do we gauge his regress?

Moz hesitates cuz he has yet to do so much at this level. He gets open, can't believe he is open and hesitates. Keep knocking down those shots and he'll gain confidence.

Dude has to be in awe to start! Play agasint his idols has got to be a trip for him!

The guy is going to be great but its going to take time.

I agree. Felton has his problems with the PnR and it is not just Timo that was affected. TD was just plaing ignoring him. I also saw a couple times he was open that Walker and Mayor did not give him the ball. His teammates has to understand his strengths. He has exceptional hands and a very god finisher. They need to hit him when he is rolling or cutting in the lane. I think his fouls has taken away his aggressiveness from contesting shots.

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11/22/2010  11:29 AM
martin wrote:setback? Nah, just hasn't caught up to the type of contact he can use as a defender. If he was on the Riles 90's team, he fits in perfectly. Strange that Timo has not caught up in this regard, but not worried one bit.

Fields could have been a "setback" too, but that has worked out very well.

Also, Timo would have benefited having passers who could notice that he is wide open underneath the hoop on a regular basis.

Duly noted and oft repeated. Have heard his hands aren't real good as a reason he gets passed on some of those. Can't say which it is.

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11/22/2010  11:34 AM
Olbrannon wrote:
martin wrote:setback? Nah, just hasn't caught up to the type of contact he can use as a defender. If he was on the Riles 90's team, he fits in perfectly. Strange that Timo has not caught up in this regard, but not worried one bit.

Fields could have been a "setback" too, but that has worked out very well.

Also, Timo would have benefited having passers who could notice that he is wide open underneath the hoop on a regular basis.

Duly noted and oft repeated. Have heard his hands aren't real good as a reason he gets passed on some of those. Can't say which it is.

could be a trust thing too. Lots of TOs by Timo via traveling, rushed shots.

dude just needs more time and patience. I thought he would adjust faster but it hasn't happened.

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11/22/2010  11:39 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/22/2010  12:01 PM
"Dude has to be in awe to start! Play(ing) agasint his idols has got to be a trip for him!"

what Nalod said

Mozgov is a rookie from 4676 miles away and light years removed from Rucker Park. Once he gains the confidence that he equal to his competition, he will relax.

Right now, after 13 games and only 170 minutes, the NBA must feel like a time warp, "great adventure", out-of-body experience.

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11/22/2010  11:44 AM
Olbrannon wrote:
martin wrote:setback? Nah, just hasn't caught up to the type of contact he can use as a defender. If he was on the Riles 90's team, he fits in perfectly. Strange that Timo has not caught up in this regard, but not worried one bit.

Fields could have been a "setback" too, but that has worked out very well.

Also, Timo would have benefited having passers who could notice that he is wide open underneath the hoop on a regular basis.

Duly noted and oft repeated. Have heard his hands aren't real good as a reason he gets passed on some of those. Can't say which it is.

That's not true about the hands. Timo has great hands. Watched him during the world chamionships and the passes they were throwing to him were hard passes to catch but he caught all of them.

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11/22/2010  12:45 PM
martin wrote:
Olbrannon wrote:
martin wrote:setback? Nah, just hasn't caught up to the type of contact he can use as a defender. If he was on the Riles 90's team, he fits in perfectly. Strange that Timo has not caught up in this regard, but not worried one bit.

Fields could have been a "setback" too, but that has worked out very well.

Also, Timo would have benefited having passers who could notice that he is wide open underneath the hoop on a regular basis.

Duly noted and oft repeated. Have heard his hands aren't real good as a reason he gets passed on some of those. Can't say which it is.

could be a trust thing too. Lots of TOs by Timo via traveling, rushed shots.

dude just needs more time and patience. I thought he would adjust faster but it hasn't happened.

Indeed. It's not like Gallo doesn't get passed to in that position

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11/22/2010  1:13 PM
I feel Timo had some very meaningful minutes even tho it's clear he's got a LONG way to go. He went up against some of the top C's and really he wasn't that bad. He would be so much more confident and impactful if we had guards that could get him the ball on the HUNDREDS of great cuts he's made to the basket!!!! I can't believe how often our bigs are in the paint and don't get the ball. Funny thing is that there seems to be better rhythm with our guards and Turiaf. Turiaf for some reason tends to get better passes that lead to some impressive dunks. It's probably a respect thing versus Timo. Amar'e just has more attention paid to him and that messes up more of his PnR attempts. No one pays attention to Timo and Turiaf, so we should be able to clean up with those two in the PnR, but our guards have to do a better job.

Timo will be just fine and I think it was a great opportunity for him to get in there with the 1st unit and play against the better C's in the league.

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11/22/2010  1:32 PM
NYKBocker wrote:
Olbrannon wrote:
martin wrote:setback? Nah, just hasn't caught up to the type of contact he can use as a defender. If he was on the Riles 90's team, he fits in perfectly. Strange that Timo has not caught up in this regard, but not worried one bit.

Fields could have been a "setback" too, but that has worked out very well.

Also, Timo would have benefited having passers who could notice that he is wide open underneath the hoop on a regular basis.

Duly noted and oft repeated. Have heard his hands aren't real good as a reason he gets passed on some of those. Can't say which it is.

That's not true about the hands. Timo has great hands. Watched him during the world chamionships and the passes they were throwing to him were hard passes to catch but he caught all of them.

http://www.82games.com/1011/10NYK15.HTM hands rating 2.2

While Amar'e who leads the league along with Lebron in turnovers gas a hands rating of 8.8

Gallinari is 16+

Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
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11/22/2010  2:24 PM
he was never ready to start IMO... personally i thought that was obvious from game 1... he needs to be eased into the starting role.
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