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BigSm00th
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11/20/2010  11:13 AM
Its getting ridiculous. Almost all of STAT's buckets come from him facing his man up from way outside and then dribbling into a double team and finishing somehow. Felton and Douglas both don't run the PnR well. Felton is a great fast break PG and has nights like last night where he gets it going and is hitting is floater, but I have yet to see him run the pick and roll with amare well. in an ideal world felton is the backup PG here.

i don't understand why fields or gallo don't get the ball to run the O. felton can't run the PnR, its established. why force a square peg in a round hole. fields at least 1x or 2x in every game will get the ball, a big will come and set a pick, and he runs the PnR fine, makes the entry pass, big gets an easy bucket. i've seen it several times. gallo too has the awareness and ability to run it, though he's probably best spotting up on the wing.

either way, we need to find a player or two who CAN run the pick and roll, because amare will get SO many easy baskets and the offense works a lot better spacing wise and continuity wise. STAT was an absolute demon in phoenix with the PnR, we didn't sign him for $20 mil/yr to face up and dribble into double teams.

this has been maddening since walsh/d'antoni took over. this team NEEDS a good point guard, it is so vital to the success. it baffles me that they haven't been able to get one yet. passing over brandon jennings for jordan hill will haunt this team until the get a lead guard who can run the offense.

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11/20/2010  12:28 PM
As a team it is worth the effort to stick with it despite how bad it looks now. If they can get it going with Felton all the effort will have been worth it. They can't just give up on it so early in the season.
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11/20/2010  1:24 PM
dantoni change his tactic a bit lately. He has gone primary more on ball movement and galo going back door and making pnr secondary. This may hold for a bit until other teams see it but we will need that pnr soon and hopefully time will fix it or have another player fields/gallo do pnr with stat other than the pg.
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11/20/2010  1:24 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/20/2010  1:26 PM
Gallo or Fields might be able to do it...more likely Gallo, since he seems to be safer with the ball.

They should also be doing the same with Turiaf setting the pick.

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11/20/2010  3:30 PM
They should always have a big coming up for a pick after almost every pass. Just keep moving the ball and working the pick.
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11/22/2010  3:31 PM
http://basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1287

It can only get better....right?

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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11/22/2010  3:43 PM
The offense improved immensely when they stopped trying to force the pick and roll. It will come over time. And it will be easier to learn it if they aren't trying to run it ALL THE TIME, if that makes any sense.

If the defense isn't ready for it, it will be much easier to run.

I also like the idea of Gallo running some PnR's with Amare. That's been working really well.

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11/22/2010  4:22 PM
crzymdups wrote:The offense improved immensely when they stopped trying to force the pick and roll. It will come over time. And it will be easier to learn it if they aren't trying to run it ALL THE TIME, if that makes any sense.

If the defense isn't ready for it, it will be much easier to run.

I also like the idea of Gallo running some PnR's with Amare. That's been working really well.

Also for some reason Felton finds it easiter to get the ball to Will diving to the hoop after a screen vs. Amare. Maybe because Defenses aren't all keyed in on Chandler

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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11/22/2010  4:38 PM
crzymdups wrote:The offense improved immensely when they stopped trying to force the pick and roll. It will come over time. And it will be easier to learn it if they aren't trying to run it ALL THE TIME, if that makes any sense.

If the defense isn't ready for it, it will be much easier to run.

I also like the idea of Gallo running some PnR's with Amare. That's been working really well.

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11/22/2010  4:41 PM
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:http://basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1287

It can only get better....right?

Wow - nice analysis and videos to support. I will definitely check out this site more often...

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11/22/2010  4:55 PM
What about some bounce passing drills, in traffic, etc ? Try to hit the target and not have it kicked. Have the whole team participate.
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11/22/2010  5:03 PM
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:http://basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1287

It can only get better....right?

That's a solid analysis. I noticed Felton giving up the ball too early on the PnR, and his sloppy passes, but didn't really catch him picking up his dribble as much, or the notion that he's predetermining the play, rather than reacting. Both good finds.

Reading that article makes me think a lot of these issues can be correctable once Felton gets a better handle of the PnR and builds more chemistry with Amare. Someone should tweet this article to Felton himself, cause I always have doubts that our coaching staff is doing any teaching.

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11/22/2010  5:06 PM
crzymdups wrote:The offense improved immensely when they stopped trying to force the pick and roll. It will come over time. And it will be easier to learn it if they aren't trying to run it ALL THE TIME, if that makes any sense.

If the defense isn't ready for it, it will be much easier to run.

I also like the idea of Gallo running some PnR's with Amare. That's been working really well.

Teams are going to start paying more attention to Gallo driving the ball. He has enough smarts to dump it off to Amare or who ever is open (He will of course have to start driving the ball to Amare's side - That would be a good start pehaps?).
It's going to take time for Felton and Amare to jell for sure...

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11/22/2010  5:31 PM
Maybe it's just an issue with spacing for Felton. He really doesn't need a pick to get into the lane and he never had to develop that skill. It might be a good idea to junk it altogether with him and go with Gallo and Amar'e with the pick and roll. That tandem causes more problems for defenses anyway because I don't think any coach would feel comfortable conceding the the three to Gallo.
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11/22/2010  6:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/22/2010  6:33 PM
scoshin wrote:
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:http://basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1287

It can only get better....right?

That's a solid analysis. I noticed Felton giving up the ball too early on the PnR, and his sloppy passes, but didn't really catch him picking up his dribble as much, or the notion that he's predetermining the play, rather than reacting. Both good finds.

Reading that article makes me think a lot of these issues can be correctable once Felton gets a better handle of the PnR and builds more chemistry with Amare. Someone should tweet this article to Felton himself, cause I always have doubts that our coaching staff is doing any teaching.

haha. one would think that coaches getting paid millions have to notice this if some schlub from BP does but stranger things have happened...

Couldn't find Felton on twitter but tweeted the link to Turiaf. We'll see if he notices or responds.

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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11/30/2010  10:26 PM
looks like Felton & Amare got it going now... great to see!
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11/30/2010  10:29 PM
TMS wrote:looks like Felton & Amare got it going now... great to see!

Didn't his timing and spacing look great? His angle of the passes was good too. Not to mention his passing to Chan has been equally as good. He looks like he's finally gotten comfortable with the whole thing. This system is starting to fit him like a glove. It must feel like Shangri La compared to playing in Charlotte!

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11/30/2010  10:55 PM
nixluva wrote:
TMS wrote:looks like Felton & Amare got it going now... great to see!

Didn't his timing and spacing look great? His angle of the passes was good too. Not to mention his passing to Chan has been equally as good. He looks like he's finally gotten comfortable with the whole thing. This system is starting to fit him like a glove. It must feel like Shangri La compared to playing in Charlotte!

it's like night & day... hope he can keep it up... but i do think he benefitted from his time learning under Larry Brown in Charlotte, more in his leadership & ability to manage a game.

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12/1/2010  7:14 AM
duhon.... i know you guys are gonna get mad, but he ran the pnr to perfection he would only play like 10 mins a game
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12/1/2010  7:30 AM
original posters concerns were valid. but the no-pnr for that time was a blessing, since it allowed stat to get out of his comfort zone, and expand his game to get the wins. now that the pnr is starting to work, thats the icing on a bigger cake.
Somebody's gotta run the PnR with Amare

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