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Your Call, Part 2: Should Mike D'Antoni be fired?


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Just a week ago a poll was started wondering if the Knicks should've fired coach Mike D'Antoni after a lackluster 3-5 start following a loss to the Warriors. While it was considered premature by many, it sure has been a recurring theme lately. More than 42% of you chose to give the coach the whole season to really get a team with 10 new players a chance to improve. Still, only 28% of you showed no mercy, declaring his system unfit for New York and wanting him gone ASAP.

But that was then.

A week later, the Knicks have yet to win. They have managed to lose three more games, one the now infamous loss to the T-Wolves and Love's 31-31, one to the struggling Rockets and one to Carmelo's Nuggets. Patience is in an all-time low judging from the articles and posts. The team keeps playing the same way and it sure looks flawed. Many things are not working, but is the coach the main issue? Should the Knicks fire him?

Yes! I was willing to wait 25 games, even the year, to see if we improved but it won't happen with this system. We can't live and die from downtown.
No, we just have to get him the players he needs to run the PnR and the system as a whole.
Its still too early to tell but I'd fire him if we are 9-12 games under .500 after 25 games.
I still think he is a good coach, so let him finish the season and can him if we don't make the playoffs.
He is untouchable. He will guide us to the promised land. If we fire him, the Heat will hire him and defeat us by 100 points.
At this point, I don't really care. Same old Knicks. Meh.
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crzymdups
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11/17/2010  1:56 PM
I'm pretty ready to fire him now, but willing to wait until around mid-season.

I have no hope of truly contending with him as coach, so I think he should go at some point this season. Though I'm guessing that hurts our Melo chase.

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11/17/2010  3:11 PM
i've been ready to bring in a new coach ever since early last season but figured he needed at least til the 2010 Allstar break so as to leave no more excuses on the table... the vaunted 2010 Plan was to dump all the dead weight that Isiah left behind & to start fresh with new players... well, DW did all that & even brought in a viable superstar player to build around, but the team still looks like crap... if there were a coach who would preach defense first, motion without the ball & a fast uptempo style of basketball out there that can be had, i'm all for replacing MDA now... i don't think this system will ever be successful without an MVP calibre PG like Nash or CP3 leading the way... unless we can get our hands on a guy like that, i don't see a point in continuing on w/this ridiculous product we've been watching for the past 2+ years... if there's any hope of getting a guy like Nash or CP3 at the trade deadline, then i'd be willing to be patient til then to see if DW can get it done... or if Melo is in the works, i'd give MDA this year only to finally prove he can win w/this system in NY... barring adding a major piece like that, i don't see any reason to continue on with an inflexible coach who's system just isn't netting any positive results w/this roster.
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11/17/2010  3:21 PM
He needs the full season imo.

This early into the season, we're above average defensively when we were near the bottom last year. It's our offense that's been sucking.

Over the course of the season, some folks will shoot better, like Danilo and Amare. We'll see where we are when things start to even out.

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11/17/2010  3:23 PM
D'Antoni needs at least 7 or 8 years to get his system in place, and for Donnie to get the players he needs to run his system. The plan always was to be able to start rebuilding in 2018, right?
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11/17/2010  3:29 PM
BasketballJones wrote:D'Antoni needs at least 7 or 8 years to get his system in place, and for Donnie to get the players he needs to run his system. The plan always was to be able to start rebuilding in 2018, right?

Right, Isiah already told us this. It's when LeBron's second extra extension will be up. He's already planning for it and, in fact, Curry's second contract extension will also be up in that same year.

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11/17/2010  3:55 PM
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11/17/2010  4:20 PM
I am pretty pissed at the way the team is playing and I think is a large part of this but I want to give him more time. Obviously this isn't good but what other option do we have? I don't think there is anyone out there who would be a good replacement. And I don't get the MJax jock riding, guy hasnt coached.

Let's see what happens.

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11/17/2010  5:48 PM
IF Felton was at least halfway decent at running PnR and setting up his teammates, this team would have a winning record right now. Even with the poor 3pt shooting! No way do I get rid of this coach. The shooting will eventually turn around and if Felton can somehow get a handle on the PnR, this team is gonna be a very good team. We've made some strides on D and if not for the poor offense that D would stand up a lot more. The bad offense is leading to a lot of easy scores for the opposing team. Our set D is actually pretty good, not great, but good enough.
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11/17/2010  5:58 PM
I think D'antoni should just be left to coach this team and be exposed for the loser he is.

No practice, no defense, no scouting, no game plan.

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11/17/2010  6:39 PM
I never thought he was the right hire but his first year wasn't that bad. He should have been let go after last season and all that he did. Its a shame that someone else didn't have the opportunity to have a training camp with this team and start the season with them. D'Antoni was never right for the job and every criticism of him prior to coming here has proven to be accurate. There was no way he should have been brought back after last season.
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11/17/2010  7:14 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/17/2010  7:17 PM
I think you give him more time to see if things can work out. I say this mostly because a lot of us said before the season that D'Antoni now has some horses and should get a season to evaluate how good of a coach he truly is. Yeah, 3-8 is bad, but it's too early to say that this can't be turned around especially after how encouraging the first few games were.

I think some of the points D'Antoni brings up are valid. For example, you don't want to tell a guy like Gallo not to shoot 3s even if he's missing because he has shown the ability to do it very well in the past and you have to believe that the #s will eventually correct themselves somewhat. Plus, by telling a guy like that to stop shooting 3s, you take away his confidence and possibly stunt his development (how many 6'10/6'11 guys have the skills that Gallo has? why limit those skills?).

At the same time, I don't believe everyone on our team should have free reign to chuck up 3s (even Gallo shouldn't unless open of course) as we simply don't have the shooters that the Suns had to do that under D'Antoni. In that regard, I think D'Antoni hasn't done a good job of adjusting as this team is taking a lot of dumb shots and when that happens, the coach needs to at least take some of the blame.

I do think the players are also at fault here. I mean, D'Antoni and Amare have hinted at various points that this team isn't running enough and last night it looked like we finally saw some running out there. Maybe you put some blame on D'Antoni for not getting them to do that earlier on but that really comes down to lack of execution (which I think ultimately falls under players if coach is constantly delivering the message that they need to run more).

It's tough because if Gallo shoots like he normally does, this team is likely in a much better situation than they currently are. Without his production though, we really don't have a legit 2nd scoring option out there and without that, you can't compete with the other teams in the league that have at least 2 all star caliber players on their squads (who is our 2nd all-star right now?). On the defensive end, there is a better effort out there and we are contesting more shots than we did last season. So I can't sit here and say with a straight face that D'Antoni is the problem because truth is, there are a lot of problems with the way we're playing and I don't think firing the coach will solve those issues.

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11/17/2010  9:00 PM
Caseloads wrote:I think D'antoni should just be left to coach this team and be exposed for the loser he is.

No practice, no defense, no scouting, no game plan.

you don't have to like mda as a coach, but this is about as baseless a statement as there gets.

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11/17/2010  9:03 PM
I think the 9-12 option is reasonable. I mean, look, if we can't go at least 5-9 over the next 14 games, then maybe it's time to switch coach. Starting out 8-17 would be attrocious and really unacceptable. As it was, we got a break due to the asbestos scare. Starting out 3-8 is ridiculous. This team could easily have been 8-3.
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11/17/2010  9:31 PM
You mean they haven't gotten my memo yet? I fired him last year for being a marshmallow in the middle.
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11/17/2010  10:16 PM
PresIke wrote:
Caseloads wrote:I think D'antoni should just be left to coach this team and be exposed for the loser he is.

No practice, no defense, no scouting, no game plan.

you don't have to like mda as a coach, but this is about as baseless a statement as there gets.

He has been called out by his peers for not scouting and game planning in the media. He has had players tell members of the media that they don't practice defense and he has had former players make statements like, "Sometimes we even practiced for 45 minutes." So I don't think the statement is baseless.
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11/17/2010  10:48 PM
I'm getting really tired of being right all the time.
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11/17/2010  11:04 PM
islesfan wrote:I'm getting really tired of being right all the time.

No you're not.

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11/17/2010  11:57 PM
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11/18/2010  6:47 AM
Looks like Mike D'A is reading the UK forum. Last night against Sac. we only took 15 3-pt shots (and hit 6 for 40%). We've averaged 25/game previously. And we are driving to the basket more, especially Gallo. So a significant change at last.

Knicks Free Throws - last night 37
- avg for year - 28

Gallo is driving to the basket more and getting more FT.
Free Throws - last night 16 for 17 FT - excellent
Free Throws - for the year - 6 FT attempts making 90%

Keep Gallo shooting those Free throws! We'll win a lot more games with Gallo shooting 90% from the line.

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11/18/2010  9:05 AM
After a loss: yes after a win: no
Your Call, Part 2: Should Mike D'Antoni be fired?

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