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Good bye MDA

martin wrote:how do you account for that fact that Knicks are rated top 11 in def efficiency this year? and were clearly within the top 10 before Turiaf went down?

Sure, the defense has been there so far in the first 10 games. But what do the Knicks have to show for it? Not much huh? And with D'antoni, if the defense is there, the offense is still tremendously flawed.

Maybe our offense suffers because of our defense?

Melo is not coming over what is or what was.

He comes for what can be.

This team has problems but they are fixible to about.500 with this roster.

TMS wrote:

martin wrote:how do you account for that fact that Knicks are rated top 11 in def efficiency this year? and were clearly within the top 10 before Turiaf went down?

i highly doubt Melo is spending his days checking the Defensive efficiency stats list to determine where he wants to sign this summer... all he's going to see is that W-L record & the perceived reputation that MDA's teams have traditionally carried that his system is all about outscoring the opponent with volume of shots & shooting early in the shotclock... how ironic if the coach that DW hired who would supposedly attract all these superstars to come to NY winds up scaring them away... i believe Lebron said something exactly similar to what Melo is saying here that he never wanted to be a part of a team that didn't stress defense first.

Melo and LeBron want to go to teams that stress defense... but in the end they will only look at W/L to make that determination? That's what you seem to be saying. Im of the opinion that if they really want to be apart of teams that stress defense they would 1) play defense themselves (something Carmelo has not stepped up to himself over the course of his career) 2) actually check out to see what the team is doing (and that may be determined by both what type of player is on the team and what those players are doing).

LeBron went to Miami cause he wanted to be surrounded by his friends in Wade and Bosh, seems to me that was his primary motivation.

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:

martin wrote:how do you account for that fact that Knicks are rated top 11 in def efficiency this year? and were clearly within the top 10 before Turiaf went down?

i highly doubt Melo is spending his days checking the Defensive efficiency stats list to determine where he wants to sign this summer... all he's going to see is that W-L record & the perceived reputation that MDA's teams have traditionally carried that his system is all about outscoring the opponent with volume of shots & shooting early in the shotclock... how ironic if the coach that DW hired who would supposedly attract all these superstars to come to NY winds up scaring them away... i believe Lebron said something exactly similar to what Melo is saying here that he never wanted to be a part of a team that didn't stress defense first.

Melo and LeBron want to go to teams that stress defense... but in the end they will only look at W/L to make that determination? That's what you seem to be saying. Im of the opinion that if they really want to be apart of teams that stress defense they would 1) play defense themselves (something Carmelo has not stepped up to himself over the course of his career) 2) actually check out to see what the team is doing (and that may be determined by both what type of player is on the team and what those players are doing).

LeBron went to Miami cause he wanted to be surrounded by his friends in Wade and Bosh, seems to me that was his primary motivation.

Lebron was quoted in the press that he didn't want to be a part of a team that didn't stress defense... Melo is making the same exact statements now... i'm gonna take them at their word & not inject my own interpretations of their intentions... no one knows MDA as being a coach that stresses defense... his system stresses offense & volume of possessions... we hired this guy to lure the Lebrons & Melos of the NBA to NY because of his supposed awesome rapport that he had with these guys during the Olympics... will be sadly ironic if neither one of those guys end up coming here because of MDA's coaching style... of course Lebron went to Miami to play with his buddies on South Beach, but what's that got to do with Lebron not wanting to come here to play under a coach that doesn't stress any D?

TMS wrote:

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:

martin wrote:how do you account for that fact that Knicks are rated top 11 in def efficiency this year? and were clearly within the top 10 before Turiaf went down?

i highly doubt Melo is spending his days checking the Defensive efficiency stats list to determine where he wants to sign this summer... all he's going to see is that W-L record & the perceived reputation that MDA's teams have traditionally carried that his system is all about outscoring the opponent with volume of shots & shooting early in the shotclock... how ironic if the coach that DW hired who would supposedly attract all these superstars to come to NY winds up scaring them away... i believe Lebron said something exactly similar to what Melo is saying here that he never wanted to be a part of a team that didn't stress defense first.

Melo and LeBron want to go to teams that stress defense... but in the end they will only look at W/L to make that determination? That's what you seem to be saying. Im of the opinion that if they really want to be apart of teams that stress defense they would 1) play defense themselves (something Carmelo has not stepped up to himself over the course of his career) 2) actually check out to see what the team is doing (and that may be determined by both what type of player is on the team and what those players are doing).

LeBron went to Miami cause he wanted to be surrounded by his friends in Wade and Bosh, seems to me that was his primary motivation.

Lebron was quoted in the press that he didn't want to be a part of a team that didn't stress defense... Melo is making the same exact statements now... i'm gonna take them at their word & not inject my own interpretations of their intentions... no one knows MDA as being a coach that stresses defense... his system stresses offense & volume of possessions... we hired this guy to lure the Lebrons & Melos of the NBA to NY because of his supposed awesome rapport that he had with these guys during the Olympics... will be sadly ironic if neither one of those guys end up coming here because of MDA's coaching style... of course Lebron went to Miami to play with his buddies on South Beach, but what's that got to do with Lebron not wanting to come here to play under a coach that doesn't stress any D?

what was he suppose to do, A "RANDY MOSS", AMARE said the same thing last year as well, and although the circumstances are a bit different, there's no doubt in my mind that melo would play for MDA in NY..I hate player's who preach defense and be just as guilty as the next man.

melo has never been remotely associated with anything pertaining to defense, so that puff puff cloud talk, i can see right through it homie..

I can't believe you even mention Lebron...

martin wrote:

Papabear wrote:

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:

martin wrote:how do you account for that fact that Knicks are rated top 11 in def efficiency this year? and were clearly within the top 10 before Turiaf went down?

i highly doubt Melo is spending his days checking the Defensive efficiency stats list to determine where he wants to sign this summer... all he's going to see is that W-L record & the perceived reputation that MDA's teams have traditionally carried that his system is all about outscoring the opponent with volume of shots & shooting early in the shotclock... how ironic if the coach that DW hired who would supposedly attract all these superstars to come to NY winds up scaring them away... i believe Lebron said something exactly similar to what Melo is saying here that he never wanted to be a part of a team that didn't stress defense first.

Melo and LeBron want to go to teams that stress defense... but in the end they will only look at W/L to make that determination? That's what you seem to be saying. Im of the opinion that if they really want to be apart of teams that stress defense they would 1) play defense themselves (something Carmelo has not stepped up to himself over the course of his career) 2) actually check out to see what the team is doing (and that may be determined by both what type of player is on the team and what those players are doing).

LeBron went to Miami cause he wanted to be surrounded by his friends in Wade and Bosh, seems to me that was his primary motivation.

Papabear Says

Martin are you telling me that you wouldn't trade anyone or two or three people with the exception of Amear in order to get Mello. If Mello can't make us better we might as well shut down the franchise and join the D league.

not saying at all. I want Melo on the team. It'll be a factor of Melo's contract, who and/or what you give up and the timing of the whole thing.

Here's a couple of things to consider:

- Perhaps Denver has no intention of trading Melo to NY, in that case all of this is a moot point and no package would be good enough.
- Is Melo signing extension for 3 years starting at $20, $22, $24? or is he willing to come down in price if he comes to NY and sign a 6 year deal starting at around what Wade, LeBron are making.
- Are we talking exchange of Chandler and Curry or something more?

Is Melo interested in just securing the best contact he can before the CBA runs out or is he more interested in moving to a team where he can build a championship quality team to compete against Miami, Orlando, Boston, Lakers, OKL? I would suggest that those 2 things are mutually exclusive if he can only get contract through a trade that would drain a team of their resources (picks and players).