Hopefully they'll pull me back in- but as one of you said- Hope is not a strategy. See you MF's at the Grammys.

93BUICK wrote:93 BUICK is out until the team gets to .500, is fired or we make a big trade, I'm not watching THIS anymore. It's depressing and it wastes my time when I could be chasing Mrs.Buicks around.
I see it. I see what made poor DJ go root for a team in another country. I see what sends poor Eny back to Taco Bell after the late shift. I see what makes Papabear misspell Amare'. I see what makes Marv talk through his patient's session lamenting the lack of hustle and "D". I'm out.

Hopefully they'll pull me back in- but as one of you said- Hope is not a strategy. See you MF's at the Grammys.

definitely thinking about going the same route buick. i'm definitely not the "give up on the team type" but this is ridiculous. i don't think it's unfair to expect results by now. we've had two years of waiting. we're seeing the same problems with a new crop of better players. even the most adamant MDA supporters are now accepting that he may be to blame for the team's flaws. it's not too late for a turnaround, but it's still a major disappointment after all the anticipation of this season.

FrenchKnicks wrote:Am I the only one to understand that a team made of 10 new players has to go through a lot of games to play good basketball ?

I've never expected them to play as a unit before halfway through this season. It's a process, and you guys aren't patient. It takes time, and they'll get there. They're young, athletic, and have loads of potential.

you are right. i'm not patient. i was patient for 2 years. now, when we are faced with inferior opponents with terrible records, i expect the team to win. i haven't given up. but i will not make any more excuses for the team. nor will i accept any more excuses. that being said, i'm always a knicks fan so i hope they turn it around before more of us go nuts. let's go knicks.

Uptown wrote:

eViL wrote:

FrenchKnicks wrote:Am I the only one to understand that a team made of 10 new players has to go through a lot of games to play good basketball ?

I've never expected them to play as a unit before halfway through this season. It's a process, and you guys aren't patient. It takes time, and they'll get there. They're young, athletic, and have loads of potential.

you are right. i'm not patient. i was patient for 2 years. now, when we are faced with inferior opponents with terrible records, i expect the team to win. i haven't given up. but i will not make any more excuses for the team. nor will i accept any more excuses. that being said, i'm always a knicks fan so i hope they turn it around before more of us go nuts. let's go knicks.

2 years? Try 6 years since we last made the playoffs, 10 years since we last won a playoff game and almost 40 years since we won a championship. We've seen worse than this, just look back at the Layden/Isiah years. But to each his own...

Layden/Isiah years were worse?? really??...Layden teams were around .500...Isiah teams made it interesting until January...

Childs2Dudley wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Uptown wrote:

eViL wrote:

FrenchKnicks wrote:Am I the only one to understand that a team made of 10 new players has to go through a lot of games to play good basketball ?

I've never expected them to play as a unit before halfway through this season. It's a process, and you guys aren't patient. It takes time, and they'll get there. They're young, athletic, and have loads of potential.

you are right. i'm not patient. i was patient for 2 years. now, when we are faced with inferior opponents with terrible records, i expect the team to win. i haven't given up. but i will not make any more excuses for the team. nor will i accept any more excuses. that being said, i'm always a knicks fan so i hope they turn it around before more of us go nuts. let's go knicks.

2 years? Try 6 years since we last made the playoffs, 10 years since we last won a playoff game and almost 40 years since we won a championship. We've seen worse than this, just look back at the Layden/Isiah years. But to each his own...

Layden/Isiah years were worse?? really??...Layden teams were around .500...Isiah teams made it interesting until January...

Defending Isiah now.

Nice.

And Layden...

Uptown wrote:

eViL wrote:

FrenchKnicks wrote:Am I the only one to understand that a team made of 10 new players has to go through a lot of games to play good basketball ?

I've never expected them to play as a unit before halfway through this season. It's a process, and you guys aren't patient. It takes time, and they'll get there. They're young, athletic, and have loads of potential.

you are right. i'm not patient. i was patient for 2 years. now, when we are faced with inferior opponents with terrible records, i expect the team to win. i haven't given up. but i will not make any more excuses for the team. nor will i accept any more excuses. that being said, i'm always a knicks fan so i hope they turn it around before more of us go nuts. let's go knicks.

2 years? Try 6 years since we last made the playoffs, 10 years since we last won a playoff game and almost 40 years since we won a championship. We've seen worse than this, just look back at the Layden/Isiah years. But to each his own...

the DW era doesn't seem to be much of an improvement over the Layden years so far to be honest... the Isiah/Marbury years were the darkest time in the history of this franchise, so nothing will ever compare to those days.

TMS wrote:

Uptown wrote:

eViL wrote:

FrenchKnicks wrote:Am I the only one to understand that a team made of 10 new players has to go through a lot of games to play good basketball ?

I've never expected them to play as a unit before halfway through this season. It's a process, and you guys aren't patient. It takes time, and they'll get there. They're young, athletic, and have loads of potential.

you are right. i'm not patient. i was patient for 2 years. now, when we are faced with inferior opponents with terrible records, i expect the team to win. i haven't given up. but i will not make any more excuses for the team. nor will i accept any more excuses. that being said, i'm always a knicks fan so i hope they turn it around before more of us go nuts. let's go knicks.

2 years? Try 6 years since we last made the playoffs, 10 years since we last won a playoff game and almost 40 years since we won a championship. We've seen worse than this, just look back at the Layden/Isiah years. But to each his own...

the DW era doesn't seem to be much of an improvement over the Layden years so far to be honest... the Isiah/Marbury years were the darkest time in the history of this franchise, so nothing will ever compare to those days.

shannon anderson, howard eisly, and wetherspoon combine for more then half the payroll in the layden era. that was dark, but we still manage to win 37 games.

93BUICK wrote:93 BUICK is out until the team gets to .500, is fired or we make a big trade, I'm not watching THIS anymore. It's depressing and it wastes my time when I could be chasing Mrs.Buicks around.
I see it. I see what made poor DJ go root for a team in another country. I see what sends poor Eny back to Taco Bell after the late shift. I see what makes Papabear misspell Amare'. I see what makes Marv talk through his patient's session lamenting the lack of hustle and "D". I'm out.

Hopefully they'll pull me back in- but as one of you said- Hope is not a strategy. See you MF's at the Grammys.

I haven't watched a single game this season, and probably didn't see more than half a game all last season. (This year I canceled my cable, so it's not at all easy to catch the games.) I never was the most hardcore fan, but I did hang in there for about eight years before totally losing interest.

that being said, i feel like it's now or never for duke. if he doesn't get this **** going now, how the hell can he stick around?

Childs2Dudley wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Uptown wrote:

eViL wrote:

FrenchKnicks wrote:Am I the only one to understand that a team made of 10 new players has to go through a lot of games to play good basketball ?

I've never expected them to play as a unit before halfway through this season. It's a process, and you guys aren't patient. It takes time, and they'll get there. They're young, athletic, and have loads of potential.

you are right. i'm not patient. i was patient for 2 years. now, when we are faced with inferior opponents with terrible records, i expect the team to win. i haven't given up. but i will not make any more excuses for the team. nor will i accept any more excuses. that being said, i'm always a knicks fan so i hope they turn it around before more of us go nuts. let's go knicks.

2 years? Try 6 years since we last made the playoffs, 10 years since we last won a playoff game and almost 40 years since we won a championship. We've seen worse than this, just look back at the Layden/Isiah years. But to each his own...

Layden/Isiah years were worse?? really??...Layden teams were around .500...Isiah teams made it interesting until January...

Defending Isiah now.

Nice.

Papabear Says

Good ol Zeke!! LOL

TMS wrote:
IMO in terms of talent assembled, DW has done a much better job than either Layden or Isiah up to this point... but the curious thing is that a team with Shanvis Eisleyspoon could very well manage to win more games than this current bunch with a bonafide superstar player & a very talented young supporting cast will this season... i have no other explanation for this other than to point to the coaching, & if it is in fact the coaching, then DW deserves a big part of the blame for ever hiring this coach to begin with... if it's not the coaching then i'd like someone to tell me why this team still plays like they don't know WTF they're doing out there on the floor on a nightly basis... even players that have played under this coach for the past 2+ years running still don't seem to know what they're doing out there... i've seen other teams full of rookies & 2nd year players play with more continuity & team chemistry than this bunch with coaches with a much less known name than D'Antoni... losing because we're lacking the talent to win i can deal with as long as the players are playing up to their potential, but i can't deal with losing games due to consistent underperformance... that just irks me to no end.

Yep, I don't blame DW at all (he's made a few mistakes)- the problem is any player we get turns to garbage upon putting on a Knicks uniform- is it their fault? The coaches? The media? The pressure we put on them? I've no idea.

I understand why people are giving up so soon- it's just the culmination of the past 10 years. I can take losing games, but losing them the way we're losing them, in exactly the same way- the lack of effort, the bone headed play, the one quarter no shows, the inability to execute the most basic plays, the lack of toughness, the lack of pride, pathetic coaching, etc etc- it's just hard to root for a team like this. It kind of feels like, if they're not going to bother to show up and put their heart and soul in it, then why should we.

Of course having said that, I can never actually give up on the team- I keep hoping they might turn things around- I guess thats whats so difficult.