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11/15/2010  4:00 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/15/2010  4:37 PM
Gallo-when he drives to the hoop good things just happen. He's averaging 7 FT's per game over his last 5, and 9 ft's over his last 3. He is an awkward player and guys just can't guard him without fouling. Guys are rushing out at him to prevent the jumper and he is able to go by them without having to be the quickest guy. What is preventing him from being a devstating scorer are a few things: Consistency with this line of thinking, a left hand, a pull-up mid range jumper. Seeing some progress but he has a long way to go and it's very slow

AmareNot a playmaker. When he's standing still he's actually an okay passer. When he drives he simply is not going to pass. He will shoot behind the backboard, through 3 guys, whatever it takes to get a shot up. He's at a point in his career where this is never going to change. We really need a PG that can help him get easier shots

TimofeyThe base of skills there, unfortunately it will be a long time before we see tangible results. He actually has some nice post moves but seems to give too much credit for the defender. He'll drop step and be open, pump fake and be open, spin and be open and then take a contested fade away hook shot. Can't seem to stop himself from reaching in before he blocks a shot, but I think experience will beat this out of him. I still think he's going to be a solid NBA player


Felton
1.) Felton is horrible at running the Pnr. If I were Amare or Timofey I would have blown a gasket by now. These guys are open, and he simply can't get them the ball. It's maddening. Timo should have an alley-oop a game. T

2.) I've never seen a PG lose his concentration as many times as he does. He'll be playing great and then just have 3 or 4 possessions in a row where he will dribble off his foot, have a couple entry passes tipped, take a contested outside shot with 20 seconds on the clock.

3.) For a PG he has very poor shot selection. He doesn't seem to understand momentum. Sometimes that contested three with 24 seconds left is a good shot. Sometimes you take it and you make it and you can really grab a hold of a game. Usually in those situations though, the air isn't let out of the building if you miss. Felton instead takes the three when the other team is making a run or when we have fallen apart. Unfortunately in those situations if you make it, it usually doesn't have much effect on momentum and if you miss it, it's a killer. Chandler does this a lot as well.

4.) Great at running the break. Too bad we don't have dominant rebounders that can get us out on the break

5.) pick and roll again. Most PG's come out of the womb being able to run the pick and roll. Some obviously are better then others, but I've never seen one as incompetent as he is. These guys are so open it's maddening. He also settles for the jumper too much instead of penetrating off the pick and roll, causing others to collapse and then kicking it out to an open shooter


LandryLove this guy. Just makes the right plays. Eventually I think should start having him run a few more pick and rolls. He's already one of the better rebounding two guards and his defense has been solid. His mistakes appear to be nothing more then rookie mistakes. I think he's eventually going to be a better player then Chandler. Maybe not teh scorer Chandler is, but a player that has more effect on the floor.

WilsonOne of the few guys I think that is doing his job so far. Playing great D, rebounding very well(when he's not a PF) and giving us instand O when we need it. My issues with him however are big ones. His shot selection is horrendous. He is a momentum killer with some of the shots he takes. Also he appears to be a affected by the virus that I've talked about so many times. He's used to losing. I don't think he likes it, but I think when things go bad he is one of the guys that just accepts it. Also, how can a guy this big not draw fouls

TD-Worst shot selection on the team. CAn't run the offense. If his shot is not dropping he kills us on offense with his shot selection. Go to the hoop man, stop settling for threes.

TuriafLove does not get 30 rebounds if he plays

Bill Walker-Must have done something wrong. No other way Mason should be getting minutes. He may be affected as well.

Mason-Might need to go to Europe to get his shot back

Randolph-I don't care how much potential he is, right now he is a bad player and is a poster boy for staying in school. As I've said before, I can live with the mistakes. I can live with the occassional poor shot. I can live with the ill advised dribble move in the paint. I can live with the missed open man. I cannot live with a guy with this much ability disappearing on the floor for minutes at a time. It's inexcusable.

Don't know if I'm missing anyone. But if I am.... F them.

Dantoni-when you see the same things crop up year after year then it is the coach. I don't blame D'Antoni for the quick contested threes becasue Phoenix didn't take those shots. I don't blame him for teh inability to run the pick and roll. I do blame D'Antoni for the teams energy collapses, lack of confidence in the fourth and the inability to get into some type of offensive flow when things go bad. To a point this is the PG's fault, but when your PG is not running the offense at crucial moments it is on you to take the responsibility from him and run a play every trip down if he has too. This team is full of poor decision makers and in that situation you cannot just let them go. As for the overall energy of the team. I think he's trying. I think we've seen some appropriate benchings but the team is still not responding. We saw this last year as well and only Nate responded. I would in no way consider firing D'Antoni at this point. You have to give him time, but over the course of the next few weeks, he is on the hot seat deservedly.

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11/15/2010  4:06 PM
Bippity10 wrote:LandryLove this guy. Just makes the right plays. Eventually I think should start having him run a few more pick and rolls. He's already one of the better rebounding two guards and his defense has been solid. His mistakes appear to be nothing more then rookie mistakes. I think he's eventually going to be a better player then Chandler. Maybe not teh scorer Chandler is, but a player that has more effect on the floor.

I think you need to rethink this line.

he is the second best rebounding SG in the league. Look it up: Per48 or just flat out per game. Amongst the likes of Wade, Kobe, etc.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/rebounds/sort/avg48Rebounds/position/shooting-guards
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/rebounds/sort/avgRebounds/position/shooting-guards

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11/15/2010  4:08 PM
martin wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:LandryLove this guy. Just makes the right plays. Eventually I think should start having him run a few more pick and rolls. He's already one of the better rebounding two guards and his defense has been solid. His mistakes appear to be nothing more then rookie mistakes. I think he's eventually going to be a better player then Chandler. Maybe not teh scorer Chandler is, but a player that has more effect on the floor.

I think you need to rethink this line.

he is the second best rebounding SG in the league. Look it up: Per48 or just flat out per game. Amongst the likes of Wade, Kobe, etc.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/rebounds/sort/avg48Rebounds/position/shooting-guards
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/rebounds/sort/avgRebounds/position/shooting-guards

Thanks, for correcting me, but if you ever do that again it will be your ass.

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11/15/2010  4:08 PM
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martin wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:LandryLove this guy. Just makes the right plays. Eventually I think should start having him run a few more pick and rolls. He's already one of the better rebounding two guards and his defense has been solid. His mistakes appear to be nothing more then rookie mistakes. I think he's eventually going to be a better player then Chandler. Maybe not teh scorer Chandler is, but a player that has more effect on the floor.

I think you need to rethink this line.

he is the second best rebounding SG in the league. Look it up: Per48 or just flat out per game. Amongst the likes of Wade, Kobe, etc.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/rebounds/sort/avg48Rebounds/position/shooting-guards
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/rebounds/sort/avgRebounds/position/shooting-guards

Thanks, for correcting me, but if you ever do that again it will be your ass.

f you

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11/15/2010  4:10 PM
martin wrote:
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martin wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:LandryLove this guy. Just makes the right plays. Eventually I think should start having him run a few more pick and rolls. He's already one of the better rebounding two guards and his defense has been solid. His mistakes appear to be nothing more then rookie mistakes. I think he's eventually going to be a better player then Chandler. Maybe not teh scorer Chandler is, but a player that has more effect on the floor.

I think you need to rethink this line.

he is the second best rebounding SG in the league. Look it up: Per48 or just flat out per game. Amongst the likes of Wade, Kobe, etc.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/rebounds/sort/avg48Rebounds/position/shooting-guards
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/rebounds/sort/avgRebounds/position/shooting-guards

Thanks, for correcting me, but if you ever do that again it will be your ass.

f you

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11/15/2010  4:11 PM
If you are gonna do an assessment you got to include the coach.
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11/15/2010  4:11 PM
Vmart wrote:If you are gonna do an assessment you got to include the coach.

Good point

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11/15/2010  4:19 PM
Bippity10 wrote:
Vmart wrote:If you are gonna do an assessment you got to include the coach.

Good point

Changes have been made, now don't ever correct me again you ingrate. From now on just enjoy my postings and keep your mouth closed.

Felton is definitely getting to me.

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11/15/2010  4:20 PM
Bippity10 wrote:
Vmart wrote:If you are gonna do an assessment you got to include the coach.

Good point

You really going to let Vmart talk to you like that?

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11/15/2010  4:25 PM
Very astute analysis. Now WTF are we gonna do about it?

Also, much as you might loathe doing it, you should add your $.02 re: Felton. Even though he doesn't suck, he's not making anyone else better. He's worse than Chris Do-little at the P&R, and just doesn't seem to be focused on maximizing the talents of our shooters, cutters, and P&R bigs. Please update your assessment.

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11/15/2010  4:26 PM
Bippity10 wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
Vmart wrote:If you are gonna do an assessment you got to include the coach.

Good point

Changes have been made, now don't ever correct me again you ingrate. From now on just enjoy my postings and keep your mouth closed.

Felton is definitely getting to me.

It's weird with Felton because he has skills but he just can't seem to make good decisions when he needs to make them quick, meaning in transition. He always seems to run into traffic, he frequently takes silly shots (I partially do blame this on the coaching staff because I was at the game and went an hour early and saw him working on moves to get him long distance Js with Dan D'Antoni) and isn't as athletic on defense as people make him out to be. For example. If he's pressing someone running at full speed and that ball handler just stops, it takes Felton a long time to step too, which gets the whole team in a lot of trouble. Meanwhile, Toney just stays with them no matter what. Yet if Toney gets beat, it's because he gambled and wasn't because of effort or lack of any athleticism.

It's been real tough with Felton, yet people wont alawys be so quick to jump on him because he DOES come up with numbers. Same with Amar'e, whos rebounding absolutely stinks.

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11/15/2010  4:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/15/2010  4:32 PM
Moonangie wrote:Very astute analysis. Now WTF are we gonna do about it?

Also, much as you might loathe doing it, you should add your $.02 re: Felton. Even though he doesn't suck, he's not making anyone else better. He's worse than Chris Do-little at the P&R, and just doesn't seem to be focused on maximizing the talents of our shooters, cutters, and P&R bigs. Please update your assessment.

I wrote about Felton in another thread and didn't want to do it here. I know, cut and paste!!! Now please ban yourself. You are an ingrate like the rest of them

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Andrew wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
Vmart wrote:If you are gonna do an assessment you got to include the coach.

Good point

You really going to let Vmart talk to you like that?

Why do I picture this when I think of Bip:

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11/15/2010  4:35 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
Vmart wrote:If you are gonna do an assessment you got to include the coach.

Good point

Changes have been made, now don't ever correct me again you ingrate. From now on just enjoy my postings and keep your mouth closed.

Felton is definitely getting to me.

It's weird with Felton because he has skills but he just can't seem to make good decisions when he needs to make them quick, meaning in transition. He always seems to run into traffic, he frequently takes silly shots (I partially do blame this on the coaching staff because I was at the game and went an hour early and saw him working on moves to get him long distance Js with Dan D'Antoni) and isn't as athletic on defense as people make him out to be. For example. If he's pressing someone running at full speed and that ball handler just stops, it takes Felton a long time to step too, which gets the whole team in a lot of trouble. Meanwhile, Toney just stays with them no matter what. Yet if Toney gets beat, it's because he gambled and wasn't because of effort or lack of any athleticism.

It's been real tough with Felton, yet people wont alawys be so quick to jump on him because he DOES come up with numbers. Same with Amar'e, whos rebounding absolutely stinks.

It's not just that his rebounding stinks, he's basically a lazy defender. He doesn't always box out his guy, he doesn't jump to grab the boards, if he sniffs a chance of getting beat he just let's his man have at it. He can talk all the smack he wants about his teams' effort, but if Stat won't hustle for rebounds, then he should STFU. Love pulled down 31 the other night with Amare guarding him much of the time.

Amare should lead by example, not whiny-ass statements to the media: "Pardon me, I'm just not used to this LOSING thing y'all do over here.

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11/15/2010  4:38 PM
Moonangie wrote:Very astute analysis. Now WTF are we gonna do about it?

Also, much as you might loathe doing it, you should add your $.02 re: Felton. Even though he doesn't suck, he's not making anyone else better. He's worse than Chris Do-little at the P&R, and just doesn't seem to be focused on maximizing the talents of our shooters, cutters, and P&R bigs. Please update your assessment.

Changes have been made. I hope you are happy, you just made my post longer. This was supposed to be the quick version

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11/15/2010  4:40 PM
Moonangie wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
Vmart wrote:If you are gonna do an assessment you got to include the coach.

Good point

Changes have been made, now don't ever correct me again you ingrate. From now on just enjoy my postings and keep your mouth closed.

Felton is definitely getting to me.

It's weird with Felton because he has skills but he just can't seem to make good decisions when he needs to make them quick, meaning in transition. He always seems to run into traffic, he frequently takes silly shots (I partially do blame this on the coaching staff because I was at the game and went an hour early and saw him working on moves to get him long distance Js with Dan D'Antoni) and isn't as athletic on defense as people make him out to be. For example. If he's pressing someone running at full speed and that ball handler just stops, it takes Felton a long time to step too, which gets the whole team in a lot of trouble. Meanwhile, Toney just stays with them no matter what. Yet if Toney gets beat, it's because he gambled and wasn't because of effort or lack of any athleticism.

It's been real tough with Felton, yet people wont alawys be so quick to jump on him because he DOES come up with numbers. Same with Amar'e, whos rebounding absolutely stinks.

It's not just that his rebounding stinks, he's basically a lazy defender. He doesn't always box out his guy, he doesn't jump to grab the boards, if he sniffs a chance of getting beat he just let's his man have at it. He can talk all the smack he wants about his teams' effort, but if Stat won't hustle for rebounds, then he should STFU. Love pulled down 31 the other night with Amare guarding him much of the time.

Amare should lead by example, not whiny-ass statements to the media: "Pardon me, I'm just not used to this LOSING thing y'all do over here.

Yeah, I know Amare is never going to be a great rebounder and I'm fine with that. But his rebounding should defintely go up over his career numbers. If you are a leader then you should recognize that this is a void of ours and hit the boards harder. Even if this affects your out of control offense, your numbers should go up

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11/15/2010  4:45 PM
Bippity10 wrote:
Moonangie wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
Vmart wrote:If you are gonna do an assessment you got to include the coach.

Good point

Changes have been made, now don't ever correct me again you ingrate. From now on just enjoy my postings and keep your mouth closed.

Felton is definitely getting to me.

It's weird with Felton because he has skills but he just can't seem to make good decisions when he needs to make them quick, meaning in transition. He always seems to run into traffic, he frequently takes silly shots (I partially do blame this on the coaching staff because I was at the game and went an hour early and saw him working on moves to get him long distance Js with Dan D'Antoni) and isn't as athletic on defense as people make him out to be. For example. If he's pressing someone running at full speed and that ball handler just stops, it takes Felton a long time to step too, which gets the whole team in a lot of trouble. Meanwhile, Toney just stays with them no matter what. Yet if Toney gets beat, it's because he gambled and wasn't because of effort or lack of any athleticism.

It's been real tough with Felton, yet people wont alawys be so quick to jump on him because he DOES come up with numbers. Same with Amar'e, whos rebounding absolutely stinks.

It's not just that his rebounding stinks, he's basically a lazy defender. He doesn't always box out his guy, he doesn't jump to grab the boards, if he sniffs a chance of getting beat he just let's his man have at it. He can talk all the smack he wants about his teams' effort, but if Stat won't hustle for rebounds, then he should STFU. Love pulled down 31 the other night with Amare guarding him much of the time.

Amare should lead by example, not whiny-ass statements to the media: "Pardon me, I'm just not used to this LOSING thing y'all do over here.

Yeah, I know Amare is never going to be a great rebounder and I'm fine with that. But his rebounding should defintely go up over his career numbers. If you are a leader then you should recognize that this is a void of ours and hit the boards harder. Even if this affects your out of control offense, your numbers should go up

Word. Rebounding is 90% positioning and effort, 10% jumping ability and strength. A leader would know that and do something about it. Nobody is asking him to grab 30rpg, but we ARE watching him play and his rebounding effort is pathetic. It's basic hoops to put your body between the other team's player and the ball so he has to foul you to get to it. THen jump for the ball or at least make it easier for one of your team mates to grab it.

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11/15/2010  4:47 PM
Bippity10 wrote:
Moonangie wrote:Very astute analysis. Now WTF are we gonna do about it?

Also, much as you might loathe doing it, you should add your $.02 re: Felton. Even though he doesn't suck, he's not making anyone else better. He's worse than Chris Do-little at the P&R, and just doesn't seem to be focused on maximizing the talents of our shooters, cutters, and P&R bigs. Please update your assessment.

Changes have been made. I hope you are happy, you just made my post longer. This was supposed to be the quick version

Much more complete analysis now that the Felton part is in. Thanks for finishing it.

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11/15/2010  4:48 PM
Moonangie wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
Moonangie wrote:Very astute analysis. Now WTF are we gonna do about it?

Also, much as you might loathe doing it, you should add your $.02 re: Felton. Even though he doesn't suck, he's not making anyone else better. He's worse than Chris Do-little at the P&R, and just doesn't seem to be focused on maximizing the talents of our shooters, cutters, and P&R bigs. Please update your assessment.

Changes have been made. I hope you are happy, you just made my post longer. This was supposed to be the quick version

Much more complete analysis now that the Felton part is in. Thanks for finishing it.

You know when I was writing this I was thinking to myself "I really hope that Moonagie is online today so I can get his thoughts on my team analysis". Thankfully you were online so my day is now complete

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11/15/2010  4:59 PM
Andrew wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
Vmart wrote:If you are gonna do an assessment you got to include the coach.

Good point

You really going to let Vmart talk to you like that?

I took care of it.

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