IMO I would trade them, the losing has been embeded in there minds and they play like it every game.
They were part of the losing culture, and should recieve the same fate David Lee got.

knicks1248 wrote:Make a nice bench, these guy's are not ready for the role's that have been givin to them. WC is coming off the bench already and has played well for streches, but he's essentially gets starter minute's (notice i said strectehs) he needs 22 to 25 minute a game.

IMO I would trade them, the losing has been embeded in there minds and they play like it every game.
They were part of the losing culture, and should recieve the same fate David Lee got.

Change of scenery will do them good, just as with Crawford, ZBo, Frye, Ariza so on. NY is to hard on any player and the fact that they have that its easier to lose than win mentality it will haunt the Knicks continuously. I agree with you. I'm OK for moving them to another team.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:TD looked like poop last game. Not just because he was missing shots but because he was missing open teammates while looking for his own shot. I guess that's just what toney douglas do though?

Defensively he looked acceptable.

I'm out of ideas as to what can be done to turn this team around.

Get Turiaf back into the rotation once he's healthy.
Hope Azubuike gets healthy and we can play TD less minutes.
Just frikking let Anthony Randolph play through his mistakes.

That's all I got.

Im not willing to let AR play through mistakes like not getting back taking bad shots or giving 100%. Ive seen that from him. I don't think its all his fault but there is culpability that stops with him.

BRIGGS wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:TD looked like poop last game. Not just because he was missing shots but because he was missing open teammates while looking for his own shot. I guess that's just what toney douglas do though?

Defensively he looked acceptable.

I'm out of ideas as to what can be done to turn this team around.

Get Turiaf back into the rotation once he's healthy.
Hope Azubuike gets healthy and we can play TD less minutes.
Just frikking let Anthony Randolph play through his mistakes.

That's all I got.

Im not willing to let AR play through mistakes like not getting back taking bad shots or giving 100%. Ive seen that from him. I don't think its all his fault but there is culpability that stops with him.

It's a tough call. Do you let AR play through his mistakes or instill a culture where minutes are EARNED?

My # 1 reason for letting AR play is that just from my observations we've been giving up a ton of 2nd chance points. Sometimes it's because we have 3 people looking to challenge/block a shot and it leaves no1 to box out.

Just took a look at the #s and we're 23rd out of 30 in rebounding rate.

Anthony Randolph makes stupid decisions. His effort/work ethic has been questioned in the past. He is a mediocre shooter who likes to shoot.

But he can rebound that ball.

Option 1: Teach him all that other stuff in practice and hope he can eventually earn increased playing time with improved shot selection and decision making.

Option 2: Throw him out there on the floor with a strict mandate of defending and rebounding. On offense tell him to move the F-ing ball and try to get putbacks or cut to the hoop and try to get fouled/finish. No crappy outside shots. Shoot the jumper if it comes to you, it's open and there's no time left on the shot clock.

BRIGGS wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:TD looked like poop last game. Not just because he was missing shots but because he was missing open teammates while looking for his own shot. I guess that's just what toney douglas do though?

Defensively he looked acceptable.

I'm out of ideas as to what can be done to turn this team around.

Get Turiaf back into the rotation once he's healthy.
Hope Azubuike gets healthy and we can play TD less minutes.
Just frikking let Anthony Randolph play through his mistakes.

That's all I got.

Im not willing to let AR play through mistakes like not getting back taking bad shots or giving 100%. Ive seen that from him. I don't think its all his fault but there is culpability that stops with him.

Missing a wide open Fields under the basket.

ANYONE on the team including Amare who isn't giving effort, bench em. Teams who've been losing for a decade and riding a 5 game losing streak can't have anyone not running back on D, boxing out, getting after loose balls etc.

Tariuf and bill walker are the only 2 players that continue to to fit the roles to perfection. In our three wins they were excellent.

The best thing mda can do is play tthese guys according to there Strength and not try to have them do more..he has to call more plays instead of letting felton/TD figure it out..when the play is defended your pgs just look to shoot right away...when the lead dissappears your players go 1 on 1...its the same thing year after year...he has to instill team basket ball at all cost I don't give a flying f***k if a player is piping hot.. pass the ball..no less then 3 guys should touch the rock on every half court set.

This may result in a over passing once I a while, but it gets the mind set to think team firrst.

knicks1248 wrote:The problem is the roles they are given is too much to handle. Askin TD to be a play maker after years of being a scorer is to much, aking AR to do anything more then rebounding and blocking shots is too much, asking gallo to be anything more then a spot up shooter with an occasional drive is too much, asking felton to run a PnR for more then 5 possesions a game is too much, asking chandler to defend pf or SG (gets abused in 1 on 1 situations) is too much asking Amare to create his shot and avg more the 8\9 rbs, is too much. Asking Mosgov to be a starting center in this system sorrounded by players who can't run (this guys sets a screen every single possession and is ignore for the most part) is too much..all mosgov knows is the PnR and that's how he plays.

Tariuf and bill walker are the only 2 players that continue to to fit the roles to perfection. In our three wins they were excellent.

The best thing mda can do is play tthese guys according to there Strength and not try to have them do more..he has to call more plays instead of letting felton/TD figure it out..when the play is defended your pgs just look to shoot right away...when the lead dissappears your players go 1 on 1...its the same thing year after year...he has to instill team basket ball at all cost I don't give a flying f***k if a player is piping hot.. pass the ball..no less then 3 guys should touch the rock on every half court set.

This may result in a over passing once I a while, but it gets the mind set to think team firrst.

I would see if I could pry Thompson away from Sac. I think fortunes could change with two skilled bigs playing at same time. Has worked for many winning teasm right now--NO Utah etc... both Thompsn(who can post) and Amare should do 50%--I think that would help the other guys out more than just spreading the floor. With two skilled mobile bigs--you cant put too much attention on that one guy.

holfresh wrote:Why stop there...Mozgov and Fields aren't starters either and I love Fields...

Very impressed by fields--steal of the draft and has earned the right to start. Hes the best % player we have believe it or not. He is shooting close to 60% rebounding playing D histling--thats the kind of guy you win with.

Mosgov needs work--we have too many guys who have games that are not mature to their potential.

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:Why stop there...Mozgov and Fields aren't starters either and I love Fields...

Very impressed by fields--steal of the draft and has earned the right to start. Hes the best % player we have believe it or not. He is shooting close to 60% rebounding playing D histling--thats the kind of guy you win with.

Mosgov needs work--we have too many guys who have games that are not mature to their potential.

He has earned his right to start where?...The guy is awesome but he isn't a starter on a good team...No team is going to win with 2 rooks in their starting lineup and one isn't named Patrick Ewing...

That said, its very easy to freelance when plays aren't run to you...Its a different story when they call your number....

For the Knicks, because that's the only team that matters in this discussion